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WarChild 08-11-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilAngel Kristin (Post 14591305)
Maybe it was War Child? LOL! Wow such negativity him/her/it! :321GFY

That sucks all the way around. Couldnt have happened to a cooler guy imho. Sorry i missed you at the show too J! :Oh crap

Karma is a fuckin bitch and that's all I have to say about that. :pimp

Karma's a story told to children to make them feel better about the World not being fair.

And yes, it was obviously me that ran up the bill on hairdo's room.

WarChild 08-11-2008 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 14591344)
Before he ever posted in this thread, I had already heard from a reliable source that it was him, Sly, and BradM. Probably explains some of the unnecessary hostility in this thread.

Fuzebox was the point man for the whole operation. The rest of us are all behind the scenes guys.

K R I S T E N 08-11-2008 09:34 AM

WOW - thats really fu**ed up! Waaay worse than my story bc someone targeted you on purpose! That sucks.

I have the security folks going through their security footage to figure out WHO stole my cell phone 1 hour before I was heading to the airport!

I hate people who cheat, lie, blah, blah but I hate people who STEAL even more!

WarChild 08-11-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by XBizKristen (Post 14591383)
WOW - thats really fu**ed up! ...

I know! And to think all of this in an industry where everyone always sticks up for each other, nobody would ever fuck anyone over and everything is sunshine and rainbows!

If you can't feel safe in a hotel full of drunk pornographers, where CAN you feel safe?!?!!?!?! :warning:warning

kmanrox 08-11-2008 09:41 AM

wow.. i cant believe ppl still do that nowadays.. but i guess it will always happen.. sucks it happened to someone we know though.. im betting they probably arent even industry people, maybe friends of some industry people... and if the ppl sitting with him are actual industry people maybe they didnt know what he was doing? like, it was his turn to pay the bill and he sprung for it? either way i hope you bust of expose all of them.

RobAlbaugh 08-11-2008 09:42 AM

what did they order to eat? A nice steak? Im suddenly hungry. seriously, hope they own up to it but I doubt they do.

BV 08-11-2008 09:42 AM

Someone didn't try stealing money from you, they did!

If Westin reimbursed you good for them. but someone still stole from you.

If you give them public immunity you suck!

That's all I have to say.

If you have the surveillance picture you best post it here, find out who it is and press charges!

Or you will suck just as bad as he does!

Most of GFY will feel how I do.

Cheers,
BV

JFK 08-11-2008 09:46 AM

POST the pics if you get them .............:2 cents:

Joe BrainCash 08-11-2008 09:48 AM

Holy Crap! Some people shouldn't go out... When you have to steal identity to pay and impress your buddies, stay home instead... I can't believe how at every show we seem to get some of this shit going...

Keep us posted with the outcome Jay.

Connor 08-11-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14591376)
Fuzebox was the point man for the whole operation. The rest of us are all behind the scenes guys.

Funny thing is... since Jay works for YNOT, these things kind of affect the company, making me also interested in who was responsible. I can definitely confirm that the hotel IS indeed reviewing tapes, interviewing staff, etc., and have insisted to us that they WILL figure out who it was. So, as long as the hotel does indeed follow through on what they said would happen ... then yup, someone is going to be outed. And how sweet that will be.

There were a lot of great people at the show in FL... lots of good peeps in this business. But we do also have a few amongst our ranks that are either a) unprofessional, b) unethical, c) unintelligent, or d) all of the above. Often they expose themselves by their behavior. But if we do get a chance to expose the particular thief involved in the incident that Jay posted about, honestly, that will give me something to smile about for the rest of the year. May even build a special section on YNOT as a memorial to the event.

baddog 08-11-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sands (Post 14591348)
Principle.

It had to be said.

LAJ 08-11-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BV (Post 14591426)
Someone didn't try stealing money from you, they did!

If Westin reimbursed you good for them. but someone still stole from you.

If you give them public immunity you suck!

That's all I have to say.

If you have the surveillance picture you best post it here, find out who it is and press charges!

Or you will suck just as bad as he does!

Most of GFY will feel how I do.

Cheers,
BV

They didn't steal from me, they stole from the Westin.

And you are putting me on the same level of a thief with my potential actions of maybe showing leniency to someone??

I think you win for the stupidest statement thus far in this thread.

Connor 08-11-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14591415)
I know! And to think all of this in an industry where everyone always sticks up for each other, nobody would ever fuck anyone over and everything is sunshine and rainbows!

If you can't feel safe in a hotel full of drunk pornographers, where CAN you feel safe?!?!!?!?! :warning:warning

I don't know who you're hanging around, but it sounds like it's the wrong side of the industry.

BradM 08-11-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 14591479)
I don't know who you're hanging around, but it sounds like it's the wrong side of the industry.

It could be that you have bro-goggles on.

WarChild 08-11-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 14591471)
Funny thing is... since Jay works for YNOT, these things kind of affect the company, making me also interested in who was responsible. I can definitely confirm that the hotel IS indeed reviewing tapes, interviewing staff, etc., and have insisted to us that they WILL figure out who it was. So, as long as the hotel does indeed follow through on what they said would happen ... then yup, someone is going to be outed. And how sweet that will be.

There were a lot of great people at the show in FL... lots of good peeps in this business. But we do also have a few amongst our ranks that are either a) unprofessional, b) unethical, c) unintelligent, or d) all of the above. Often they expose themselves by their behavior. But if we do get a chance to expose the particular thief involved in the incident that Jay posted about, honestly, that will give me something to smile about for the rest of the year. May even build a special section on YNOT as a memorial to the event.

Hey, by all means, try and find out who the guy was and expose him. I'm all for that, I mean it's a dick move, he should be exposed.

What I am poking fun at here is the Columbo routine, complete with demand for confession and a sprinkle of "I'm pretty important, you know?".

Find out who it was, out them. Simple. The play pimp forum posturing is just silly. No build up is needed, and it just sets up the big "fall flat on your face" play for the original poster. :2 cents:

halfpint 08-11-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 14591248)
You've never been on the receiving end of an abusive phone call from me ;)

Plus I know people in this industry.

They won't be getting off easy. Trust me on that dude.

I prefer calling this the "professional professional" approach.

I do understand where you are coming from and when you say you "know" people in the industry. Its the very people who you "know" that have taken the liberty of using your card without your knowledge. Anyways hope you find out who did it and post it up on all the adult forums because a guy that does a shitty thing like this should be publicly flogged.

Tom_PM 08-11-2008 09:57 AM

But they did steal from you. They stole your identity, and they stole your time.

Now they're continuing to steal from you as you spend energy dealing with this bullshit.

Brad Mitchell 08-11-2008 09:57 AM

Nail him to the cross J!

Brad

LadyMischief 08-11-2008 09:59 AM

Wow hon that sucks hope it all gets worked out for you!

CDSmith 08-11-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 14590966)
And all for chump change.
Is your livelihood really worth something as ridiculous as this?

As I said last week in another thread, cheaters and theives within this industry are almost always (if not always) short-term thinkers, always looking for the small immediate score rather than the honest long-term business model.

All of them are pathetic, and deserve what they get when they get caught.

LAJ 08-11-2008 10:04 AM

BTW, BV... I don't know you BUT if that was a joke, then I will add a smile here :)

I don't allow mob mentality to direct me in what decisions I make. However I will add this now... Connor Young at YNOT and I have been discussing this and he REALLY REALLY wants to out the person and take things a step beyond that actually.

So chances are someone will be outed.

Connor 08-11-2008 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14591493)
Hey, by all means, try and find out who the guy was and expose him. I'm all for that, I mean it's a dick move, he should be exposed.

What I am poking fun at here is the Columbo routine, complete with demand for confession and a sprinkle of "I'm pretty important, you know?".

Find out who it was, out them. Simple. The play pimp forum posturing is just silly. No build up is needed, and it just sets up the big "fall flat on your face" play for the original poster. :2 cents:

Jay knows that it's almost certain whoever did this is NOT going to respond... but 1) he gave the person a chance to do the right thing, 2) there's a chance someone witnessed it happen, thought it was fucked up, and will contact us, and 3) it's almost certain whoever did it has read this thread, so let them sweat it out a while we wait for the hotel to get back to us. Sure, there's always the CHANCE that the hotel doesn't come up with anything... and the thief gets away with it. But there's also the chance that they WILL figure it out, and they sounded pretty confident.

I was just telling someone at Internext that no matter what you post on industry threads, no matter how much support you get, no matter the topic, there's always that ONE person who shows up to inject something negative at the poster. It's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. In this particular thread, you played that role, plain and simple.

Connor 08-11-2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14591491)
It could be that you have bro-goggles on.

Hahaha.... maybe, I have indeed been fooled by people before. So it's it possible. ;)

jmk 08-11-2008 10:12 AM

Ugghs that suxx!

CDSmith 08-11-2008 10:14 AM

Jay, coddling and protecting the thief isn't the right way to handle this.

Your fellow adult community deserves to know who this lowlife is, period. I don't see how anyone can see it any other way, yet so often I see this refusal to out the offender out of some false sense of "professionalism." If the evidence is irrefutable and you find out without a shadow of a doubt who did it, they deserve to be outted.

Warchild and the others are right, the guy stole your identity, your time, and some of your money (as you said some of the charges were too hard to track down, the amount is irrelevant), and they did so willfully knowing they were ripping you off.

You're being too lenient in not revealing their identity. No point in rebutting this, I won't ever change my mind on this point.

BradM 08-11-2008 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 14591565)
Hahaha.... maybe, I have indeed been fooled by people before. So it's it possible. ;)

I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic, because I don't know you... at all. But I will always have the lowest opinion of MOST people in this industry and expect the worst from them.
Being shocked by behavior at shows (like mongoloid retards throwing chairs off of hotel balconies for example) or fights or room charges... it's just something to expect and be prepared for. Same as getting shaved or fucked by reps during traffic deals, or people not following through on their word etc.

Stick to your circle, trust who has PROVEN to you they can be trusted. Otherwise assume murder. ;)

Mr Pheer 08-11-2008 10:25 AM

A thief deserves no leniency.

Find out who they are throw them to the wolves on GFY. But make sure you have the right guy before you do, cause its going to be damaging.

And forging your signature? Why protect a piece of shit that would do that? Several years ago, a webmaster here on GFY forged my signature on some xpics checks. That guy was Scrapper / Jesus H Christ / NE1469 (yes he has several nicks here, probably more) but a scammer needs to be identified so everyone else can avoid them.

BV 08-11-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 14591541)
BTW, BV... I don't know you BUT if that was a joke, then I will add a smile here :)

I don't allow mob mentality to direct me in what decisions I make. However I will add this now... Connor Young at YNOT and I have been discussing this and he REALLY REALLY wants to out the person and take things a step beyond that actually.

So chances are someone will be outed.

We have never met no, but that doesn't matter, I can assure you it's not a joke and I am far from displaying MOB mentality.

You can do whatever you want, don't let what I say sway you one way or another. Let your conscience do that part.

But your actions so far speak volumes.

Hide a thief amongst us. Very nice of you looking out for the rest of us.

My guess it's someone you probably know, someone that doesn't even need the money and probably the other people in his party knew about it also. (just a hunch)

So more than likely there are more people to inform our community about.

I am sure you will do the right thing.

Answer me this, Was there even a police report filed?

fuzebox 08-11-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14591376)
Fuzebox was the point man for the whole operation. The rest of us are all behind the scenes guys.

:1orglaugh I did not expect this.

BV 08-11-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 14591605)
A thief deserves no leniency.

Find out who they are throw them to the wolves on GFY. But make sure you have the right guy before you do, cause its going to be damaging.

And forging your signature? Why protect a piece of shit that would do that? Several years ago, a webmaster here on GFY forged my signature on some xpics checks. That guy was Scrapper / Jesus H Christ / NE1469 (yes he has several nicks here, probably more) but a scammer needs to be identified so everyone else can avoid them.


Quoted for Truth and Accuracy.

LAJ 08-11-2008 10:47 AM

I will do the right thing... count on that.

But I also need to be 110% sure before I out anyone.

I filed a report with the hotel, and if/when I get irrefutable proof, I'll take whatever necessary legal action at that point.

Holly 08-11-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 14591479)
I don't know who you're hanging around, but it sounds like it's the wrong side of the industry.

He mainly just hangs around me, but I've been trying to make an effort to distance myself from him lately, since I've suspected for some time that he's not a good influence. He smokes A LOT of pot.

And he's always trying to get me to look at his penis.

Meeper 08-11-2008 10:57 AM

Sorry to hear about that J, glad you caught the bastard.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-11-2008 11:02 AM

Oh noes!!! He stole 5 dollars and we got it on CAM! He is so busted!

Lets not mention the name! We need 20 drama threads on this!

Intrinsic 08-11-2008 11:04 AM

Good luck with this scum

CDSmith 08-11-2008 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 14591707)
I will do the right thing... count on that.

But I also need to be 110% sure before I out anyone.

I filed a report with the hotel, and if/when I get irrefutable proof, I'll take whatever necessary legal action at that point.

This I can get on board with. :thumbsup

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-11-2008 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 14591731)
he's always trying to get me to look at his penis.

Is it Juicy D Links?

Sly 08-11-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 14591639)
:1orglaugh I did not expect this.

This is what happens when you skip out on the organizers without paying them their cut. I waited for my onion rings for 30 minutes... what gives?

On another note... people like this need to be outted regardless of whether or not they "confess?.

Doug of Montreal 08-11-2008 11:07 AM

First I steal your bday, then your last name... but I swear, I left your tab alone ;)

It's surprising how little ID you actually need to charge large sums of money to your room. I was a little worried myself at times as I was shouting my room number and last name to bartender who was across the room. I think that should be a fix for next year--you need ID to bill to rooms, even if it's just your badge.

And Jay, I fully support the move to out whoever it was. That's messed up. It could have been any of us and there are a lot of people who don't have the pockets to cover it like YNOT could. Whoever did it isn't a moral person and can't be trusted. What happens at the next convention where the hotel may not be so understanding? Please, please do what's right and post the name and any pics you have.

CIVMatt 08-11-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by XBizKristen (Post 14591383)
WOW - thats really fu**ed up! Waaay worse than my story bc someone targeted you on purpose! That sucks.

I have the security folks going through their security footage to figure out WHO stole my cell phone 1 hour before I was heading to the airport!

I hate people who cheat, lie, blah, blah but I hate people who STEAL even more!

What about Hot Tub shenanigans Kristen?

PornNewz 08-11-2008 11:13 AM

LAJ, let me know when you find out, I'll be happy to post it on PornNewz dot com for all to see!

Jene

DaddyHalbucks 08-11-2008 11:14 AM

Jay,

What's the deadline for the alleged thief? A threat without a deadline is hollow..

Evil E 08-11-2008 11:14 AM

Thread is useless without the infos exposing the scum.

What are you gonna do if he contacts you? Blackmail him? There's no point to keep this info out of the public, he'll probably do it to other people in the future.


That being said, my money is on the Anal Hobbit

MichaelP 08-11-2008 11:14 AM

Thank you Jay for such a nice dinner :1orglaugh...



Nah Man j/k... Yes it TOTALLY SUCKS..

I personally think your idea of asking to see the Room Card would be a good idea.. I rented Jetskis with friend MArk Prince on the beach this week and and the guy was asking for Room keys as proof that the room you want to charge something on is really yours...

Hopefully you'll get this thing resolved, OF course the guy's name and piture if you have it should be posted too... There is no need for douche like that in our commubity

Good luck with that Jay!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-11-2008 11:17 AM

This thread is so much more valuable without exposing the name.

CurrentlySober 08-11-2008 11:18 AM

AlienQ invented exposing the name....

klaze 08-11-2008 11:21 AM

The hotel won't be giving the O.P any details on who actually commited the crime.

The POLICE might SHOW him a picture to find out if he recognizes the person.. But they aren't going to GIVE him the picture or the guys name or anything.

The person is a scammer they might not have specifically planned to target you but you just gave them the opportunity..

I bet out of all the people in Florida only 10% post here..

RyuLion 08-11-2008 11:22 AM

This sucks big time man..

Kenny B! 08-11-2008 11:31 AM

Seems things get stolen at most shows, I sure hope you find who did this and they don't contact you before hand.

DollarKing 08-11-2008 11:36 AM

So i take it in the end you diden't have to foot the bill?
If you want to talk about principles we could be here forever going down the various avenues of principles but if this has just attacked your personal ego then i would drop it.
I have found in life when the shoe fits the other foot then things are fine only when things do not work out in whatever situation then it becomes woe.
Besides do not be surprised if the person whomever was in a clever disguise well aware of the situation and was just out for a ride that night.


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