xxweekxx

http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2008/ce051308.htm

Ok this guy robbed banks and made off with close to $3k but does he deserve 72yrs in federal prison?

I love how USA adds charges.. You commit one crime and they can make it 10 charges, each with X10 year in prison..

Now watch someone go kill someone and get only 15yrs in prison..

I know some people will say he deserved it.. but america has the highest incarceration rate, yet we dont have the lowest crime by any stretch..

I check out court files/cases everyday and i see people handed sentences like they are getting handed water.. 10 years, 15 years, 25 years,etc. WTF?

I mean recently someone got like 10 years for using someone else's credit card. 10 YEARS??

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BradM

It was about making a statement to criminals. But now it's turning into soccer moms going to jail for rear ending someone for 45 years.

System overhaul needed.

xxweekxx

yup. they keep building more and more jails.. millions of people are in jail/prison...

Makes no sense at all

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rowan

If you read the press release you see he's a repeat offender, he was robbing banks a month after getting out of the slammer for... robbing banks. Who knows, this may not even be his second visit to jail, he could have been in there other times.

BTW: "$10.00 in the Rocky Mount robbery"

pornguy

the reason that they have to add on the more charges is to make sure that something sticks. to many people have walked because they have not been charged to the correct things, and the slick attorney gets them off.

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xxweekxx

rowan i know, but still if he was in the Uk/Canada he would get maybe 10yrs.. listen .. 72 YEARS!! thats what you get for first degree murder.

he didnt hurt anyone, he held them up and stole little money. It doesnt deserve 72 years thats all im saying

Even my criminal justice teacher last semester agreed that the usa legal system is fucked.. they are throwing STEEP jail sentences like thai whores throw pussy

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Kevsh

Yeah, that is steep. Basically his life is over.

I do think there is some merit to the 3 Strikes rule however - if I'm not mistaken, 3 serious convictions (felonies) and it's automatic lifetime. That seems fair: The 1st time, okay, you're young and stupid perhaps or just made a bad choice; 2nd time, you got a break but this is your last warning; 3rd time, it's obvious you're a career criminal - at least one in the making, you're out of here.

ztik

"All of these robberies occurred one month following HINTON'S release from federal prison following his 2003 conviction for a 2002 bank robbery in Greenville, North Carolina"

The guy gets out of prison for robbing banks and first thing he does is rob more banks.

They should just execute him imo

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xxweekxx

yeah tell that to the guys in california serving life sentences for drug crimes that REALLY arent that serious.. when someone commits a crime, give him a jail time equivalent to the CRIME..

SO you rob a bank 1st time = 5yrs, 2nd time = 5yrs, 3rd = 5yrs.

just cause someone does it 3rd time doesnt mean you give them life.

Its kinda like saying you get caught going 10mph over limit, you get 2 points, 2nd time you get caught, 2 points again, 3rd time you get caught, 20 points.. is that fair?

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xxweekxx

heh everyone is missing the point.. he made away with <$3k. he didnt HURT one single person. yet his life is over.. thats whats wrong with USA Justice.. TONS of people serving long jail sentences that should have been given 1/10 jail time they got.. Check out Prisontalk.com, see how judges are fucking giving out sentences.. kinda seems like they throw a dice and multiply the resulting numbers to get your jail time.

Maybe one judge should go serve one year and see how it feels, this way next time he is giving someone 10years for writing bad checks, he'll see the 10 years is too steep

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markz08

i see your point and i kinda agree with that but the fact that they commit something wrong is what they think about...whatever they did, how much did they get from it is not to be considered...that's life and that's how justice rule..

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BusterBunny

you are right there are many people getting a raw deal but this guy isn't one of them

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Puritans.......

btw. the whole USA is fucked up. Obesity, health care, economy, patriot act, laws, justice system. Why? Because Americans don't do nothing about anything. They like getting fucked in the ass and taken away ALL their freedom step by step.

Kevsh

To answer your last question, yes. Consider that laws are designed to define what a crime is, jail sentences are used for punishment, rehabilitation, as a deterrent and to keep the public safe. If a guy robs a bank for the 3rd time he's clearly demonstrated that a) the sentence has not been a deterrent, b) he hasn't been rehabilitated, c) he's still a threat to the public.

So while life imprisonment does not fit that single crime (the 3rd robbery) clearly, the existing punishment (say 5 years) hasn't had the desired effect. So at that point I think it's in the public's best interest, and to protect their constitutional rights, that the offender be taken off the streets for good.

And remember, life isn't usually "life" - he could be up for parole, sentenced reduced, etc. depending on how state laws are. Certainly I would agree that if a 22-year-old man is convicted of armed robbery for the 3rd time, he shouldn't necessarily be in jail until the day he dies.... But I wouldn't find it inappropriate if he served 25-35 or more for the 3rd offence.

Mr Pheer

not all states have a 3 strike rule. If that was the case, the drunk driver that did a felony hit-and-run on me and put me in a wheelchair for 4 months would have went away for life, instead of just getting three years probation.

When he hit me he was on probation for his second felony. What a fuckin joke

BusterBunny

the only one i have issue with is the dude taking the bottles from trash cans...someone with two strikes knows damn well they are fucked if they get caught committing a crime...so instead of stealing that slice of pizza pick up a cup and panhandle a buck to pay for it...or walk your lazy ass across town...it's not complicated, break the law and you get in trouble so don't...

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collegeboobies

You cant make a statement to criminals by sending them to jail longer. That just makes a statement to taxpayers that their money is wasted.

collegeboobies

ok panhandling is illegal in many places. homeless people walking across town can get you arrested in many places. what did you want him to do?

BusterBunny

walk to somewhere panhandling is legal...and you can't get arrested or charged with a crime for walking and being homeless, loitering mabye...if you got a link i'd love to read it

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you're a moron.

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xxweekxx

and you are a typical USA idiot..

Just wait till you do something minor, even by mistake, and find out you are facing 20 years in jail.. then usa wouldnt be fun anymore.


Something is wrong if as civilized as we are, we have the highest rate of imprisonment... what does that tell you? And we still have crimes galore... So maybe giving people 20 years for selling weed isnt really working for us?

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What would you suggest be done?

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pr0

no actually it makes perfect sense

you can keep the sheep thinking their "free" with a democracy

while throwing all the people who get out of line....into a hole for 20 years

so you can pretty much run a dictatorship by having a strong/unfair legal system

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dav3

Some Judges do get carried away with the number of years they throw at people. If you have the power to hand out jail sentences, you should be made to spend at least one night in a cell. Kinda like how cops have to take a stun gun or taser hit in training.

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xxweekxx

reduce jail time drastically.. someone needs to reaccess jail sentences.. the war on drugs isnt working either..Jail is for people who are a danger in society.. Tons of people in jail really dont belong there.

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You're a cocksucker. But thanks, was in the market for a new merchant account, I know of one to avoid.

xxweekxx

lol........

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pr0

nope...he actually has a good point, the man didn't hurt anyone

he shouldn't spend the rest of his life in prison

fluffygrrl

I personally don't quite get people who have children in the US. I don't know there's a bigger stain you can put on anyone other than US citizenship. Basically, it says the unfortunate afflicted is the chatel property of the US government.

Chinese citizenship is way better a deal, I think even Chat/Somali etc is marginally an improvement.

The average whore in a dilipidated town with a psychotic pimp still has a better deal than some putz having to deal with the IRS, the US tort and the rest of the legal system.

Think about it before having kids.

tony286

I was a watching a documentary and they showed since prisons got privatized sentences got longer. Makes you hmmmmm.

woj

How can you guys bitch that some criminal is put behind bars? The guy is obviously an idiot with zero respect for the law... not sure about you guys, but I'm glad idiots like these are behind bars... it's kinda a bitch that we have to pay for it, but it beats having morons like these walking the streets..

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fluffygrrl

The problem is that you start with the story (dangerous evil criminal guy put in jail) and then fit the facts to it (he robbed banks) rather than starting with the facts and then fitting the story to them.

BusterBunny

so he should be allowed to rob banks until someone finally gets in his way and he kills them to escape?..if you dont consider someone that will walk into a bank with an gun and rob it a dangerous criminal, what is?

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dav3

wow... that is FUCKED up!

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fluffygrrl

It IS a matter of degree. Lack of understanding degree leads to idiotic situations whereby, since, for instance, the punishment for rape is pretty much the same as for murder, it's nonsense for a rapist to not kill his victim.

Dangerous criminal ? Yes. Shooting ourselves in the foot ? Gladly.

And there's one little bit in there about, you know, a crime being a fact not a possibility. You might kill me tomorrow for all I know, but that alone constitutes no grounds for your incarceration. At least in my view.

BusterBunny

most rapists do it more than once and a large percentage of them do kill there victims or progress to killing them for their own pleasure...and most of the time these people have mental issues which cannot be cured...which is exactly why they give harsh penalties to them...even if a guy rapes once and would never do it again, it is worth it to keep him away for as long as possible...too bad so sad shouldn't have raped in the first place and are obviously a piece of shit...not to mention the fact rapists don't usually get life sentences for rapes unless they have already done it before....again that guy robbed multiple banks after being released for robbing banks...he was not convicted to life in prison for his first robbery its like his 5th or 6th...he was not convicted on the assumption he might do it again, he was convicted for actually doing it again.....and again.....and again.....and again................

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Word2348

was he black

Spunky

Hang the bastard

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BVF

My ex-wife's brother went to jail for four years for bank robbery....He wasn't out a year and robbed a few more...Then he got a 44 year sentence.....

I went to college, met my wife, had children, divorced the woman, and the kids will be grown a LONG time before that fool will get out....

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fluffygrrl

Ever stop to ask you how much of this is actual fact, and how much of it is just general FUD (fear, uncertainity and doubt) ?

Do you know this to be so, or is it just a convenient thing to presume ?

If one in a hundred people rapes somebody, and one in a thousand kills someone, and you start handing down life sentences to all rapists, ten twenty years down the road, you will have the funny situation whereby one in a hundred people kills somebody.

Which you will explain away as "mental conditions that can not be cured". Fact of the matter is your law increased murder cases 10x.


I just fail to see a nitwit robbing 3 banks to get 3k as a dangerous criminal.

For instance, the people who are right now managing to get away with having invented the "Exotic Financial Instruments" that pretty much fucked the country are dangerous criminals. The people going before the senate and lieing so as to get the country into a war it can not, and could never win, the people wheeling and dealing behind closed doors, with your fate and your entire neighbourhood's are the dangerous criminals.

And as long as your judges are busy with the intricate details of the biography of nitwits, they will get away.

Which is exactly what they want.

Supz

jail doesnt cure people, it makes them worse, you give someone 10 years +, you might as well give them life,

mike-al

When you get out of jail you have no money, what are you to do? I cant say I Know how it works, but i imagine you walk out the door and have about $200 check maybe from the 8 cents per hour you earned.... you have no family, you have nowhere to go... what do you do? The only thing you know... rob a bank....

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Paul Markham

It's pointless to have a law making bank robbing illegal. As is clearly illustrated here the law does not work because it did not stop this guy from robbing banks. There are thousands of banks already out there and thousands of criminals are going to rob them. So no need to have a law saying it's illegal to rob banks.

Then think of all the money you save not locking up people and finding them after they have robbed banks.

Using their legally owned guns that are not illegal as criminals do not worry about laws. Anyone who does not get my ironic/sarcastic humour can flame me for the above post.

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are you guys serious?

do you realize how much money flows thru the US Prison system every single year? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars.

there is no incentive for them to decrease crime because the jailers, the judges, the prison making companies, the prison guards then would all be out of a job.

the US prison system is setup to PROFIT, not enforce any kind of justice.

States having prisoners work for .11 cents a day while the state profits off their toil.
Innocent people being jailed and/or being sentences to death or life in prison
Judges pushing for maximum sentence for nonviolent crimes
Corrupt prison officals
tons and tons of problems in the US.

US = a police state

bloggingseo

Yeah the USA has a lot of problems, there is no doubt. The jails and prisons are overcrowding. But there are problems everywhere in the world. We are no different.

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