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tony286 09-06-2008 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14715888)
Get a 5% pay raise - Obama will take it from you
Sell your house, Obama will take the profits from you
Invest in the market with what little money you have, Obama takes the profits from you
Die - and Obama takes over half of what you're leaving to your family...

Wrap all that money with a red ribbon - and ship it overseas!
Those W years with those tax cuts havent actually be all been golden.

Bama 09-06-2008 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14715892)
Those W years with those tax cuts havent actually be all been golden.
I agree with ya' there!

Read this tonight but have not checked the accuracy of it yet:

UPDATE: Career voting records: Currently, Senator Obama has voted 94 times to raise taxes. Senator McCain has NEVER voted to raise taxes.

Bama 09-06-2008 01:12 AM
I'm out for the night but I really enjoyed the debate by all!

Sleep well :)

tony286 09-06-2008 01:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14715908)
I agree with ya' there!

Read this tonight but have not checked the accuracy of it yet:

UPDATE: Career voting records: Currently, Senator Obama has voted 94 times to raise taxes. Senator McCain has NEVER voted to raise taxes.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._trickery.html

pocketkangaroo 09-06-2008 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14711041)
I would rather have her then Biden. Fuck even he stated he did not think Barack was experienced enough to be president.
Yes, the ultra-conservative lady who wanted books banned in a library is going to be just great for the adult industry. :1orglaugh

directfiesta 09-06-2008 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14715543)
You're certainly right about "if tests were required to vote most wouldn't qualify" and take a long look in the mirror when trying to figure out who'd fall into the 95% bracket.

Are you having trouble understanding that foreign aid and oil are 2 totally different things and one has very little to do with the other?

Please put your keyboard down and stop posting (on this or any other public format) until the sky in whatever world you're currently living in turns blue again.
:1orglaugh

The 700 billion you refered to is the figure put forward by Pickens about the transfer of wealth because of buying oil.... not foreign aid.

Thx for confirming being in the 95%.:thumbsup

Snake Doctor 09-06-2008 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14715888)
Get a 5% pay raise - Obama will take it from you
Sell your house, Obama will take the profits from you
Invest in the market with what little money you have, Obama takes the profits from you
Die - and Obama takes over half of what you're leaving to your family...

Wrap all that money with a red ribbon - and ship it overseas!
Bama, if you keep spouting out lies like "Obama has voted to raise taxes 94 times" then we're just going to put you on ignore brah.
I'm more than happy to debate the issues, but let's keep it real and not take our talking point directly from McCain radio commercials or Rush Limbaugh.

There haven't even been 94 votes on taxes since Obama has been in the Senate.

Go to factcheck.org, or politifact.com and check out the truth.
If everything I knew about Obama was stuff I'd heard from McCain, I probably wouldn't like him very much either.

Obama's tax proposals are as follows.
Income taxes on people making over 250K per year go back up to what they were under Bill Clinton.
Everyone else gets a tax cut.

Capital gains and dividend taxes will go back to what they were under Bill Clinton, but they will be indexed so that people who make less than 250K per year don't have to pay them.

The estate tax will remain, but will have between a 2 and 5 million exemption before a dime is paid. This means only a fraction of the top 1% of estates will be subject to the tax.


Maybe you like McCain's tax policies better, and that's fine, but you don't have to lie about what Obama would do or lie about his voting record. It doesn't make anyone here more likely to vote for your guy, it just makes you look silly.

Drake 09-06-2008 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14715840)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...3&tab=analysis

Jul 7, 2008 4:07 PM - CBO says this bill would cost less than $1mm/year to implement and there is no adverse effect to state, local gov'ts. Right wing blogs claim it will cost taxpayers $845 billion between now and 2015. What is the truth? - Read Answers
Answered by a visitor on Jul 16, 2008 7:55 PM - This is to fund the United Nations Millennium plan for global poverty. Our share would be .7% of our Gross National Product. This is where the $845 billion price tag comes from.
Answered by a visitor on Aug 30, 2008 1:59 PM - The 0.7% of our $13.8 Trillion GDP is $96.6 billion. This 0.7% number was established by members of the UN (including the US) 35 years ago and has been reaffirmed many times. In 2002 George Bush was at the Global Financing for Development conference in Monterrey, Mexico where he and other world leaders AGAIN reaffirmed this commitment to the UN. Yet the US still pays $65 billion less than our agreed commitment to the UN EACH YEAR. At that conference President Bush stated that reducing global poverty will reduce terrorism. No one disputes that, so it is unclear why he and our congress have restricted these funds to the UN. This bipatisan Obama-Lugar bill simply asks the Senate to acknowlege our commitment and enable the government to honor that commitment. If for no other reason, because (as President Bush pointed out in Monterey), reducing world poverty is one of our most valuable weapons against terrorism worldwide. The House version was passed last year. It is unclear why the Republican majority in the Senate has not voted on this bill.
Both parties go on about alleviating poverty worldwide. What I don't understand is that they don't solve the problems by giving rogue governments billions of dollars. All these initiatives seem like squandered funds.

Not only do charitable organizations ensure that money gets to where it's needed, Americans give many more billions in donations than government foreign aid.

"U.S. foreign aid from private sources totaled $71.2 billion in 2004, a sum more than 3 times greater than the foreign aid the U.S. government provided that year" - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-110443-6013r/

"Americans increased their charitable donations significantly in 2006 to more than $295 billion -- a record, according to a study released June 25 by the Giving USA Foundation, which reports on charitable contributions." - http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-e...0.8012354.html

"In 2005, Americans donated more than $95 billion to the developing world. That isalmost four times what the U.S. government gives in foreign aid and many times morethan what Europeans give in public and private donations, according to a study by theHudson Institute, to be released next month." - http://72.14.205.104/custom?q=cache:...n&ct=clnk&cd=1

Bama 09-06-2008 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14717087)
Maybe you like McCain's tax policies better, and that's fine, but you don't have to lie about what Obama would do or lie about his voting record. It doesn't make anyone here more likely to vote for your guy, it just makes you look silly.
Hey Snake, I prefaced the link with "Read this tonight but have not checked the accuracy of it yet"

I never ever said it was a fact. I work smart, not hard. I pose the question and let others do the research to prove/disprove the statements made in the link :)

Morning Folks!

Snake Doctor 09-06-2008 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14715888)
I never ever said it was a fact. I work smart, not hard. I pose the question and let others do the research to prove/disprove the statements made in the link :)

Morning Folks!
That's pretty stupid man.

You come into a political debate and make assertions when you don't know whether or not they're true, and then you say you expect other people to do research to prove or disprove what you say....how can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, and why would anyone want to have a discussion with you?

I'm done here....last post from me in this thread.

dav3 09-06-2008 02:36 PM
Saw this on quote of the day, in my goog/ig, and figured it was quite fitting.

Quote:
In America, through pressure of conformity, there is freedom of choice, but nothing to choose from.
- Peter Ustinov

Bama 09-06-2008 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14717834)
That's pretty stupid man.
You come into a political debate and make assertions when you don't know whether or not they're true, and then you say you expect other people to do research to prove or disprove what you say....how can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, and why would anyone want to have a discussion with you?

I'm done here....last post from me in this thread.
The only assertion I made was that I read that quote from a visited website. The owner of the page I read it from made the assertion. Realize the difference dude.

I don't have the time to go through all of Obama's voting history and made clear that I hadn't checked the accuracy of the statement. I got what I wanted by making the post - to put a few Democrats to work verifying the accuracy for me. :1orglaugh

Now that you're done posting in the thread, that will free up some of you time.
http://www.opencongress.org/people/v...9_barack_obama

Go through them all and report back to me. :321GFY

Drake 09-06-2008 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama (Post 14717894)
The only assertion I made was that I read that quote from a visited website. The owner of the page I read it from made the assertion. Realize the difference dude.

I don't have the time to go through all of Obama's voting history and made clear that I hadn't checked the accuracy of the statement. I got what I wanted by making the post - to put a few Democrats to work verifying the accuracy for me. :1orglaugh

Now that you're done posting in the thread, that will free up some of you time.
http://www.opencongress.org/people/v...9_barack_obama

Go through them all and report back to me. :321GFY
Fact-checking the speech you found inspiring:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html

directfiesta 11-05-2008 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14710543)
what a great speech
yep, pretty much on the dot ... as usual ....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ninavain 11-05-2008 07:01 PM
:thumbsup:thumbsup
Quote:
Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 15011940)
yep, pretty much on the dot ... as usual ....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fresh 11-05-2008 07:05 PM
f a i l

uno 11-05-2008 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fresh (Post 15012431)
f a i l
Oh man I could not even wait for this day.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

robfantasy 11-05-2008 07:12 PM
fuck obama and fuck mccain

fuck liberal and fuck conservatism

fuck black and fuck white

fuck democrat and fuck republican


politics is a circus to create an illusion of power


hopefully now the american idiots will start waking up and realize that there is no such thing as change when you put all of your responsibility in someone elses hands

uno 11-05-2008 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 15012455)
fuck obama and fuck mccain

fuck liberal and fuck conservatism

fuck black and fuck white

fuck democrat and fuck republican


politics is a circus to create an illusion of power


hopefully now the american idiots will start waking up and realize that there is no such thing as change when you put all of your responsibility in someone elses hands
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Whatever you need to believe to get through the day man. Your fantasy world no longer and can no longer exist. Welcome to reality.

robfantasy 11-05-2008 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by uno (Post 15012516)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Whatever you need to believe to get through the day man. Your fantasy world no longer and can no longer exist. Welcome to reality.
which reality?

_Richard_ 11-05-2008 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 15012455)
fuck obama and fuck mccain

fuck liberal and fuck conservatism

fuck black and fuck white

fuck democrat and fuck republican


politics is a circus to create an illusion of power


hopefully now the american idiots will start waking up and realize that there is no such thing as change when you put all of your responsibility in someone elses hands
good point

StuartD 11-05-2008 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 15012455)
fuck obama and fuck mccain

fuck liberal and fuck conservatism

fuck black and fuck white

fuck democrat and fuck republican


politics is a circus to create an illusion of power


hopefully now the american idiots will start waking up and realize that there is no such thing as change when you put all of your responsibility in someone elses hands
Oh but if McCain had won by the same margins, the election would have been perfect! :1orglaugh

mozadek 11-05-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14710543)
what a great speech
Nice prediction Nostradamus


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