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Pleasurepays · 08-21-2008, 08:54 AM

50 delusional and deranged lunatics

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Something most of you do not realize... I was one of the first people to monitize tubes

uhmm...yeah.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-21-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

You have a way of touching the tubesite owners overseas?

As far as I know the torrent and large illegal tubesites are all outside the US. How do you reach them?

Or are you talking about going after them indirectly? As in cutting off their funding. Going after hosts and the people that pay them?

Give us an idea of what you are thinking here. No one is just going to throw money your way or put time into helping you unless you give some preview to your plan.

ITs hard to take this serious or give it serious consideration.

Let me know.

We do not have to touch the overseas tube site owners... We can as you suggested cut off there funding and resources.... The one main resource is the uploaders... That is who we are going to go after the hardest... And who is most liable!!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-21-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

50 delusional and deranged lunatics

uhmm...yeah.

spacedog · 08-21-2008, 08:00 PM

LOL

You flip flopped.

Sands · 08-21-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

why start or stop with porn? why not just take on Darfur? human rights in China? North Korea? Iran... or radical Islam? seriously!

Focus your misguided bravado, delusions of grandeur and over inflated sense of self importance on making the world a better place and saving lives! End world hunger... Stop AIDS... cure cancer... stop global warming... invent new forms of energy to replace oil.. colonize Mars!

Seriously. apparently all you need is a forum... a dipshit at the wheel and a "secret plan" to rally other dipshits... and the world is yours.

Are you insinuating that I'm a dipshit because I want to hear the guy out?

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-21-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Are you insinuating that I'm a dipshit because I want to hear the guy out?

Don't pay attention to that guy...

Pay attention here... https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/849592-fucking-plan-fuck-post14644263.html

Pleasurepays · 08-22-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Are you insinuating that I'm a dipshit because I want to hear the guy out?

well... when we are all sitting on a commercial jet and the biggest idiot on the plane jumps up and announces he wants to fly it... you can "listen" all you want. some on the other hand, might encourage a few tough questions and demand some solid answers before telling the pilot to step aside.

but thats just me

TheDoc · 08-22-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

We do not have to touch the overseas tube site owners... We can as you suggested cut off there funding and resources.... The one main resource is the uploaders... That is who we are going to go after the hardest... And who is most liable!!

If you can't touch the International Tubes, how are you going to get the upload records?

Do you really think all these Tubes took user uploaded content? You can't really be that slow.

What do you do about the international sponsors that do not fall under our laws but still continue to advertise/pay the Tubes?

What about the paysites that allow members download content? Did they sign a content download agreement to not give the content out?

How are you going to explain to the judge that 99% of us "give away" our entire scene broken up into clips that are longer than 30 seconds, for free content, for people to download/use for free, with no lic agreement again?

How are you going to stop the technology called torrent?

And finally, please explain how the MPAA took down, stopped or even slowed down piracy with the hundreds of millions of dollars that they spent. Then, do you think this industry has hundreds of millions of dollars to lose like the MPAA does?

Some tubes are going to get nailed and some sponsors too, but very few. The majority of Tubes that can be touched do respond to DCMA notices. Then out of the bad tubes, only a small group of sponsors advertise on them and most of them aren't touchable either. If they respond to DCMA notices, they are 100% protected.

Sands · 08-22-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well... when we are all sitting on a commercial jet and the biggest idiot on the plane jumps up and announces he wants to fly it... you can "listen" all you want. some on the other hand, might encourage a few tough questions and demand some solid answers before telling the pilot to step aside.

but thats just me

Sorry friend, I didn't jump blindly into Jon Clark's bandwagon. I'm insulted by your insinuation, especially now that you've further implied that I have and would act so foolishly as in your analogy. With all sincerity, get AIDs.

Yours forever,

Sands

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Sorry friend, I didn't jump blindly into Jon Clark's bandwagon. I'm insulted by your insinuation, especially now that you've further implied that I have and would act so foolishly as in your analogy. With all sincerity, get AIDs.

Yours forever,

Sands

Nice work Sands... That guy is one of the couple people around here that shoot everything down that I say on this board.... EVERYTHING!

Pleasurepays · 08-24-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Nice work Sands... That guy is one of the couple people around here that shoot everything down that I say on this board.... EVERYTHING!

seems to me like pretty much everyone is saying you're a moron. i'm just having fun with it because i am bored.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If you can't touch the International Tubes, how are you going to get the upload records?.

That will be tricky, but there will be a way found... If there is a will, there is a way...

Do you really think all these Tubes took user uploaded content? You can't really be that slow.

Any tube site found to have populated there own site is going to be in for a big hurting... They are liabel and guilty.... Number one, the dmca safe haven law does not cover content uploaded by the owner... And two, since they are not covered by the safe haven, they are in offence of the 2257 laws..

What do you do about the international sponsors that do not fall under our laws but still continue to advertise/pay the Tubes?

If they do not work with us, then we black list them and figure out a few other options to make them hurt..

What about the paysites that allow members download content? Did they sign a content download agreement to not give the content out?

No... But we somehow can track the content.... I know the FBI does this to fight cp... There is a way to track the movement of content.. I personally do not know how.. But there is someone here that does..

How are you going to explain to the judge that 99% of us "give away" our entire scene broken up into clips that are longer than 30 seconds, for free content, for people to download/use for free, with no lic agreement again?

Affiliates do have a license agreement with there sponsor... All sponsors have rules to follow......

How are you going to stop the technology called torrent?

By sueing the people seeding them....

And finally, please explain how the MPAA took down, stopped or even slowed down piracy with the hundreds of millions of dollars that they spent. Then, do you think this industry has hundreds of millions of dollars to lose like the MPAA does?

They are doing a great job I think.... Show me a tube site with full movies on it... 5 years ago, everyone I know downloaded there movies and music... Now, they get there movies from netflix and buy there music from itunes...

The mainstream market has covered there asses... Have been for years... While this industry has laid down and let the thieves move right in and take over...

Some tubes are going to get nailed and some sponsors too, but very few. The majority of Tubes that can be touched do respond to DCMA notices. Then out of the bad tubes, only a small group of sponsors advertise on them and most of them aren't touchable either. If they respond to DCMA notices, they are 100% protected

You are both correct and wrong...!

cem · 08-24-2008, 11:16 AM

I dont see any reason to give a negative reply to this thread, anyone who has given a negative reply, either runs an illegal tube site/forum or doesn't run an adult site, at least not one that makes him money.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cem

I dont see any reason to give a negative reply to this thread, anyone who has given a negative reply, either runs an illegal tube site/forum or doesn't run an adult site, at least not one that makes him money.

Thanks for the honest post bro...

TheDoc · 08-24-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Any tube site found to have populated there own site is going to be in for a big hurting... They are liabel and guilty.... Number one, the dmca safe haven law does not cover content uploaded by the owner... And two, since they are not covered by the safe haven, they are in offence of the 2257 laws..

First, it takes 2 lines of code to assign/mask who uploaded content, fake it to a point that you couldn't prove otherwise. And 2257 isn't an issue anymore and/or an issue anyone in this Industry wants to use, as we don't want it in our Industry, at all.

Seriously, only a pampas ass would use 2257 as an attack method in this business.

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

If they do not work with us, then we black list them and figure out a few other options to make them hurt..

I'm sure the 1000+, international hosted tubes, with illegal content, are scared shitless to be black listed by a bunch of porn Webmasters.

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

No... But we somehow can track the content.... I know the FBI does this to fight cp... There is a way to track the movement of content.. I personally do not know how.. But there is someone here that does..

It's called DRM, and it would solve 99% of the problems all paysites have. At that point, any person in any country that cracked/recorded it, just broke several laws that you can actually go after in other Countries. Problem is, you aren't getting people to change to DRM.

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Affiliates do have a license agreement with there sponsor... All sponsors have rules to follow......

I have never signed a lic agreement with a sponsor, ever. For sure nothing that could legally be used in court.

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

By sueing the people seeding them....

Hahaha, that went over well for the MPAA too. Which is why they stopped doing it.

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They are doing a great job I think.... Show me a tube site with full movies on it... 5 years ago, everyone I know downloaded there movies and music... Now, they get there movies from netflix and buy there music from itunes...

They have lost hundreds of millions, educated millions of more people on what piracy is, and haven't slowed it down, or stopped it. They lied, cheated, and did illegal things themselves all to try to stop something that they didn't even slow down one single bit.

megavideo.com - one of 1000's. Know what I love about mainstream tube sites?
For the first time ever I found/watched Jap cartoons that I never heard of, seen, and knew nothing of, I love'em with them and went and out purchased the dvd sets.

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The mainstream market has covered there asses... Have been for years... While this industry has laid down and let the thieves move right in and take over...

That's funny, it's like thinking it's illegal to upload movies in every country in the world.

Was that like Photoshop, openly allowing millions to download, crack, and give out the best product in the world. Building a multi-million user base, then releasing a hard as hell to crack/on comp reg system that forced millions to pay?

Or is it like the few paysites that have changed back to DRM or never left it and have zero problems with Piracy, like VOD?

99% of the content companies didn't even register the copyrights they think they own. Ha, most don't even know how.

I'm all up for taking down piracy. Piracy that allows others to profit from my work totally sucks ass. However, I don't care. I'm not so simple minded to think that piracy is killing my business, hurting it, or slowing it down. I have seen illegal piracy sources, including tubes, produce 10, 20, 50, 100+ sales in a single day to a single site.

The people bitching either don't own content, have never actually tracked piracy, or they are a sheep and just following the crowds of complainers.

And yes, they are ripping away traffic from free sites, review sites, ect. Not because it's piracy, but because it's a better free porn site. Simple as that.

Johny Traffic · 08-24-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cem

I dont see any reason to give a negative reply to this thread, anyone who has given a negative reply, either runs an illegal tube site/forum or doesn't run an adult site, at least not one that makes him money.

Or they are not a complete fucking retard

When will you lot get into your thick heads that tube sites are going no where, well not untill someone invents an even better way to give bigger and better and more free porn away.

OK, one more time to the people who still have not grasped this "tube sites are going no where"

If you are waiting for tube sites to disapear to get your sales back, then it's time for you to step away from the industry and do something else. One more time "tube sites are going no where"

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I.

Yup..... That is what everyone says...

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Or they are not a complete fucking retard

When will you lot get into your thick heads that tube sites are going no where, well not untill someone invents an even better way to give bigger and better and more free porn away.

OK, one more time to the people who still have not grasped this "tube sites are going no where"

If you are waiting for tube sites to disapear to get your sales back, then it's time for you to step away from the industry and do something else. One more time "tube sites are going no where"

Noone wants tube sites to go away..... lmao

And you are calling people retard....

TheDoc · 08-24-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Yup..... That is what everyone says...

Wow I should start suing programs and webmasters left and right, oh I'm sure my terms across 100's of domains have been violated in some minor way. Even more so since I can simply change them, without notice. Since this stuff would be a violation of a legal binding contract it would basically make me a few easy million bucks..

Use logic or read some court documents, both work. Or look at visa, no refunds/cbs on my terms, even if its your fault a pw leak, a member gives out the pw or piracy, and charges back.

Holy crap!!!! I'm going to start suing members too!

TheDoc · 08-24-2008, 12:49 PM

I got it! I'm a surfer too, and I have been "forced" to use Tubes because, as we all know, ALL paysites fraud members! So I say we get a class action law suit started that all paysites and processors, are legally bound to the online contracts and promotions (afterall any false promotions is illegal too) and I'm going to fucking start suing everyone!

Tubes, members, surfers, downloaders, other programs, paysites, even review sites for taking my name up in listings and that's a violation of my registered trademark!

Whoooo Whooooo daddy is going to buy an island!

MediaGuy · 08-24-2008, 12:59 PM

I think we should spend more time learning about and using the Tube medium to our profit instead of yowling about how they're going to kill us... remember TGPs? They were a sign of the end of times too you know...

:D

Pleasurepays · 08-24-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I think we should spend more time learning about and using the Tube medium to our profit instead of yowling about how they're going to kill us... remember TGPs? They were a sign of the end of times too you know...

:D

i think we should support Jon... try get every tube site owner to voluntarily turn over information that has more legal risks than benefits to a third party, invite the FBI/DOJ into the biz by suggesting 2257 prosecutions and just pay a team of attorneys 1000.00 per hour to milk it for a few years and then start suing our own surfers.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Holy crap!!!! I'm going to start suing members too!

You can, the ones that do chargebacks... You can fight them charge backs in small claims court... And attach the judgement to there credit report... And you can also sue the ones that share the passwords, seed the torrents and upload to tubes.... I already said that!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I think we should spend more time learning about and using the Tube medium to our profit instead of yowling about how they're going to kill us... remember TGPs? They were a sign of the end of times too you know...

:D

We already know how to profit from them.... Now we need to stop the piracy that is running rampant...

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think we should support Jon... try get every tube site owner to voluntarily turn over information that has more legal risks than benefits to a third party, invite the FBI/DOJ into the biz by suggesting 2257 prosecutions and just pay a team of attorneys 1000.00 per hour to milk it for a few years and then start suing our own surfers.

There is no risk to them for turning over information... Matter of fact, we can subpoena it, read and know the laws... It is better for them to work with us then against us...

Are you scared of the FBI/DOJ..? If your docs are in order and you are doing what you are supposed to do then you have nothing to worry about...

The legal teams can be assembled in a cost effective way...

DatingGameExpert · 08-24-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

This needs to be kept a covert operation; do you think the bad guys are just going to lay down without a fight...? lmao No one is going to send me money... We are going to do this right, set up a non profit fund to fight porn piracy!

Those that think this is a joke can laugh now and cry later!

From this point on we are at war against the evil doers of our industry... It is time to take action and take them out before they take us out... They will attack us from all sides, even try to infotrate us, but we can not be stopped and will not be stopped!

Just because you are an annoying fuck I am going to point as many illegal tubes to this thread as possible.

TheDoc · 08-24-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

You can, the ones that do chargebacks... You can fight them charge backs in small claims court... And attach the judgement to there credit report... And you can also sue the ones that share the passwords, seed the torrents and upload to tubes.... I already said that!

You can only fight them, if you have your own merchant account, within the country the merchant account is located in. And then, only if they didn't use the service. People using 3rd party processors can do a damn thing. They don't even own the member.

You can not sue for password leaks, you can't prove you didn't get brute forced. You can't sue for seeding torrents, they did not sign a legal binding agreement, even more so if you allow downloads with no notices (which sites don't have). And when you introduce DRM, it introduces your legal rights. It then would be illegal to seed to the torrents. Courts know this.

We do not want 2257 used in this, we as an industry do not support the new 2257 laws which have been kicked back. We do not want to keep our records to the open level requirements that they suggest. People think they are compliant and got notices of violations which the DOJ could come back later on, at any time, or use it later for any other reason.

Support or using 2257 as a weapon is hanging our Industry by the balls and beating them with a bat.

DatingGameExpert · 08-24-2008, 01:29 PM

JON CLARK VS THE TUBES!!! <--- EXCLUSIVE PHOTO of Jon in action!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert

Just because you are an annoying fuck I am going to point as many illegal tubes to this thread as possible.

Point them here.. They have nothing to fear.... https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/850114-fuck-am-post14656227.html

Pleasurepays · 08-24-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

There is no risk to them for turning over information... Matter of fact, we can subpoena it, read and know the laws... It is better for them to work with us then against us...

Are you scared of the FBI/DOJ..? If your docs are in order and you are doing what you are supposed to do then you have nothing to worry about...

The legal teams can be assembled in a cost effective way...

1) attorneys are never cost effective. they are maggots. they can be useful and have a place but attorneys will the only winners in a fight like this.

2) thinking that inviting the DOJ/FBI into the industry is a good thing or is in anyones best interest, simply shows how out of touch with reality you are.

3) read the laws? huh?

it doesn't matter what the law is. the law is not about law. the law is about who can wear the other side down and break them first.

you'll lose because you'll never be able to afford to fight to begin with.

you are accusing people of illegal behavior... then suggesting that the voluntarily turn over all their records to YOU? are you that fucking dense? "better to work with you than against you"? really? who are you? some self important jackass trying to market himself by starting a crusade thats doomed from the start.

seriously man.. do you really think that Company XYZ, who is doing 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 a year is going to have their attorneys come to them and say "uh yeah... we should just give all our info over to this guy... this makes perfect sense"

subpoena records? based on what? you just gonna do that on your own? are you gonna write your own subpoena's and send them out? or are you really thinking you are going to make it all the way to court and have a judge get behind you and subpoena records in a case where you have already demonstrated and acknowledged that you have no idea who is infringing and who isn't (hence the need for the records to begin with). you think a judge is just gonna say "well yeah... some jackass filed a lawsuit in federal court that makes no fucking sense on any level... so i'm gonna go ahead and get on board and demand Company XYZ turn all their records over to the court for our perusal"

keep planning and plotting man... this is comedy gold!!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

1) attorneys are never cost effective. they are maggots. they can be useful and have a place but attorneys will the only winners in a fight like this.

2) thinking that inviting the DOJ/FBI into the industry is a good thing or is in anyones best interest, simply shows how out of touch with reality you are.

3) read the laws? huh?

it doesn't matter what the law is. the law is not about law. the law is about who can wear the other side down and break them first.

you'll lose because you'll never be able to afford to fight to begin with.

you are accusing people of illegal behavior... then suggesting that the voluntarily turn over all their records to YOU? are you that fucking dense? "better to work with you than against you"? really? who are you? some self important jackass trying to market himself by starting a crusade thats doomed from the start.

seriously man.. do you really think that Company XYZ, who is doing 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 a year is going to have their attorneys come to them and say "uh yeah... we should just give all our info over to this guy... this makes perfect sense"

subpoena records? based on what? you just gonna do that on your own? are you gonna write your own subpoena's and send them out? or are you really thinking you are going to make it all the way to court and have a judge get behind you and subpoena records in a case where you have already demonstrated and acknowledged that you have no idea who is infringing and who isn't (hence the need for the records to begin with). you think a judge is just gonna say "well yeah... some jackass filed a lawsuit in federal court that makes no fucking sense on any level... so i'm gonna go ahead and get on board and demand Company XYZ turn all their records over to the court for our perusal"

keep planning and plotting man... this is comedy gold!!

I gave up....! Happy?

fatfoo · 08-24-2008, 02:52 PM

If i invest money, will I get a return? Or it's just a donation

Pleasurepays · 08-24-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark

I gave up....! Happy?

you didn't give up anything.. you never even got started.

DatingGameExpert · 08-24-2008, 03:02 PM

What is with this retard. First he's making a bunch of threads about how to take the tubes down and he needs our help, and now he's telling everyone to make tubes. Logic? Jon Clark you are a retard of the highest order.

AdultTrafficMedia · 08-24-2008, 03:22 PM

The thread starter clearly has no idea how to deal with the knowledge + skills that TheDoc demonstrates on this topic.

It is embarrassing reading Jon Clark`s replies when several knowledgeable people are asking genuine questions.

I am sure you mean well with your crusade but I don`t think you realise the magnitude of this issue.

Brujah · 08-24-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

You have a way of touching the tubesite owners overseas?

As far as I know the torrent and large illegal tubesites are all outside the US. How do you reach them?

Or are you talking about going after them indirectly? As in cutting off their funding. Going after hosts and the people that pay them?

Give us an idea of what you are thinking here. No one is just going to throw money your way or put time into helping you unless you give some preview to your plan.

ITs hard to take this serious or give it serious consideration.

Let me know.

He's talking about taking them out literally. He's going to wack them.

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08-21-2008, 08:00 PM	#54
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	LOL You flip flopped.

08-24-2008, 11:16 AM	#63
cem Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 415	I dont see any reason to give a negative reply to this thread, anyone who has given a negative reply, either runs an illegal tube site/forum or doesn't run an adult site, at least not one that makes him money.

08-24-2008, 03:02 PM	#84
DatingGameExpert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,089	What is with this retard. First he's making a bunch of threads about how to take the tubes down and he needs our help, and now he's telling everyone to make tubes. Logic? Jon Clark you are a retard of the highest order.

08-24-2008, 03:22 PM	#85
AdultTrafficMedia Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 155	The thread starter clearly has no idea how to deal with the knowledge + skills that TheDoc demonstrates on this topic. It is embarrassing reading Jon Clark`s replies when several knowledgeable people are asking genuine questions. I am sure you mean well with your crusade but I don`t think you realise the magnitude of this issue.