Hang on a minute... ugh! ... *plop* ... sorry for the delay, my head was really jammed up my ass this time. It was so stupid of me to actually think that an Internet company CAN have long term plans. Why should I think about the revenue I'll generate next year? Fuck it! NOW baby!

If you need popups so bad get out of this business understand?

No, both me and manga we stay here and we'll keep beating the surfer until he bleeds. Keep masturbating him with your popup free sites and the ultra clean galleries. :321GFY

Hi Fatpad how are you? Maybe that was a rude way to put what I meant.

For instance someone mentioned "Let's make banner killers, etc etc" Well if you stop for a minute and think, that is very possible. I'm the queen of expecting the worst in any situation just from my personal experience. We should all have a backup plan for when that day comes. Only the ones who think ahead far enough will survive.

Only my piddly two cents...


OH and Slits, you're such a fag :321GFY I love ya... haha

I dislike popups as do most people, you like them - fine! In a year or two they will be finished. Once IE puts it on their browser thats the end of it. So enjoy your popup hells and make as much as you can now.

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Sly_RJ,

I think that she just meant that the Internet is ever chaning. There will always be good money in on-line porn, but no single business model seems to last that long. Someone is always inovating, changing the rules of the game, etc.

We certainly have long term plans, but the truth is that those plans will probably change 10 times in the next 5 years as the industry changes, inovations are developed, competition increases, etc.

The smart companies just keep changing with the times...

RRRED,

How many ceiling tiles did you count this weekend? :thumbsup

As many as the air hairs you had to pluck to prevent constipation :)

I think she means ASS HAIRS :)

I knew what she *meant*, and it IS true. Just had to give her some shit for implying that I had my head up my ass. :winkwink:

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Sly_RJ,

By the looks of how everyone is responding to my latest and greatest idea....it looks like I'm the one with my head up my ass! :)

At least I'm man enough to admit it and take the heat :)

Can't say the same for InsideTheGame

Sorry about that Sly.... I skimmed the thread so fast i didn't really pay attention to who said what.

Ken, do I need to kick your dialers ass? ;)

Honestly I don't understand some people. Are you a webmaster or a surfer?

Who gives a shit if popups can be annoying for web surfers or not? Since consoles can increase my profits up to 20% I'm going to use them "until the end". Wtf, even yahoo has popups. Whatever makes me more money and is inside the borders of legality and my personal ethics I'm gonna use it to generate more revenues. Plain and simple.

Ken I personally think its a good idea and I don't think it would have a huge affect on the industry
but on the other hand it just doens't feel right.
its not really about the affect it will have or money it can make but the idea of launching something that we all have built business relationships on and thats traffic deals.

why support something that we all have invested alot of time in (exits) and built relationships on you know what I mean.

I guess it just rubs people the wrong way.

I think it would be something that would work well on mail traffic or SC traffic where people are looking for it. but shouldn't be promoted directly on exits.

I see your point and the webmasters point.

I personally don't like the idea of it.
but then again if I could target it right maybe i would try to capitalize on it if I knew it were surfers who don't want exits but I wouldn't want to educate them on it either.

Not sure if any of this made sense but thats my take on it.

Ken your a great guy and i will continue to promote you
I'm sure you will make the right choice on what your affiliates recomend.
thats whats so great about these public boards you get the feed back right away :winkwink:

I'm sure the people who purchase it wouldn't pay for porn anyway
do you have any stats on how its been performing?

As you can see I have mixed feelings on it.

We all know the fact that consoles and popups generate more revenue. Cashquest knows it and that's why they has 4-5 popups on their sites. And that's why they won't answer those who asked them why it's such a contradiction for them to promote a popup killer program when they use consoles themselves.

For those who say that popups will be dead once IE kills them. I don't give a damn. I use *one* console as an alternative with 4free programs and make money with it. And I will continue to do it until the popups die.

I believe Cashquest will also use consoles until they do die. It will eventually, that's for sure.

But do you see tobacco companies upselling nicotine patches? I don't think so. Well, it's possible, but they will never tell anyone. That would be horrible marketing tactics.

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Roger,

Thanks for the good words. Sounds like you and I actually have the same take on this. I feel like I don't want PAYING surfers to find out about it, but I would love to sell the shit out of it to all the free loading surfers who never sign-up for a paysite.

Anyway.....it's looking like more people don't like it than do so I'm pretty sure we'll be taking it down :)

Too bad. In a way its good that so many of the people overreacting on this thread can't see the big picture. Dinosaurs die. Those that evolve survive.

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NoCarrier,

Actually, I thought I had answered that quesiton. I LOVE consoles, that's why they are still on our sites. They make us a lot of money.

My only arguement is that this is a great way to make money off of people who will NEVER join a paysite.

And.....call me crazy, but a Tobacco company selling nicotine patches wouldn't be a bad idea.

Lot's of people will always smoke, so they will always make money on them.

Some people will try to quit, but will fail, so they will make twice the money of them.

Some people will try to quit and succeed, so they will make some money on them, instead of a different company selling them the same damn patch.

I'm not saying that Tobacco companies should advertise a patch right alongside a pack of ciggeretes, but selling a patch to people who are going to buy one anyway makes sense to me.....

Roger,

Thanks for the good words. Sounds like you and I actually have the same take on this. I feel like I don't want PAYING surfers to find out about it, but I would love to sell the shit out of it to all the free loading surfers who never sign-up for a paysite.

Anyway.....it's looking like more people don't like it than do so I'm pretty sure we'll be taking it down :) [/B][/QUOTE]


Is there anyway you can make it so it only kills mainstream pops?

Now thats something I think we would all support. Something to think about.

they try to screw us we should build something to screw them

like a code word if it doesn't have the word sex in the exit it kills it or something to that effect. LOL

:winkwink:

I'm fairly well acquainted with Ken and respect him as a businessman. I cannot believe for one minute that CashQuest would promote anything that would deliver a serious blow to the adult industry as a whole, and I'm certain that a lot of thought went into the decision. Also, the fact remains that if surfers don't get the software from CQ affiliates, they'll get it elsewhere, so why not make a buck if you can.

On the other hand, as someone who uses and understands the value of consoles, the whole concept of "killer" software is bothersome to me, not just the new CQ software.

We have the mainstream net to thank for this. Once again, they've "borrowed" an idea from the adult side and carried things WAY to far. I get hit with tons of consoles at virtually every mainstream site I visit... adult sites are tame by comparison! It's handy for the mainstream people to blame adult sites for consoles, but I'd be very curious to know how many non-porn surfers had ever seen a console up until a year or so ago when mainstream started overusing them. Seems to me they've created their own market.

At any rate, promote CQ's software if you want to, don't promote it if you don't want to... it's really that simple. Gigi was merely the messenger, and I think it was pretty rude to rip her apart for doing her job. I hope Ken will give things a couple of weeks to settle down before deciding to pull this option from his affiliate program. Somehow 24 hours just doesn't seem like a long enough test period to me.

Just my pair of shiny copper discs :)

aol is NOT blocking consoles.. if you would have continued reading what aol is doing they are no longer SELLING popup advertisements... you know.. the ones that show up as soon as you log in to aol?

Yeah thats already been pointed out hooper.
But you did hear about earthlink...right :)

As an affiliate.. I don't like it. I make over 10k a month from consoles, the longer it takes for them to be eliminated, the better.

Plus, your logic about most surfers not pulling out their credit card for porn really doesn't hold up. They will also not pull out their credit cards for this either. The cheap guys will have found a free version of a pop up killer.

According to your own program, pop ups are worth $8-$13 for each sale. This seems really short sighted to me.

Looks like I'm late to the party...

AOL and Earthlink? No real comparison in the number of users, especially porn users. I can search our client emails and find the proportion of one to the other.

I am not in favor of this, one of the ways that per join programs pay decent payouts to webmasters is and has been that they use their exit traffic to make it back up.

No, I don't think that Ken has the market reach to make a huge dent in the situation. However I do think that this is something that probably wasn't thought through clearly prior to launch.

And using it as the end console on a chain, that seems to relate to the guys that were tossing up the scripted page with the users hard drive on it in order to sell them the eraser products.

Wenchy SHIT! Long time no see... I see you got something interesting that you're promoting there. Wanna trade some traffic? We have a few console spots open. At least if Ken doesn't ruin it for everyone....

Uhm, Ken? This is really dumb you know. If you don't take that shit down, you're going to be taking ALOT more cold showers.... case closed dork :)

Anyway, Wenchy can you icq me tomorrow or later tonight?

In your ass frogboy :321GFY

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Thanks for the good words Wenchy! Good to see you around :)

earthlink? they have a popupblocker?

damn i'm behind the times ;-)

Its ok..your are a busy kidd :)

just dont let it happen again :thumbsup

what about this idea no coments?

Is there anyway you can make it so it only kills mainstream pops?

Now thats something I think we would all support. Something to think about.

they try to screw us we should build something to screw them

like a code word if it doesn't have the word sex in the exit it kills it or something to that effect. LOL

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Damn RRRed....I was just trying to earn enough money to pay for your never ending appetite for new shoes :)

I'm willing to take a little heat on the boards, but I'm NOT willing to take ANY more cold showers!!!!!

I guess the decesion has been made. KillThatConsole just got KILLED :)

Anything is possible!!! :)

good decision ken.

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Great Idea Roger! I'll talk to the programmers and see if that's possible.....

I run some TGPS, and hence don't use popups. I also believe that surfers who are treated to a popup hell when clicking a sponsor banner, are less likely to click a second time. This reduces CTR, and cuts into my bottom line.
That was my webmaster point of view, as a surfer they piss me off when more then 1 opens.

Yahoo uses 1 popup, ok I actually think 0-1 popup is ok. Do you see yahoo chain 12 together then unload the surfer to offshoreclicks or some bullshit?
Popups are a neat idea but they are being abused. If the choice is every site with loads of popups or none, I would select none. We ruined them, so I look forward to the day they are no more.

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Thanks Hooper......can't win them all :)

What bottom line gallery boy?

Thanks for the kind words Wenchy!

I haven't seen you around for quite some time! Where have you been hiding??

Well, there you have it folks....the masses have spoken and Ken has listened....

Now, any bets on what Ken will come out with next?? :eyecrazy

Damn man!!!

That's big balls.....all so RRRED can have more shoe's :)
Gotta say tho....
When cashquest affiliates talk...Ken listens.... :)

he should relaunch it and only kill mainstream pops

this way the adult webmasters would only use his program

There is one model that never changes. Put out a decent site with decent content that's not simply a conglomeration of plugins with a nifty new front end, price it reasonably, and update it regularly.

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Actually, the masses got my attention, but RRRed laid the law down and made it a no brainer :)

Truthfully, we also got quite a few e-mails today from our affiliates, which made the decision easy. I would say that more hated the idea than liked it by about 70/30, so we have to go with the numbers and do what our affiliates want.....

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I agree with that. One thing that's always been true with CashQuest sites, we really try to give the surfer a lot of value inside of our sites with lots of updates, exclusive pics, etc

LOL poor Gigi... Nice job taking the swings, woman. You're a class act. I'm a big baby when that happens to me.

Slits, all the better to kick you with my dear :)

Anyways I've thrown my own traffic at it doesn't convert for shit. I'm sure there are tons of ways to capitalize on newer surfers retardedness....

Ken, what time is it? *duck

Even though I pulled their ads months and months ago, I've got 2 JimmySurf recurring members that won't cancel and I've made a whopping $50 out of them so far!

Did anyone else actually make any money from JimmyBucks?

Woooohooooo!

I'm hoping for something new with wagering.com -- it's football season, hockey season, baseball is still going and basketball starts next week...

There is alot of adult traffic that should be crossover traffic for that type of thing, and shouldn't ruffle any feathers so long as it's legal.

I love when you talk about traffic! :)

How is that any better? Just because it doesn't affect YOUR bottom line? Christ...

Hey gigi, I haven't read all this thread, and don't have time too - but I was wondering how much money Cash Quest has made off exit consoles? Hundreads of thousands? Millions? Why in the world would you offer such a program? And you can't say you're loosing profits to the other exit killer programs, they are competition for you, in that they are taking away potential sign ups, not taking away potential revenue for having an exit killer.

Blah.

Cheers,
Matt

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Kimmy,

You had to remind me about good old wagering.com! We lost a fortune on that site when we had it up. Having a gaming resource site is a tough biz...

I would love to get into gambling, but I like to sleep at night :)

I'm open to all ideas though. Right now, we're just sending it to a search page :(