We gotta make some consoles with subliminar messages: "I love pop-ups" and "consoles are your friends, gimme your hand and let's take a walk jumping and singing".

why not just set your security to high and no consoles.... and its free..... also most firewalls can do the trick and there are alot of free ones at download.com

man surfers must feel stupid when they find out they used cash on a useless piece of software :1orglaugh

There are no popups on collegefuckfest. :thumbsup

I wonder.... How soon until some clones of KTC get released?
Just like what happend with Internet Eraser?
:warning

This inspires me:

Adult.com annouces "The Libido Killer Program", amazing software that replaces any porn pics you run across with pictures of food.

I can't believe an adult company would push a console killer. What a fucking stupid idea. You want to go with the times and help adult webmasters? Then come up with some code that we can put on our sites that kills the console killers. I would gladly pay for something like this.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Those two short paragraphs exemplify damn near everything that is wrong with this industry.

Then you can sell the "pictures of food" space to McDonald's, they promote their products and you make millions !

mmm, tacos

it does look like a taco from the side:winkwink:

You know... you're right. Another marketing scam. Honesty can not be found anymore. Shit.

I think it's Sleazy who says something along the lines of "if you can't sell to TGP surfers, your product/service sucks." It's always been my theory that if you can't sell your product without scamming or honest marketing, then your product sucks.

What do you guys think? Do you really need to fuck someone over or scam them to make a buck?

Sunshine :)

That is just one example of marketing KTC.

A simple text link, or banner on a page, or even one console with a KTC ad would be just as effective IMHO.

Indeed. Which is why I won't promote this. ;) $39.99 plus $10/month for something they can get for free is a ripoff. Just like most of the paysites people promote, and a lot of the products people push.

It is just another in a long list of adult programs selling crap to surfers to make a quick buck.

Sly, hit me up on ICQ, please. 44737242.

I agree how much do you guys make off your exits?

Programs like this we can all capatolize on but is it good for our business in the long run.

People complain but they still click and join off exits if they didn't we would all drop our exits.:2 cents:

soon we will have no exits and no rebills then what?

A bunch of great sites with great content that people actually WANT to resign up for month after month! Woohooo! The day is coming!

I can tell you that exit console $ is one of the main ways pay per signups make $. Be they SIC CASH, ARS, Max Cash, etc.


By having other companies, selling this software, to the same surfers who join our sites off exits, could potentially be a negative to alot of people. I would hope other affiliate programs do not promote this for the few $ it could make them. Think down the long run.

BTW, got a spam from Gamma just now promoting another console killer program.

Wow...I figured we would get a mix of responses about this....some good, some bad.

Here's the deal.....

This concept was first mentioned to me about 6 months ago. I didn't like it at all and wanted nothing to do with it.

Then I saw that Earthlink is offering it for free and AOL had plans to do the same. Those are the two largest ISP's in the US.

If you guys think that our little program is going to even but a tiny dent in your business, then you're giving us way too much credit. We don't have that kind of market reach :)

The bottom line is that I want to make as much money on consoles as possible, just like the rest of you. But, if someone is going to buy or use console killing software, then I want them to buy it from us and I want our affiliates to make a little money from it.

At CashQuest...it's all about choices.

1. You can choose to promote our tours with consoles

2. You can choose to promote out tours without consoles

3. You can promote a console killer program if it makes sense for YOU to do so.

As you'll notice....we're not pushing the KillThatConsole program on our tours or consoles. We certainly don't want to PUSH people too this.

However, there are situations where this might be a good item to sell. For example, what are the chance of a surfer who's on the 5th console of a TGP site actually buying a membership somewhere?

We need to remember, the VAST majority of surfers never pull out their credit cards to buy an adult membership. THAT is the target customer for this product......

With all due respect, I don't care what the owners of other webmaster programs think about our program, but I do care about what our affiliates think.

If we get more negative feedback from our affiliates than positive, we'll pull the program. Afterall, it's all about making our affiliates happy.....

I think too much is being made of this.


Ever tried to surf lately. Theres so many consoles that its unbearable, and perhaps even worse on mainstream sites.

Sure active scripting can be turned off for free or some other free program can be used, but if surfers are dumb enough to pay 40 bucks let them.

If anything, most adult paysites are more a "scam" that charge 40 bucks a month with some shit members area and use confusing terms to keep rebilling them. With this thing at least surfers know what they are getting for their money.


Things are tighteing up in this industry because of abuse and lack of self regulation. Consoles have been so abused the last few years its ridiculous. Never-ending chains, full screen, and various other browser crashing trickery.

Because surfers want it dosent make it a bad thing. Such as their wanting of free porn. The difference is, this ain't free and they have to pay 40 + bucks.

Yeah thats a great idea....give it away for free so the webmaster can't make any cash!!

I would rather take the cash now, rather than have some one take it from me.

Guess it doesnt bother you that earthlink and aol are already making plans to block all your consoles.

Hey Ken!

I sent an email in your direction yesterday...did it find its way to you?

:thumbsup

There's got to be a way to kill these console killers. I know there was some code you could put on your pages to kill a lot of the scumware that stole your text links. Surely there's some code that can be used to kill these fucking console killers.

Zayne,

I was at the AWE show all weekend, so I'm a little behind on e-mail. I'll make sure and look for it though :)

Manga1 - We're working on this as well! :)

So why your paysites are pop up hells? Just visited one of your paysites and was hit by like 3 consoles which I closed very fast.

Cool! :winkwink:

"With all due respect, I don't care what the owners of other webmaster programs think about our program, but I do care about what our affiliates think. "

Say Ken aren?t you the same guys that rants on and on about how big companies are very dependent on one another in this ?special" business. Now you offer a product that cuts right at these"partners" bottom lines.How ya gonna make those traffic trades Ken...how ya gonna reciprocate when more of your surfers apply this product your promoting.This hasn?t been a mixed reaction Id say its been a down right HOSTILE reaction to a company that webmasters thought were on their side.Pull it now..you dont need the Lensman DVD player.

I use one to block only certain ones, like the fucking orbitz ad that pops up on the washingtonpost.com

Ones that kill all popups are stupid.

Hey Ken, with all due respect, I'm a longtime affiliate, I've defended you and your company on this very board, and I think this fucking sucks.

Also, the article I read said specifically that AOL is not offering console killing software, they are removing some consoles from their site.

Why don't you try that avenue instead. Remove your consoles instead of trying to remove other people's.

This is way below Cashquest.

Yea lets just throw our hands up and give in..and your in this to make money<cough>

Ken,

Are you the guy that is going to take away my 1K $ per day worth of amateur exit console traffic sales? I am not even speaking about our other exit console profits.

This is crap.

http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/st...02002083.shtml

Also, ads covered by existing contracts will continue for the duration of the contracts and, unlike some of its competitors, AOL is not offering its customers a way to block pop-up ads when they venture beyond AOL pages to visit Internet sites not controlled by AOL.

Its not just the marketing, the whole thing has a sorta 'picking on retards' feel to it. :winkwink: If someone is ignorant enough to pay $40 + $9 recurring for a friggin popup killer program, taking advantage of them is pretty low.

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i can't believe I missed this thead - I've got soo much to say but just feels too late to make a proper impact on it.........damn.....

I think that sums it up.

Yeah thats a great idea....give it away for free so the webmaster can't make any cash!!

I would rather take the cash now, rather than have some one take it from me.

Guess it doesnt bother you that earthlink and aol are already making plans to block all your consoles.

"Its not just the marketing, the whole thing has a sorta 'picking on retards' feel to it. If someone is ignorant enough to pay $40 + $9 recurring for a friggin popup killer program, taking advantage of them is pretty low."


And how is this different from adult mega paysites?


Waaaay too much is being made of this.

Because cashquest, a company probably 99% of the net never heard of, launches a pop up killer its the end of the adult net?

Get a grip. Best plan is to get as many dumbass surfers to shell out the money, then come up with ways to defeat these pop up killers.

InsideTheGame - Your opinion isn't worth shit. Your an anon poster who doesn't have the balls to let people know who you are, but you always like to act like you know what's what. How would you know what I rant and rave about?

The guys we do traffic trades with don't give two shits about this. Our little program isn't going to change anything. You guys are giving us way too much credt.

Earthlink will make a dent......not us.

Mr. Fiction - Your opinion IS valuable to me and I'll take it seriously as an affiliate of ours. We launched this for our affiliates to promote. If our affiliates don't like it, we'll kill it. Simple as that.....

I'll let this thread go on for the rest of the day and make a decesion tonight or tomorrow based on the overall feedback we get.

We always listen to our affiliiates and this will be no exception :)

Sorry about that double post.

I hit my back button too many times when trying to get out of console hell.... :)

Just read the stuff about aol. Still think too much is being made of this. Just another way to make some cash.

I definitely wouldn't parallel 'retards' with surfers who would probably not pull out their wallet for an adult paysite.

These are usually slick folks who know how much free porn there is online....

Good arguements on both sides but what I find frightening is that someone mentioned the words "long term business models"

YIKES!! Anyone who thinks anything on the net is long term have their heads FAR up their asses.

Actually.....Ya know... I was kinda thinking that we should stop promoting dating sites. Once you get your surfers all pussy whipped, they never have the time or money anymore to surf porn. :eek7

:smokin But then again, as someone mentioned with their analogy, I smoke cigs with a nicotine patch on....

Im not worried about you making a dent. There's nothing I can do about Earthlink killing consoles.


What bothers me is that you are actively promoting a way to reduce my revenue, and the revenue of ALL the people you do business with.

That's a lot like spitting us in the face....

:(

Some of us can make money without popups, shithead. I can't wait for web browsers to have a popup killer option. Get out of this business if you need the sleazy tricks to make a buck.

You Do realize you get paid for sales???
I mean come on man. : )

You must be kidding me...

Rrred!

You still trying to quit smoking? Good for you!

I haven't made another attempt just yet....but I plan to really soon....

Any tips on smoking with the patch still on? Sounds like it would be a good buzz....hehehehehe

:stoned

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Dr.Guile,

If we were promoting this in mass e-mail and putting it on our consoles, I could see your point....but we're not.

All I'm saying is that I think there is a time and a place to promote a program like this. The majority of surfers out there take advantage of free porn and never sign-up to a paysite. That is the TARGET market for something like this.....

Depends on the mega paysite in question.

Quite a few mega-paysites I've seen are plugin farms with very little of the gargantuan quantities of exclusive, original pictures and movies promised on the tour. In those cases the scam is no different.

If a paysite is done right it offers the surfer a unique experience which they cannot get for free no matter how much time they spend on TGP's or Kazaa. In that case, the difference is obvious. On one hand you have a grossly overpriced, worthless product which is only going to piss the surfer off when they find out they could have gotten it for free. On the other you have a legtimate entertainment business which provides a good product at a fair price.

Well said RRRED!

This business changes so fast. IF you arent changing or innoviating with the times, you are dead.

Anyone who can create another way for me to make cash is A OK in my book. (legally of course) :)

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