just a punk

You are sooooo ignoramus. Russian Federation (Russia) is not the same as USSR. Learn history man and get a bit smarter

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just a punk

That only sounds like that.

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Phil

no, just the those that live in the US and UK.

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cykoe6

Now I see........... The Soviet Union's war crimes, invasions and genocides are not on the hands of pure Mother Russia.

I guess the crimes of the Federal Republic of Germany have nothing to do with the Deutsches Reich.

So all that is needed is a governmental reorganization and the slate of history is wiped clean?

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cykoe6

Of course..... because all data that provides evidence against your positions is "propaganda" and all evidence that supports your conclusions is undisputed "fact."

Basically your world view can be summed by this:

Mother Russia = 100% Pure Innocent Goodness

USA = 100% Pure Genocidal Evil

That is a very well thought out position.

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Phil

15 different states were part of Soviet Union. Give me one reason why you would delegate so called “mother Russia” as sole recipient of genocide awards. Remind me the nationalities of Joseph Stalin, Beria, Khrushev?

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Phil

Ignorance is bliss young man..
I think its pretty clear what he says. as long as US solders (only) are immune from prosecution, this so called tribunal is nothing but farce. When you have people wiping out entire neighborhoods in Iraq and go scott free, thre shouldn’t be any talk about “international tribunals”…

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Phil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Chessani

24 people dead and he's eating beef jerkey and drinking bud lught right now.

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just a punk

Yes .

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cykoe6

I wish I was a young man.......so I guess I will take that as a compliment. As was mentioned before The US, China and Russia are all not subject to the ICC. It is not just the US. That is the whole point.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080721/...VS_p5wlLq96Q8F

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femdomdestiny

For any normal person who actually know what happened there, ti is clear that is punishment of US for making resistance to USA.

Do you really think that all three presidents of that country are in jail? (Karadzic,Biljana Plavsic,- women, and Momcilo Krajisnik) are quity or it is made that those people are guilty?

First, Americans helped Mujahedins in Bosina against Christian Serbs. That is a fact. Divide and conquer is simple strategy that works very well.

Hague tribunal is fake tribunal,because Albanian (muslim) terrorists are free (Haradinaj during whose process in Hague, 9 witnesses are killed!),Nase Oric, muslim killer (killing people with his own hands) ...etc...Serbs are prisoned there because they were making resistance to USA. I am just sorry that all of people here starting to understand Muslim threat, but too late . Americans wouldn't probably be aware that 9/11 didn't happened.

Anyway, he was fighting againt these guys : https://youtube.com/watch?v=__Q-z...eature=related while Serbian side was bombed by AMericans who supported Mujahedins there.

cykoe6

General Vladimir Shamanov - 41 civilians murdered and raped and he is counselor to Russia's defense minister in good standing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkhan-Yurt_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Shamanov

Two can play that silly game.

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just a punk

The USA were so proud that they defeated communism and totally destroyed the USSR. Now, according to your words it looks like Americans are idiots, because they haven't destroyed USSR at all, the Soviet country has been just... "reorganized" by it's own government. Have I got your point?

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Phil

Now, hand on, don’t give me that shit.. I asked you a question and instead of answering it you produce me example of how fixated you are on whole “bloody mother Russia” issue. WE’re talking about ole’ good democratic state of america here. Everybody knows the butchering Russians that ate ukranian babies in 1930’s…lets talk about the US for a second.

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Phil

Wrong again. Prior to Iraq invasion US negotiated with EU and other countries to protect its soldiers from prosecution .. apples and radiators...

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cykoe6

I am not fixated on the whole "bloody Mother Russia" issue. I personally think Putin is a great man who rescued the country from oblivion and defeated a vicious guerilla insurgency by any means necessary....... just as he should have done. I have a picture of Putin on my fucking desktop. My point is that the every conflict has two sides. The people who call the Serbians "butchers" and want war crimes tribunals conveniently forget about Croatian massacres and the Croatian concentration camps in WWII.

Just like I supported Putin's effort to defeat the Chechnya rebels I also support Bush's efforts to defeat the Islamists. Some fights are necessary and just. Perhaps you don?t believe that the US effort is right but there are two sides to the argument.

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Antonio

hahaha, this thread is getting better and better, gfy is going to start a WW3

cykoe6

That is somewhat accurate. Anyway perhaps we can agree that the US allowing the Soviet Union to collapse was huge strategic blunder for which the world is still paying for every day? George Bush senior should have done what he could do to support the foundations of the Soviet state so it did not disintegrate. Free market reforms should have been carried out within the existing structure instead of letting the whole system collapse into Mafia clans.

The resulting power vacuum has created chaos all over the globe. The Islamists were quite contained until the USSR collapsed. The Soviets were the tip of the spear against the Islamist threat in Afghanistan and were undermined by the US who supported the wrong side. Now the US is reaping the harvest of that mistake. That does not mean their current efforts are illegitimate, however.

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just a punk

I concur with this part.

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cykoe6, you know, I think the USA is making the same mistake with former Yugoslavia, and the victim of it will be the EU. Kosovo is going to be a biggest radical Islamic drug'n'weapon trade "camp" in the center of Europe. Personally I have no idea why the USA and EU were need it for...

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cykoe6

I agree complete with this. What an idiotic move on the US and EU's part. Allowing Kosovo to officially break away from Serbia sets a very bad precedent. Now what will they say when South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Pridnestrovie want self determination as well? How about Iraqi Kurdistan? What stupidty. All to allow an Islamist foothold in Europe. A huge strategic blunder.

The Serbians have been treated unfairly by the US and the EU since the beginning of the war. That is why I am opposed to these kangaroo "war crimes" tribunals which are just good ole fashioned "victors justice". So much hypocrisy.

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Unlimited

Amen to that!

femdomdestiny

Kosovo is that already. I was watching American Black Hawks bringing weapons to Kosovo and Albainas back in 1998.Same they did In Bosnia while they were helping Mujahedins there.... now thinkg about 9/11. Germany made war in Ex Yugoslavia, Americans were not sure what to do, later they did same in Kosovo. Hope Russia will be strong enough to drive away muslims supported by USA since Serbia is already lost.

TubeTitans_SusieQ

wow, thats news....

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Klen

I just readed how he was alternative doctor,and they showed his pic.He look totaly different.
Funny thing he even have website: http://www.psy-help-energy.com/
Unsual proffesion for such person.

Zverka

nope he's adult webmaster

proof http://psy-help-energy.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1

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Ha ha who knows maybe he runs one of those high traffic ilegall tube sites.

he-fox

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HdMOG3gJvYs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Id4wt...eature=related

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hj25i...eature=related

The Srebrenica massacre.

How can you sustain as a human being that what happened there was right and it should not be blamed nor punished, is beyond belief.
But it's obvious that you're just a tool in the hands of propaganda. Go crawl back under your rock and be ashamed, dumbass.

For the record, those mujahedin animals, croats, bosnians and all the atrocities that happened in a European country in the 90's are equally beyond belief and to be blamed. Fucking animals and weak minds in the hands of puppet masters.

ADL Colin

Commy Ruskies were WAY scarier than terrorist Muslims.

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buzzy

Srebrenica was one of the biggest disasters of the late 20th century, hope this man hangs.

femdomdestiny

I was sitting in my room, hour ago with older friend who was in war in Bosnia on Yugoslav Army side. Kadarzic didn't had influence on things in Srebrenica, and General Ratko Mladic did. He said that it is true what happened in Srebrenica, completely, and that people killed there were poor , ordinary people. UN forces from Netherlands who should protect them withdraw like pussies like they did every time when there were danger for them. Also, he know general Mladic and told that until that moment, he was perfect soldier, with honor, and he treated POW very good. Also, Milosevic tryed to send his people to kill him, but they were unsuccessful. He simply stopped listening to orders and did that Srebrenica shit on his own hand. Also, what is strange regarding his opinion is that other military personel took that order from him, and didn't killed him. I am just writing you what one serious Serbian solder was telling me (He was shoot twice, once by part of hand granate) so this should be true since he is supporting arrest of Karadzic. But story is not over there, it seems that Mladic went crazy after death of his daughter and after saw Muslim massacre led by Naser Oric where Serbs were slaughtered(very near Srebrenica).

Of course Naser Oric recently was let out from Hague tribunal since they told he wasn't guilty, which will tell you enough should any honest man can trust fake tribunal. I've also asked him how serbs that were slaughtered before Srebrenica by Muslims simply waited for that and he told me next: Dutch army were there and suppose to protect civilians on both sides (Like they didn't in Srebrenica) but they didn't of course, and Serbs thought that they would and payed that with their lives. My friend is telling me that scenes there were terrible and that is what made retaliation.

Now, you know why Netherlands want Serbs blamed so badly because they need someone to be quilty for those incidents, not to blame them.

There are many very bad things happened in that war. He was telling me about incident where he witnessed in war in Croatia.Young Serbian women was raped all night, and she was pregnant. They were near croat soldiers but couldn't attack during night. In the morning, when they entered church, she was sliced and leaved to hang with her child hanging from her sotmach.
Yes, they found those croat soldiers later since they knew their names, and he didn't wanted to tell me what they did to them (killed them,of course, bot who knows obn what way).

So it just depends on what side you are, once killing start, it will hardly stop. Prroblem is that USA and European countries gave weapons to people in ex Yugoslavia and pushed them in war.

just a punk

Would be interesting to hear some sane arguments on WHY have you came to this conclusion?

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cykoe6

I would guess it came after a careful review of the movie "Red Dawn."

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Phil

I wonder if those were “good Muslims” vs. the “bad one” US fighting in Iraq. Of course they were.. We all know they would never kill. When minority Serbs took arms it was genocide against muslims, but when Kosovo thugs went on cleansing party in the name of Allah it was “struggle for independence and identity”..

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femdomdestiny

Exactly,those are double standards that USA and EU are using. There are no good guys in the world, so I think that is very stupid to hide behind reasons of humanity in any government affairs. I remember that name of NATO operation was Merciful Angel. What irony...when americans saw that they couldn't beat Serbian army like it was planned (they were bombing fake tanks,aromored cariers and airplanes), they decided to shoot civilians...so they bombed market places with cassete bombs (town of Nis), train full of people (Grdelicka Klisura), bombed civilian factories (Car manufacturer Zastava),power plants and bridges.,...double standard, Like I told,and every single country in the world with resposnsible government toward it's own people know that weapons is only thing that counts at the end....every other storiy is a lie...unfortunatelly, of course.

Kudles

That sucks getting arrested

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TheJimmy

skin him slowly in the desert + wet leather straps + cut off eyelids + red ants on genitals = almost enough to make it a fair retaliation on this piece of degenerate sub-human tissue...

-- ask me how I really feel...

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l0lf4c3

You are a crazy fucking idiot man.

So what if america is the same as karadzic ? for that reason you would free him ? he is a bastard who killed a lot of families, innocent people. he deserves to get DRY DP AND DT for the rest of his miserable life.

this shit is now solved, hopefully the american shit will be solved in the next 100 years as well...

just a punk

I don't think Bush will live 100 years to be sued for his crime. What was a reason to invade Iraq and kill 1000's civilian people there? Fake 3D pictures? So if Karadzic will provide the same sort of excuse? I.e. if he show judge some fake pictures of all those ppl. working on WMD's at their homes. Will he be considered not guilty like Mr. Bush?

Some people have to pull their heads out of sand

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l0lf4c3

i still would not tell that bush is the only one guilty there

money and 'contracts' can talk

and now im not talking about bush paying, but others (we can say: individuals) to the usa and bush (and the others before)

SpicyM

I agree with you in most. The tribunal is a masquerade, as Karadzic said.

SpicyM

I have been asking myself this question for a long time..

When are they finally going to judge the UN/Holland soldiers those just allowed the masacre? They were looking at it and did nothing.. The whole UN organisation is a joke.