What would the US look like if native Americans had kept the land? - GoFuckYourself.com

Matt 26z · 06-01-2008, 04:23 AM

A tribe so isolated from civilization that they've never had contact with anyone from Columbus to us today has been found in Brazil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7426794.stm

Here they are trying to attack the plane

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7426869.stm

You hear native Americans talk about how the white man stole their land and how they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, what you see above is how the indians would still be living today. That sort of thing is proof of what happens when whites don't have their hands in the development of an area. NOTHING HAPPENS. Entire populations remain, by definition, stone men.

StuartD · 06-01-2008, 04:26 AM

"What would the US look like if native Americans had kept the land?"

Seriously, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
MAYBE if no one ever made contact with the native Americans... MAYBE.
But it's not like a continent of people would go unnoticed by the rest of the world until now.
They'd still be exporting fish, lumber, crops... and importing beer.

polish_aristocrat · 06-01-2008, 04:32 AM

read that story 2 days ago

these guys might be actually happier than the average American with a $200k mortgage on his home

Matt 26z · 06-01-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

"What would the US look like if native Americans had kept the land?"

Seriously, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
MAYBE if no one ever made contact with the native Americans... MAYBE.
But it's not like a continent of people would go unnoticed by the rest of the world until now.
They'd still be exporting fish, lumber, crops... and importing beer.

Possibly, but they were many thousands of years behind the development of the rest of the world (they were still in the stone age when whitey took the land). We've been trying to help develop Africa for decades and that isn't working. It seems like something that can't be forced by outside cultures. So I'm not too confident that Europeans would have ever been able to work with an alternative America.

Socks · 06-01-2008, 04:43 AM

It would be way more Mexican.. They would have invaded for sure

pocketkangaroo · 06-01-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Possibly, but they were many thousands of years behind the development of the rest of the world (they were still in the stone age when whitey took the land). We've been trying to help develop Africa for decades and that isn't working. It seems like something that can't be forced by outside cultures. So I'm not too confident that Europeans would have ever been able to work with an alternative America.

They were hardly in the stone age. They had sophisticated tools and cultures. They were the first to learn how to grow what is now the most important crop in the world. Having guns and a better immune system doesn't make another group part of the stone age.

As for Africa, we haven't tried to develop that at all. We just pillage it for their natural resources. Look at what the diamond companies have been doing. Look at what we do in Tanzania with their fish. It also has a much tougher time catching up because of the harsh climates and lack of transportation.

potter · 06-01-2008, 04:59 AM

holy shit this is crazy!

IllTestYourGirls · 06-01-2008, 05:23 AM

I would not doubt that one bit

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

read that story 2 days ago

these guys might be actually happier than the average American with a $200k mortgage on his home

CurrentlySober · 06-01-2008, 05:43 AM

Here's what the same tribe would look like had the Americans found THEM !!! Hmmmmmm...................

Odin · 06-01-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They were hardly in the stone age. They had sophisticated tools and cultures. They were the first to learn how to grow what is now the most important crop in the world. Having guns and a better immune system doesn't make another group part of the stone age.

As for Africa, we haven't tried to develop that at all. We just pillage it for their natural resources. Look at what the diamond companies have been doing. Look at what we do in Tanzania with their fish. It also has a much tougher time catching up because of the harsh climates and lack of transportation.

Talk about white guilt. lol. Get with reality you idiot. It's not fair to say white people are naturally superior, but certainly as a result of their situation and geography they build a far superior civilization. Remember, at various points in history many others had superior civilizations to Europe to, it's a fact. Idiots like you who try to claim that somehow all cultures and civilizations are equal are a joke.

TheDoc · 06-01-2008, 06:06 AM

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Talk about white guilt. lol. Get with reality you idiot. It's not fair to say white people are naturally superior, but certainly as a result of their situation and geography they build a far superior civilization. Remember, at various points in history many others had superior civilizations to Europe to, it's a fact. Idiots like you who try to claim that somehow all cultures and civilizations are equal are a joke.

What are we naturally superior at? Last time I checked, every record, the money, whatever - is mixed between all races.

Now civilizations and culture... You and me both would be exactly like them if we were born in that situation. That's how 'superior' we are.

TheDoc · 06-01-2008, 06:08 AM

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Do they have shoes on?

Pleasurepays · 06-01-2008, 06:13 AM

hahaha... talk about a weird way of being racist and totally superior.

Odin · 06-01-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

What are we naturally superior at? Last time I checked, every record, the money, whatever - is mixed between all races.

Now civilizations and culture... You and me both would be exactly like them if we were born in that situation. That's how 'superior' we are.

I think you missed the word 'not' in my post.

TheDoc · 06-01-2008, 06:17 AM

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I think you missed the word 'not' in my post.

Ah.. Yep, sure did..

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-01-2008, 06:40 AM

I never knew material things like cars etc made one human superior to another

honestly.......this is a dumb thread

Many cultures would consider American culture barbaric and inferior... does that make it so? no

So lets see.... if the world were like those indians

We would not be facing doom from global warming

We would not have the ability to end all life on this planet with weapons of war

Millions would not die for the sake of oil

uh I could go on and on... its all a matter of perspective.

For all we know those indians in the picture could have the cure for cancer and aids.... but since they are not wearing armani....you call them infeior?

what a joke

get a clue

I guess I should thank my lucky stars I was born with a brain

Matt 26z · 06-01-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They were hardly in the stone age. They had sophisticated tools and cultures.

What were their sophisticated tools? Name JUST ONE that wasn't carved by hand out of stone, bone or wood.

Matt 26z · 06-01-2008, 06:52 AM

Let's put this into perspective.

Here we are exploring Mars, and being maybe two decades away from sending people there. Then you look at this photo of an isolated society and you see that flimsy grass huts and wooden stick weapons are their two biggest technological advancements.

I'll bet they haven't even invented the wheel yet. In fact, native Americans didn't know what a wheel was until Europeans showed them one.

kmanrox · 06-01-2008, 07:04 AM

give it 2-5 years and they'll be a 7-11, mcdonalds, starbucks a hotel and a tour company based there.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-01-2008, 07:08 AM

I find it fascinating
For instance.. why are they painted red? I imagine that they paint themselves red and yellow to thwart predators as red and yellow along with other colors mean danger in nature

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-01-2008, 07:12 AM

Or maybe the one in red has some seniority

TheDoc · 06-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Or maybe the one in red has some seniority

Mud, for bugs.

TheDoc · 06-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What were their sophisticated tools? Name JUST ONE that wasn't carved by hand out of stone, bone or wood.

Oh I bet they have some killer hunting tools and medicines for sure. Very sophisticated for the resources available to the people. And it's possible they melt different types of ores they find in rivers, for arrow heads, axes, ect.. It's all about what resources they have.

Just think of everything they know, that you don't. It's not like you can actually build an entire car, or even know how to - or could probably even explain it. Yet, these people, can make medicines - I'm sure most people reading this don't know dick about the subject.

gaymale · 06-01-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

A tribe so isolated from civilization that they've never had contact with anyone from Columbus to us today has been found in Brazil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7426794.stm

Here they are trying to attack the plane

You hear native Americans talk about how the white man stole their land and how they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, what you see above is how the indians would still be living today. That sort of thing is proof of what happens when whites don't have their hands in the development of an area. NOTHING HAPPENS. Entire populations remain, by definition, stone men.

You mean when Latin/Spanish men don't have their hands in things? Know what happened when the white men (read Uber race) got it wrong in 1914-1918, 1038-1945? The same as what is going on in Iraq. And yes I am white.

Drake · 06-01-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Let's put this into perspective.

Here we are exploring Mars, and being maybe two decades away from sending people there. Then you look at this photo of an isolated society and you see that flimsy grass huts and wooden stick weapons are their two biggest technological advancements.

I'll bet they haven't even invented the wheel yet. In fact, native Americans didn't know what a wheel was until Europeans showed them one.

The wheel was only invented in about two places - the Fertile Crescent (present day Middle East) and China. It may not even have been invented in China and instead transmitted there by people in the Fertile Crescent the way it was transmitted to Europe through conquest.

Western civilization (not to be confused with Western cultures) was the first to recognize and promote universal principles like human rights, freedom, equality, reason, and logic and is IMO superior to other civilizations, technologically and socially. Before Western civilization, other civilizations across the world in every continent (eg. Aztec in S. America, Minoan in Europe, Egypt in Africa, Shang Dynasty in China etc), were technologically and socially advanced at different times and in different ways, but none recognized all the principles above.

Thanks to philosophers like Socrates and arguably religions like Christianity, those bedrock principles of Western civilization spread (imperfectly, mind you) across Europe and from there to other continents. Nobody could have foreseen or predicted any of this. Yet we're all the beneficiaries of it and should be grateful.

But it's a bit of a stretch to compare some small isolated tribes and to speculate about how two entire continents would have developed. Who knows, the Mayan and Aztec cultures might have spread and killed off these small tribes or assimilated them. Those civilizations had more than spears and huts. They may not be sending rockets into space (history, culture, and religion influence our motivations to explore and the raw materials around us influence it as well) but they may not be living in huts either.

JamesK · 06-01-2008, 11:40 AM

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That sort of thing is proof of what happens when whites don't have their hands in the development of an area. NOTHING HAPPENS. Entire populations remain, by definition, stone men.

Honestly I don't understand why people would give a fuck about development. I bet the people here in modern area's have a more depressing life than those living in the jungle, isolated from the modern world.

People always act like development is a good thing, but sometimes it's best to not know everything. I've seen some of those tribes and they have the most beautiful traditions and culture. You don't see any of that here in the city.

Just my

gadabout · 06-01-2008, 11:42 AM

It looks like a good place to be to me. They are probably a lot happier then the salves most people have become to their crap.

notoldschool · 06-01-2008, 11:43 AM

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Here's what the same tribe would look like had the Americans found THEM !!! Hmmmmmm...................

payd2purv · 06-01-2008, 11:45 AM

Dirty F · 06-01-2008, 12:10 PM

Yeah youre right. Nowadays we are civilized which would never have happened otherwise.

Dirty F · 06-01-2008, 12:11 PM

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The one covered in black paint kinda scares me. It could be the devil from the Exorcist.

dav3 · 06-01-2008, 02:11 PM

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	What would the US look like if native Americans had kept the land? A tribe so isolated from civilization that they've never had contact with anyone from Columbus to us today has been found in Brazil. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7426794.stm Here they are trying to attack the plane http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7426869.stm You hear native Americans talk about how the white man stole their land and how they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, what you see above is how the indians would still be living today. That sort of thing is proof of what happens when whites don't have their hands in the development of an area. NOTHING HAPPENS. Entire populations remain, by definition, stone men.

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pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	I never knew material things like cars etc made one human superior to another honestly.......this is a dumb thread Many cultures would consider American culture barbaric and inferior... does that make it so? no So lets see.... if the world were like those indians We would not be facing doom from global warming We would not have the ability to end all life on this planet with weapons of war Millions would not die for the sake of oil uh I could go on and on... its all a matter of perspective. For all we know those indians in the picture could have the cure for cancer and aids.... but since they are not wearing armani....you call them infeior? what a joke get a clue I guess I should thank my lucky stars I was born with a brain Last edited by pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-01-2008 at 06:42 AM..

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Let's put this into perspective. Here we are exploring Mars, and being maybe two decades away from sending people there. Then you look at this photo of an isolated society and you see that flimsy grass huts and wooden stick weapons are their two biggest technological advancements. I'll bet they haven't even invented the wheel yet. In fact, native Americans didn't know what a wheel was until Europeans showed them one. Last edited by Matt 26z; 06-01-2008 at 06:54 AM..

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