Obama & McCain v.The Issues

[CheeseFrog]

Here's a list of the voting records of McCain and Obama for you guys to reference. Please feel free to add any relevant ones you may have as this may not be a complete list.

Abortion

John McCain:

• Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
• Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
• Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
• Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
• Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
• Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
• Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
• Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
• Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
• Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
• Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Budget and Economy

John McCain:

• Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
• Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
• Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
• Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs? effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
• Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

Civil Rights:

John McCain:

• Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
• Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
• Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
• Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
• Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
• Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
• Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
• Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
• Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Corporations

John McCain:

• Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
• Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
• Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)

Crime

John McCain:

• Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
• Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
• Voted NO on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
• Voted YES on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)
• Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
• Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)

Drugs

John McCain:

• Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)

Barack Obama:

No official voting record

Education

John McCain:

• Voted NO on $52M for ?21st century community learning centers?. (Oct 2005)
• Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
• Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
• Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
• Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
• Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
• Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
• Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
• Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on $52M for ?21st century community learning centers?. (Oct 2005)
• Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
• Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

Energy and Oil

John McCain:

• Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska?s ANWR. (Nov 2005)
• Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
• Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
• Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
• Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
• Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
• Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
• Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
• Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
• Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
• Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
• Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)

[CheeseFrog]

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
• Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska?s ANWR. (Nov 2005)
• Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
• Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
• Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)

Environment

John McCain:

• Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
• Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
• Voted YES on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
• Voted NO on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
• Voted NO on continuing desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
• Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)

Families and Children

John McCain:

• Voted YES on killing restrictions on violent videos to minors. (May 1999)

Barack Obama:

No official voting record

Foreign Policy

John McCain:

• Voted NO on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
• Voted YES on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
• Voted YES on limiting the President?s power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
• Voted NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
• Voted YES on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)
• Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
• Voted YES on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)

Barack Obama:

No official voting record

Free Trade

John McCain:

• Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
• Voted YES on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
• Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
• Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
• Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
• Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
• Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
• Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
• Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
• Voted YES on renewing ?fast track? presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
• Voted NO on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

Government Reform

John McCain:

• Voted NO on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
• Voted YES on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
• Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
• Voted YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
• Voted YES on banning ?soft money? contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
• Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
• Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
• Voted NO on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
• Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
• Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
• Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
• Voted NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
• Voted YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)

Gun Control

John McCain:

• Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
• Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
• Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

Health Care

John McCain:

• Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
• Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
• Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
• Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
• Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
• Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
• Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
• Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
• Voted YES on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
• Voted NO on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
• Voted NO on blocking medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
• Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
• Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
• Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)

Homeland Security

[CheeseFrog]

Homeland Security

John McCain:

• Voted NO on limiting soldiers? deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
• Voted NO on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
• Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
• Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
• Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act?s wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
• Voted NO on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
• Voted NO on restoring $565M for states? and ports? first responders. (Mar 2005)
• Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
• Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
• Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
• Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
• Voted NO on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
• Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
• Voted YES on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
• Voted NO on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
• Voted YES on limiting soldiers? deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
• Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
• Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
• Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
• Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
• Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act?s wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
• Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
• Voted YES on restoring $565M for states? and ports? first responders. (Mar 2005)

Immigration

John McCain:

• Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
• Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
• Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
• Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
• Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
• Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
• Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared ?sanctuary cities?. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
• Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
• Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
• Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
• Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)

[CheeseFrog]

Jobs

John McCain:

• Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
• Voted NO on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
• Voted YES on repealing Clinton?s ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
• Voted YES on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
• Voted YES on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
• Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
• Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)

Principles and Values

John McCain:

• Voted with Republican Party 87.3% of 165 votes. (Sep 2007)
• Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
• Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
• Voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)

Social Security

John McCain:

• Voted YES on using the Social Security Surplus to fund tax reductions. (Jul 1999)
• Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
• Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
• Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
• Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)

Barack Obama:

• Voted NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security. (Mar 2007)

Tax Reform

John McCain:

• Voted against Bush tax cuts for not reining in spending. (May 2007)
• Voted YES on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
• Voted YES on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
• Voted YES on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
• Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
• Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
• Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
• Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
• Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
• Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
• Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
• Voted YES on eliminating the ?marriage penalty?. (Jul 2000)
• Voted YES on phasing out the estate tax (?death tax?). (Jul 2000)
• Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
• Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
• Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
• Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
• Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
• Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
• Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
• Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
• Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)

Technology

John McCain:

• Voted NO on restoring $550M in funding for Amtrak for 2007. (Mar 2006)
• Voted NO on disallowing FCC approval of larger media conglomerates. (Sep 2003)
• Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
• Voted NO on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)

Barack Obama:

No official voting record

War and Peace

John McCain:

• Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
• Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
• Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
• Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
• Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
• Voted NO on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999)
• Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
• Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)

Barack Obama:

• Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
• Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
• Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)

Welfare and Poverty

John McCain:

• Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
• Voted NO on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
• Voted YES on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
• Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)

Barack Obama:

No official voting record

[Paul Markham]

Saw a part of his acceptance speech last night on how he was going to combat so many of the problems America has. Did not tell us how but I'm sure he knows how and was not just spouting off to please the crowd.

But then this opens up the question of if he knows how it should be done he should of told Bush sometime or maybe he did and the policies he has do not work or Bush ignored them.

Telling the people what you want to do is easy, coming up with a plan to do it that works is the tough part. I'm not interested in what he or Obama want to do, I want to hear how they are going to do it. Or at least give the impression they have a clue.

My one fear is Obama will be another Carter and we do not need someone like him in power in the US today. On the other hand McCain might be another Bush and that would be worse.

[BobG]

https://donate.barackobama.com/changevideo

[CheeseFrog]

Weird... I thought a thread about facts of the two candidates would be more popular

[GigoloShawn]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

Weird... I thought a thread about facts of the two candidates would be more popular

You weren't just mindlessly spouting drivel. It takes a bit of an ability to store, recall, and compare to use the information you provided; not to mention a bit of fact checking for those who disagree.

..I'm not done with all of it, myself, but you didn't really put a spin on it, so you already lost everyone's interest. Welcome to the wide, wonderful world of the group blog that is GFY.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Saw a part of his acceptance speech last night on how he was going to combat so many of the problems America has. Did not tell us how but I'm sure he knows how and was not just spouting off to please the crowd.

But then this opens up the question of if he knows how it should be done he should of told Bush sometime or maybe he did and the policies he has do not work or Bush ignored them.

Telling the people what you want to do is easy, coming up with a plan to do it that works is the tough part. I'm not interested in what he or Obama want to do, I want to hear how they are going to do it. Or at least give the impression they have a clue.

My one fear is Obama will be another Carter and we do not need someone like him in power in the US today. On the other hand McCain might be another Bush and that would be worse.

That is the key to politics. You tell people what you want to do, but not exactly how you will do it. That way when you don't do it you can blame a lot of people other than yourself for it not happening. If you call out exactly how you are going to do something then people could see how you failed when you didn't and you would have to shoulder the blame. A great example of this is Bush Sr. when he said during his campaign, "read my lips, no new taxes." Then when he created new taxes he got hammered for it and he lost his re-election.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

Weird... I thought a thread about facts of the two candidates would be more popular

It would be if you didn't have so much crap on it. First of al you just can say so and so voted yes or no on a bill. Bills are more complicated than that so you either are too stupid to know that or are just trying to manipulate the facts. Secondly whoever becomes President is not longer in Congress and thus no longer gets to vote onbills. So their influence in that is gone. President can only veto or sign a bill. Does it help McCain or the GOP if he becomes President and his replacement in the Senate winds up being a Democrat? Um...no.

McCain can say he will do this or that. McCain can't do shit. CONGRESS passes the bills not the President. McCain can say he wants to ge rid of the "death tax" well guess what that's only going to happen if CONGRESS decides to pass such a bill. Considering it's controlled by the Dems I'd say that chance is ZERO. Unless the Repubs take over Congress durring his final two years how much of what McCain says he's going to do is actually going to get done? So I'm dubious of what ANY candidate says he or she is going to do. Obama has a better chance because his party will control Congress. Of course Hillary will still be in the Senate and her and her supporters in Congress are backing Obama for NOW, doesn't mean once he's in the White House they will play ball with him. Revenge is a bitch.

[CheeseFrog]

Originally Posted by GatorB

It would be if you didn't have so much crap on it. First of al you just can say so and so voted yes or no on a bill.

I'm not sure how much more simple it could have been posted. It's even broken down by color. Sorry, I'll try to dumb it down a bit for you next time.

[CheeseFrog]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Bills are more complicated than that so you either are too stupid to know that or are just trying to manipulate the facts. Secondly whoever becomes President is not longer in Congress and thus no longer gets to vote onbills. So their influence in that is gone. President can only veto or sign a bill. Does it help McCain or the GOP if he becomes President and his replacement in the Senate winds up being a Democrat? Um...no.

Ohhhh so that's how a bill works! I must have missed the day it was being taught in 3rd grade. Thanks for explaining it for us stupid people!

[Sarah_Jayne]

I found that an interesting read and thought it was laid out well. I think you did it well. Nothing wrong with showing things and just letting people interpret them for themselves through their own values filter.

[CheeseFrog]

Thankyou! That's all I was trying to do...

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

Thankyou! That's all I was trying to do...

Um, there is way more to each of those bills and why they voted the way they did. Too simple is correct. You left out what you wanted to make who you liked look better.

[Robbie]

Nice work CheeseFrog.
The overwhelming thing I got from it is...Obama doesn't vote a lot in the Senate.

Not that it's a bad thing. I'm of the notion that the LESS those fuckers do in Washington the better. They already run every facet of our lives and make us pay the bill for the privilege of living like sheep. Less is definitely more for me when it comes to government.

[CheeseFrog]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Um, there is way more to each of those bills and why they voted the way they did. Too simple is correct. You left out what you wanted to make who you liked look better.

Please feel free to add any relevant ones you may have as this may not be a complete list.

That means expand on the bills if you want. There's a 10K character limit per post, so a brief synopsis of each bill was all that would fit. If there's one that you think is clearly misrepresented in the descriptor in the OPs, then by all means fill us all in. Did you have any particulars in mind?

[gornyhuy]

Thanks man - unless this is sort of 'filtered' or cherry picked, its a great breakdown of non-hype facts about the choices here.

Some of it has to be taken with a grain of salt because maybe they were other issues tied to the bills they were voting for, pork barrel stuff, etc.

[gornyhuy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nice work CheeseFrog.
The overwhelming thing I got from it is...Obama doesn't vote a lot in the Senate.

Not that it's a bad thing. I'm of the notion that the LESS those fuckers do in Washington the better. They already run every facet of our lives and make us pay the bill for the privilege of living like sheep. Less is definitely more for me when it comes to government.

Its not that he doesn't vote a lot, its that McCain has been there for like 25 years longer.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Its not that he doesn't vote a lot, its that McCain has been there for like 25 years longer.

Yeah, look at the dates and it show you many of McCain's votes listed were prior to Obama taking up his position.