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MarkTiarra · 10-21-2002, 10:44 AM

I pose this to everyone:

Whether you believe that all this is predetermined or we are experiencing free will, is there anything that need be done but find joy and inner peace?

If it's all preordained then you might as well enjoy the ride since you're stuck on it.

If it's all something you get to choose from than why the heck not pick the happiest most joyous events?

All the theology and philosophy is great but it doesn't mean bupkiss if you are miserable.

Whatever you believe this is all about, I wish you the most joy. =]

Now I better go get some work done or I will have the very unjoyous experience of pissed off clients. =]

ps - Colin, I really encourage you to check out the Seth Speaks book. It addresses in detail many of the things you have posed.

ADL Colin · 10-21-2002, 10:49 AM

If it's all preordained, why do anything? Sit on your ass all day and read a book because that is what was going to happen anyway.

Seth Speaks. I promise to read it, if you promise not to abandon this thread for good. Maybe just take a break and get some work done. Come back later.

Wenchy · 10-21-2002, 11:11 AM

A quick thanks to Mark. I became aware of Seth when I read "The Nature of Personal Reality" several years ago. I inadvertantly skipped "Seth Speaks" at the time, and your posts here have encouraged me to get a copy ASAP.

MarkTiarra · 10-21-2002, 11:41 AM

Okay - had to stop back before lunch! lol

I meant I was leaving for the day to get work done. =] I gotta work on my communication skills!

Voodoo · 10-21-2002, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Firehorse

Voodoo I like the way you articulate your beliefs. They are very closely aligned withy my Buddhist and Native beliefs.

I agree everything is interconnected:

"Just a a drop of water causes ripples in a pond,
so a thought dropped into the pol of consciousness can cause ever-expanding ripples in the universal human mind."
- Jean Richards

"If you would like to know the effect choices have had on one's life, look at yourself - what you see is the choices you have made." Shad Helmsetter

"We cannot live only for ourselves.
A thousand fibres connect us with our fellow men; and among those fibres, as sympathetic threads, our actions run as causes, as they come back to us as effects." - Herman Melville

"When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe." - John Muir

These complex interconnections are also demonstrated by the scientific concept of entrainment, which explains how similar forms have a collective consciousness, and can act as a single entity.

For instance when people paricipate in choirs and music bands, many of their vital body functions perform at similar rates. This includes their breathing patterns, their heart rates, and even their brain wave patterns.

This connectedness can be sensed by individuals in the group. If you have ever sung in a choir, or played an instrument in a band, you may be familiar with this feeling.

In other examples of entrainment, large flocks of birds, flying in unison, will flick and change direction as one. Women in prisons and college dormitories will often find that their menstrual cycles fall into alignment. Giant schools of fish will swim as one, flicking and turning as if they are a single entity.

Everything is intricately connected to everything else. It is a s though all life on Earth is part of a magical spider's web. When you touch one part, it can set off vibrations in many other parts, thereby causing a ripple effect.

We are all part of the same puzzle. The same piece and a diiferent piece.

We are all expressing the same oneness differently or that is how we perceive it, that it is differnt, it is the same.

"Am I the bulb or the light." - Joseph Campbell
We are both

I like this!

One thing I wanted to expand on is this "It is as though all life on Earth is part of a magical spider's web."

I believe that this "web" is not only on Earth, but, it is also connected throughout our entire plane of existence in our universe, as well as every other plane/realm/dimension. It is the silver strand that ties us all together to infinity.

Our Universe began with a "Big Bang". It will end in a "Big Crunch", and a new universe will be born from a new "Big Bang".

Our entire existence as humans throughout time, is merely the blink of an eye on a universal time scale.

Each of our unique energies have always been here, and will always be here. Our energies are unique, and are like gears in an infinite clock tower. I believe that for this clock to continue to function, we are all necessary components. If you remove 1 gear from a clock, it will cease to function.

Sorry, my posts on this topic are kind of long. I just have alot to say about it.

Voodoo · 10-21-2002, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by MarkTiarra

Either you read all the same things and got the same messages out of it that I have or we're just divisions of the same oversoul. =] lol.

LOL... I really haven't read much about this. My beliefs are just a collection of thoughts, like pieces of a puzzle, that I've collected my entire life. At some point these pieces started to connect, and I started to see a larger picture, about what is going on, and how it makes sense to me.

Wenchy · 10-21-2002, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Voodoo
Our Universe began with a "Big Bang". It will end in a "Big Crunch", and a new universe will be born from a new "Big Bang".

I saw a program the other night in which they proposed the idea that the matter sucked into a black hole actually comes out in another spot somewhere else, thus creating the matter necessary to create new universes. I believe they credited Stephen Hawking with at least part of this hypothesis. Got me thinking a lot about the possibilities of infinity and a possible explanation for 'what came before the big bang'. Following this discussion has made me go back and revisit that whole train of thought... I like it

MarkTiarra · 10-21-2002, 04:07 PM

Well now Voodoo, if we're part of the same oversoul then only one of us had to do the reading to get the message to the whole unit. =] LOL. I see you're a designer too. Strange coincidence.... I don't think so! Muuhawhawwww!

So where, pray tell, may I ask did the oversoul decide to send you to live in this reality?

And on the serious note: Speaking about events before and after the big bang presupposes time as a linear event. I think those of us who have begun to look at this reality as part of a relativistic illusion springing from the All That Is should keep in mind that the idea of before and after are part of the illusion. I mention this because to search for answers about the truth behind illusion I think it's probably wisest not to frame the questions within the context of the illusion. =]

MarkTiarra · 10-21-2002, 04:10 PM

And on a business note... Vodoo I tried to check out your site but got only a plain white blank window from within the interface. =[

TheFLY · 10-21-2002, 07:14 PM

Holy shit I leave for a week and this thread is still fucking alive!?

Anyway last night I discovered if you eliminate anticipation from your life -- time will cease to function.

MarkTiarra · 10-21-2002, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Holy shit I leave for a week and this thread is still fucking alive!?

Anyway last night I discovered if you eliminate anticipation from your life -- time will cease to function.

You can't say that and go away! You've had an experience of no time? Do tell...

10-21-2002, 10:44 AM	#101
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	I pose this to everyone: Whether you believe that all this is predetermined or we are experiencing free will, is there anything that need be done but find joy and inner peace? If it's all preordained then you might as well enjoy the ride since you're stuck on it. If it's all something you get to choose from than why the heck not pick the happiest most joyous events? All the theology and philosophy is great but it doesn't mean bupkiss if you are miserable. Whatever you believe this is all about, I wish you the most joy. =] Now I better go get some work done or I will have the very unjoyous experience of pissed off clients. =] ps - Colin, I really encourage you to check out the Seth Speaks book. It addresses in detail many of the things you have posed. __________________ Retired Pornosticator Last edited by MarkTiarra; 10-21-2002 at 10:45 AM..

10-21-2002, 10:49 AM	#102
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10-21-2002, 11:11 AM	#103
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10-21-2002, 11:41 AM	#104
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	Okay - had to stop back before lunch! lol I meant I was leaving for the day to get work done. =] I gotta work on my communication skills! __________________ Retired Pornosticator

10-21-2002, 04:07 PM	#108
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	Well now Voodoo, if we're part of the same oversoul then only one of us had to do the reading to get the message to the whole unit. =] LOL. I see you're a designer too. Strange coincidence.... I don't think so! Muuhawhawwww! So where, pray tell, may I ask did the oversoul decide to send you to live in this reality? And on the serious note: Speaking about events before and after the big bang presupposes time as a linear event. I think those of us who have begun to look at this reality as part of a relativistic illusion springing from the All That Is should keep in mind that the idea of before and after are part of the illusion. I mention this because to search for answers about the truth behind illusion I think it's probably wisest not to frame the questions within the context of the illusion. =] __________________ Retired Pornosticator

10-21-2002, 04:10 PM	#109
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	And on a business note... Vodoo I tried to check out your site but got only a plain white blank window from within the interface. =[ __________________ Retired Pornosticator

10-21-2002, 07:14 PM	#110
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Holy shit I leave for a week and this thread is still fucking alive!? Anyway last night I discovered if you eliminate anticipation from your life -- time will cease to function.