Which is worse for McCain? His new VP, or a hurricane leveling New Orleans and - GoFuckYourself.com

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:20 PM

Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

Shamus McFamous · 08-29-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

Isn't it droves?

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-29-2008, 07:23 PM

oh snap....

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 07:23 PM

Cory has a point.

After Shock Media · 08-29-2008, 07:24 PM

I think things can go wrong in both droves and groves.

Will there be an orchard at the RNC?

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Cory has a point.

And a low vocabulary to boot!

But all the same, this is just bad. Long ways to go though.

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I think things can go wrong in both droves and groves.

Will there be an orchard at the RNC?

It's regional : )

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:28 PM

I think tomorrow if it's dead on for New Orleans, they have to move it.

I would think the preparation alone on that would warrant the need for time.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-29-2008, 07:48 PM

The Democrats seem pretty pissed off with McCain's choice of Sarah Palin...

I love it!

mynameisjim · 08-29-2008, 07:54 PM

Could be helpful. If he postpones his Convention and they spin it by saying he's taking a political hit in order to help people, it could make him look like a great guy. It's all how they spin it.

Not to mention, the later you have your convention, the better.

Could go either way.

mikeyddddd · 08-29-2008, 07:57 PM

I think it would help McCain if he sent his new VP to New Orleans to be leveled by a hurricane.

She'd be a martyr; he'd get sympathy rather than being embarrassed.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

By move, you mean the date?

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Could be helpful. If he postpones his Convention and they spin it by saying he's taking a political hit in order to help people, it could make him look like a great guy. It's all how they spin it.

Not to mention, the later you have your convention, the better.

Could go either way.

Yeah, for sure. But I say tomorrow, if the line is still on New Orleans, post-pone. Take no chances. Only thing is, I think their is a hurricane right behind this one.

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

By move, you mean the date?

Yeah, the date. Extend it.

I'm saying if the Hurricane hits NO, they not only lose attention, but it would look bad and bring back bad memories....

At least from my perspective.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Yeah, the date. Extend it.

I'm saying if the Hurricane hits NO, they not only lose attention, but it would look bad and bring back bad memories....

At least from my perspective.

I don't see that happening.

GetSCORECash · 08-29-2008, 08:02 PM

The media won't even cover the Convention... It's the perfect scenerio for Obama.

McCain, will lose all the buzz from the Sarah VP hipe.

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

And a low vocabulary to boot!

But all the same, this is just bad. Long ways to go though.

A low vocabulary?

marketsmart · 08-29-2008, 08:28 PM

i like oranges and confetti pie...

seeric · 08-29-2008, 08:28 PM

the media will be focused on new orleans being owned by another hurricane and the nation will care more about that. this is crushing for RNC. they gotta postpone. that storm is dead on towards new orleans. i really hope that it fizzles once its over cuba and downgrades, but the hurricane centers are saying that the water is way warmer and that is going to fuel it when it gets into the gulf. this could be really bad. like really bad.

spacedog · 08-29-2008, 08:34 PM

It was in the news days ago that they will postpone the RNC and are keeping their eye on the storm prior to announcing it.

One of the reasons for postponing is due to the fact that if Gustav hits New Orleans, Bush will need to remain in Washington and he was scheduled to speak at the RNC.

The other reason was due to suggestion by McCain whom did not want to be insensitive to the people of New Orleans and out of respect for them he wanted to postpone.

Fire · 08-29-2008, 08:56 PM

If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

Actually I read somewhere they aren't any better prepared than they were 3 yrs ago. I hope you are right, those poor people.

seeric · 08-29-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

i am guessing you live in N.O. or at least Louisiana. If it comes your way good luck to you and leave early enough to get as far inland as possible.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

It was in the news days ago that they will postpone the RNC and are keeping their eye on the storm prior to announcing it.

One of the reasons for postponing is due to the fact that if Gustav hits New Orleans, Bush will need to remain in Washington and he was scheduled to speak at the RNC.

The other reason was due to suggestion by McCain whom did not want to be insensitive to the people of New Orleans and out of respect for them he wanted to postpone.

Has been a busy week. I had heard none of that. I think the only reason I knew there was a hurricane is from a thread title here.

That being said, I have to take it back. The VP choice will hurt him more than a hurricane.

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Originally Posted by Fire

If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

notoldschool · 08-29-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

Most of the people couldnt get out there in time high speed and does it really matter. I know how fast our military can organize a movement and it was disgusting to watch helpless people die while Bush and our goverment sat on their hands. Its all about responding and our troops are quick to be sent in harms way for no reason but god forbid they can help save some of our own. Its a sad day when Hollywood actors like Sean Penn are quicker to react than our own goverment.

You come off as a real asshole trying to justify such grostesque actions.

Cory W · 08-29-2008, 09:17 PM

Looks like they are now running the possibility of back-to-back canes. Wow.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Most of the people couldnt get out there in time high speed and does it really matter. I know how fast our military can organize a movement and it was disgusting to watch helpless people die while Bush and our goverment sat on their hands. Its all about responding and our troops are quick to be sent in harms way for no reason but god forbid they can help save some of our own. Its a sad day when Hollywood actors like Sean Penn are quicker to react than our own goverment.

You come off as a real asshole trying to justify such grostesque actions.

The Feds can't just come rushing in without being asked by the State. It is the State's fault that things took so long.

ninavain · 08-29-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The Democrats seem pretty pissed off with McCain's choice of Sarah Palin...

I love it!

I'm glad you love it..because McCain just gave the DEMS the White house and I thank you

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 10:07 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1
sounds like word games were played.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1
sounds like word games were played.

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There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to get involved, they must first be asked to do so by state officials.

As one FEMA official told ABC News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco failed to submit a request for help in a timely manner.

I still haven't figured out why everyone wants to blame the feds. Every time we have a major earthquake, or wild fires, or other natural disaster, the first thing we here is that fed assistance has been requested and granted. That shit is immediate.

The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time.

TheDoc · 08-29-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

Would you like them to hop on the 4 bikes and 1 car they own and drive away like you can?

It appears you haven't witnessed first hand what really being poor in this Country can be like.

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I still haven't figured out why everyone wants to blame the feds. Every time we have a major earthquake, or wild fires, or other natural disaster, the first thing we here is that fed assistance has been requested and granted. That shit is immediate.

The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time.

like I said word games :
Shortly before Katrina hit, she sent President Bush a request asking for shelter and provisions, but didn't specifically ask for help with evacuations. One aide to the governor told ABC News today Blanco thought city officials were taking care of the evacuation.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Would you like them to hop on the 4 bikes and 1 car they own and drive away like you can?

It appears you haven't witnessed first hand what really being poor in this Country can be like.

Isn't it the responsibility of the local government to help them get out? I seem to recall hearing a lot of, "I haven't left for one yet" and other similar responses.

TheDoc · 08-29-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Isn't it the responsibility of the local government to help them get out? I seem to recall hearing a lot of, "I haven't left for one yet" and other similar responses.

When the local government is properly funded, but again those aren't towns that you would say are locally funded.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

like I said word games :
Shortly before Katrina hit, she sent President Bush a request asking for shelter and provisions, but didn't specifically ask for help with evacuations. One aide to the governor told ABC News today Blanco thought city officials were taking care of the evacuation.

gotta link?

Drake · 08-29-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time.

Agreed...

TheDoc · 08-29-2008, 10:25 PM

So you expect, a state, which doesn't have a federally funded emergency plan with funds sent to them for evacuations, an entire fleet of buses on hand and ready, and just the overall hardcore damage that was done, again you expect a state which is not funded for that to just all the sudden, do it?

But the Gov, which has a Federally funded program that does exactly this, which took days to respond, isn't the one that dropped the ball?

Actually, that sounds like a kick ass idea. Wow, and think of all the Obama tax knocking going on. Sure, California, Florida, and so on.. They should pay for it and by doing so you should be taxed out the balls..... or you can just let the Fed Gov pay for it and allow the entire Country to suck it up.

Fire · 08-29-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Actually I read somewhere they aren't any better prepared than they were 3 yrs ago. I hope you are right, those poor people.

They are better prepared to get the people out that really cant get themselves out and they are not foolish enough to set up shelter in an area that can be flooded. There are no shelters of last resort in the city of New Orleans (i.e. the SuperDome).

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i am guessing you live in N.O. or at least Louisiana. If it comes your way good luck to you and leave early enough to get as far inland as possible.

Yes, new orleans and I'll be here for the duration.

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Originally Posted by baddog

You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

I don't put all the blame on Bush even though that seems to be very unpopular over here.
In fact, I don't put any blame on him. Before Katrina politicians didn't know shit about emergency management or Incident Command. Most probably still don't but maybe they are learning.

As far as the residents being smarter or hanging out.. who knows. There are some that seem destined to stay saying "it cant happen again this soon". There are others that have left already. And there will be others that claim they couldn't afford it while they sit at their government subsidized housing with a $50,000 vehicle and $3,000 rims to make it look cool.

However it goes, I'll be waiting here ready to go to work if need be.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

When the local government is properly funded, but again those aren't towns that you would say are locally funded.

hmmm, you would think with all the tourism.

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

gotta link?

the same link I gave before its two pages

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

However it goes, I'll be waiting here ready to go to work if need be.

I seem to recall your nick gives a hint as to your real life. If so, good luck.

EmpireAutopilot · 08-29-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The Democrats seem pretty pissed off with McCain's choice of Sarah Palin...

I love it!

Pissed off, are you fucking kidding? Every woman I've asked in person sees it for the bullshit pandering that it is. Not only that, McCain will now have nowhere to take his inexperience argument.

TheDoc · 08-29-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

hmmm, you would think with all the tourism.

Dude, have you ever been to that part of the country? Tourism, isn't something they thrive off of. One City, having a street and a few events, doesn't count as Tourism for an entire bi-state region.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

the same link I gave before its two pages

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1

Sorry, I missed that paragraph. So she put the cart before the horse.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Dude, have you ever been to that part of the country? Tourism, isn't something they thrive off of. One City, having a street and a few events, doesn't count as Tourism for an entire bi-state region.

Yeah, a couple times. I hate N.O. so try to avoid if possible. So what is your solution? The feds should just foreclose on LA and MS

tony286 · 08-29-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

They are better prepared to get the people out that really cant get themselves out and they are not foolish enough to set up shelter in an area that can be flooded. There are no shelters of last resort in the city of New Orleans (i.e. the SuperDome).

Yes, new orleans and I'll be here for the duration.

I don't put all the blame on Bush even though that seems to be very unpopular over here.
In fact, I don't put any blame on him. Before Katrina politicians didn't know shit about emergency management or Incident Command. Most probably still don't but maybe they are learning.

As far as the residents being smarter or hanging out.. who knows. There are some that seem destined to stay saying "it cant happen again this soon". There are others that have left already. And there will be others that claim they couldn't afford it while they sit at their government subsidized housing with a $50,000 vehicle and $3,000 rims to make it look cool.

However it goes, I'll be waiting here ready to go to work if need be.

I hope every thing works out and I wish you the best.

Fire · 08-29-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I seem to recall your nick gives a hint as to your real life. If so, good luck.

That is true.. and I'm sure you can guess which city.. anyway thanks.

baddog · 08-29-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

That is true.. and I'm sure you can guess which city.. anyway thanks.

You know the cop that hangs at JBM? If not, should hunt him down. Nice guy.

Fire · 08-29-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Dude, have you ever been to that part of the country? Tourism, isn't something they thrive off of. One City, having a street and a few events, doesn't count as Tourism for an entire bi-state region.

Don't know what part of the country you are talking about but New Orleans does thrive off of tourism.

TheDoc · 08-29-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yeah, a couple times. I hate N.O. so try to avoid if possible. So what is your solution? The feds should just foreclose on LA and MS

You don't blame the people, and you don't blame a state that had no idea what was going to happen. You don't blame Bush either, but it's just fine to blame FIMA.

I don't know what to do with it, really. Maybe you do get the states to start a rebuilding-funding program. Maybe it's fed funded, maybe shared across the damage states or something.

Whatever it is it has to be done a tiny bit better than it is for some states, while others seem to have other funds in place to assist with such problems. So it's clearly not equal from state to state.

Either way, it's not Mexico, we can't just build a wall and ignore the entire area.

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Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	I think tomorrow if it's dead on for New Orleans, they have to move it. I would think the preparation alone on that would warrant the need for time. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

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mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Could be helpful. If he postpones his Convention and they spin it by saying he's taking a political hit in order to help people, it could make him look like a great guy. It's all how they spin it. Not to mention, the later you have your convention, the better. Could go either way. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	the media will be focused on new orleans being owned by another hurricane and the nation will care more about that. this is crushing for RNC. they gotta postpone. that storm is dead on towards new orleans. i really hope that it fizzles once its over cuba and downgrades, but the hurricane centers are saying that the water is way warmer and that is going to fuel it when it gets into the gulf. this could be really bad. like really bad.

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spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	It was in the news days ago that they will postpone the RNC and are keeping their eye on the storm prior to announcing it. One of the reasons for postponing is due to the fact that if Gustav hits New Orleans, Bush will need to remain in Washington and he was scheduled to speak at the RNC. The other reason was due to suggestion by McCain whom did not want to be insensitive to the people of New Orleans and out of respect for them he wanted to postpone.

08-29-2008, 08:56 PM	#21
Fire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 486	If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1 sounds like word games were played.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	So you expect, a state, which doesn't have a federally funded emergency plan with funds sent to them for evacuations, an entire fleet of buses on hand and ready, and just the overall hardcore damage that was done, again you expect a state which is not funded for that to just all the sudden, do it? But the Gov, which has a Federally funded program that does exactly this, which took days to respond, isn't the one that dropped the ball? Actually, that sounds like a kick ass idea. Wow, and think of all the Obama tax knocking going on. Sure, California, Florida, and so on.. They should pay for it and by doing so you should be taxed out the balls..... or you can just let the Fed Gov pay for it and allow the entire Country to suck it up. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation