Is it worth it to start a paysite these days? - GoFuckYourself.com

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:08 PM

If you're new and don't really know what you're doing?

SR · 10-12-2002, 06:10 PM

No

stick to a fresh sponsor when you just start.

dav555add · 10-12-2002, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jizz mopper
If you're new and don't really know what you're doing?

with all this visa shit????
i would wait it out and see what happens after nov 15

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:11 PM

Oh thats true...forgot about Visa

It just looks like all the people making most of the money in this biz run paysites.

sweetcuties · 10-12-2002, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
Oh thats true...forgot about Visa

It just looks like all the people making most of the money in this biz run paysites.

AnnihilaT · 10-12-2002, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
Oh thats true...forgot about Visa

It just looks like all the people making most of the money in this biz run paysites.

yup

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:20 PM

showoffs

How much time do you spend a day on your paysites?
Does running 3 paysites take up your whole day or is it a breeze?

sweetcuties · 10-12-2002, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
showoffs

How much time do you spend a day on your paysites?
Does running 3 paysites take up your whole day or is it a breeze?

It's not easy but it's all about planning and organization. On Fri's, I update MyWhiteTeens, on Sat I update MelindaTeen and on Sun, I update SweetCuties. During the week I do tgps and shoot content. Porn is my life

nocostporn · 10-12-2002, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
Oh thats true...forgot about Visa

It just looks like all the people making most of the money in this biz run paysites.

they are called sponsorship programs of people who know what they're doing

... Just by this thread alone I would never send you traffic lol...no offence

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

It's not easy but it's all about planning and organization. On Fri's, I update MyWhiteTeens, on Sat I update MelindaTeen and on Sun, I update SweetCuties. During the week I do tgps and shoot content. Porn is my life

it's interesting to me that you shoot your own content and use that exclusive content for your sites, instead of selling it as a content provider.

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

Just by this thread alone I would never send you traffic lol...no offence

none taken

I'm just feeling things out.

Fletch XXX · 10-12-2002, 06:34 PM

I say if you got the money and originality, give it a shot no matter the cost or obstacles.

That pretty much goes for anything though.

hyper · 10-12-2002, 06:36 PM

look .. you have to start somewhere
i suggest you build avs sites before paysites
free sites before avs sites..

make it a gradual learning experience
take your time .. do it right.. you'll be fine

Rochard · 10-12-2002, 06:36 PM

During my second month of working for Lightspeed Media I attended Internext in Vegas. I went to all of the classes. I'll never forget one guy on the panel who said "don't open a new paysite because you'll never be able to compete with me".

Look at us now!

beemk · 10-12-2002, 06:43 PM

www.monster.com

sweetcuties · 10-12-2002, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jizz mopper

it's interesting to me that you shoot your own content and use that exclusive content for your sites, instead of selling it as a content provider.

Yea, I use all my content... Why sell it when I can make more using it for my sites. Also, I don't want to overexpose it

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

I can make more using it for my sites.

Bingo
that's a real gem.

Libertine · 10-12-2002, 07:08 PM

If you don't really know what you're doing, don't start a paysite until you do. Start out with making a few hundred small free sites, experiment a bit, get them listed in directories like dmoz, and make sure you have dynamic links which you can change through a single admin.
Start experimenting with AVS sites, and see what converts best for your traffic.
When you feel you know enough, start that paysite and immediately be able to send a few dozen k hits a day. After that, be sure to set up a decent partnership program (and know where to get good partners).
Update often, be innovative, and constantly learn.

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 07:38 PM

What kind of hosting should I get for a paysite? Same kind of hosting as everything else or should I be looking for specific features?
Should I be paying per gig?

I dont have to worry about it being a high volume site but I'm thinking about all of the bandwith the movies are going to eat up.

quiet · 10-12-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
What kind of hosting should I get for a paysite? Same kind of hosting as everything else or should I be looking for specific features?
Should I be paying per gig?

I dont have to worry about it being a high volume site but I'm thinking about all of the bandwith the movies are going to eat up.

no offense, but these kinds of questions - well... nevermind

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

no offense, but these kinds of questions - well... nevermind

What can I say...I have the ideas but not the experience.
And asking is free, so why not ask and avoid some mistakes

steffie · 10-12-2002, 07:52 PM

If you want to start a paysite nowadays, I would suggest you start with a subscription to an AVN Magazine, and as earlier pointed out try and see what works for you.

AVS etc is also a good start

Make sure you get a hosting company which accepts Adult and is equipt to handle cgi.

Porn is my live and I also update a Paysite per day. It's all in how you orginize it. I get up, update my site of the day (or 2 depents) than do other work, like traffic, shoot content, paperwork, surf GFY etc.

Yes I do believe it is still possible to make money in Paysites if you are new (expecially if you have an original idea) , however you might want to start with an offshore company (see sig) and not pay the 750 dollar penalty. At least you don't have rebills etc to worry about.

Good luck to you

quiet · 10-12-2002, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jizz mopper

What can I say...I have the ideas but not the experience.
And asking is free, so why not ask and avoid some mistakes

hey, go for it man. but hosting is going to be the least of your worries. content, traffic, conversion, retention, initial cash flow, blah, blah, blah.

PeekHoles · 10-12-2002, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by sweetcuties

It's not easy but it's all about planning and organization. On Fri's, I update MyWhiteTeens, on Sat I update MelindaTeen and on Sun, I update SweetCuties. During the week I do tgps and shoot content. Porn is my life

AMEN

GTS Mark · 10-12-2002, 08:10 PM

I think there are more than enough people who make decent coin without paysites.

DH

Sly_RJ · 10-12-2002, 08:16 PM

I am fucking amazed at this thread. All of this great information, and all for the newbie. You guys must have forgotten that this is GFY.

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I am fucking amazed at this thread. All of this great information, and all for the newbie. You guys must have forgotten that this is GFY.

Newbie to paysites, but not to porn.
The money I make from porn is growing every month and I want to do something to get myself a bigger piece of the pie.

Thanks everyone for the tips and pointing me in the right direction.

Sly_RJ · 10-12-2002, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jizz mopper

Newbie to paysites, but not to porn.
The money I make from porn is growing every month and I want to do something to get myself a bigger piece of the pie.

Thanks everyone for the tips and pointing me in the right direction.

I didn't mean to insult you, this is just very strange.

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
this is just very strange.

I think most people are actually friendly and dont mind lending a tip to someone who is sincere and asks nicely.

It's when the newbie comes in here screaming at everyone that will draw out the worst in people.

Spoonie Luv · 10-12-2002, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I am fucking amazed at this thread. All of this great information, and all for the newbie. You guys must have forgotten that this is GFY.

Every once and a while one slips by

SykkBoy · 10-12-2002, 08:48 PM

In addition to some of the worthwhile advice here (what the fuck? a bit of informative posting on GFY???) I would also add that you defeinately need your own traffic pumps. Don't rely solely on a sponsorship program. Use your own traffic and see what works and what doesn't. You have to be totally original to work o a small scale. You can't compete with the likes of CE or ARS without a couple buck$ (likes 100K+).

You also need GOOD hosting. Price should not be a factor when shopping for paysite hosting. Cogent bandwidth for 50 cents a gig is fine for TGPing, but it's not going to work for your paysite. You should also automate everything as much as possible (especially if you don't have employees to do things like upload new content, oversee member's areas, etc.

If your site is a specific niche, then seek out freesite owners with sites related to your niche and work on private deals for traffic. Get a starter base of 10-12 people ho have sites in your niche and work with them by providing things like content and custom adverts.

Unless you have a substantial amount of money in the bank, you're going to have to be satisfied with building slowly and just keep folding your money back into the business. You should also run it as a business. Get incorporated, set up with a good attorney and an accountant (believe me, from personal experience, I can tell you get a GOOD accountant. We had one take us for a LOT of money and it's still a big pain in our ass trying to get shit straightened out).

It's not easy and is going to be much harder with the new Visa regulations, so you'll definately need to keep on top of your customer service. A lot of even the big boys are going to be going through difficult times the next few months. Now, you can look at this two ways: get the fuck away from the paysite game or look to carve out a small niche amongst the turmoil. Remember, that as a smaller company, you can live on what would be a devestating income loss for bigger companies, but you're going to have to fight much harder for traffic.

jizz mopper · 10-12-2002, 09:15 PM

That is gold! Thank you SykkBoy2

I wasn't planning on affiliates so I can keep the membership price low, then raise it slowly if it looks like I can. I definetely want some sales/retention numbers before I asked any webmasters to sell memberships the site. If the site doesn't convert I'd never be able to get webmasters coming back to try promoting it again.

It is niche...something that surfers are asking me for and noone else is really doing well. I promote a sponsor that does something similar and the sales are decent, but I know I could do it better.

I'm looking into ImageFolio to keep it all automated. It's pretty cheap and heard it works great.

Thanks for the rest of the info, didn't think about getting incorporated, accountans and lawyers, but I guess I should.

Paul Markham · 10-12-2002, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
If you're new and don't really know what you're doing?

Only in this business could someone ask this question.

I think if you start a paysite you need a minimum of 500 sets and a good mix of Teens and Amateur. Solo Girl/Girl and Boy/Girl. Then you have a chance.

Anyone know where he can get this from????

Hooper · 10-12-2002, 09:31 PM

dont bother starting a paysite. you cant compete with me. ;-))

seriously though man... paysites are one hell of an animal.... to do it right involves spending amazing amounts of money on content and employees... and if you want to actually make big $$$ off of it you need thousands upon thousands of affiliates.... and that costs even more.

In all honesty... dont bother. Do free sites, avs.. whatever.. but paysites should be left up to the big boys.

I mean shit... at 35-40 per signup you do realize that you're makin more off of a customer than the sponsor right?... so why would you suddenly want to become *the sponsor* ???

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jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	Oh thats true...forgot about Visa It just looks like all the people making most of the money in this biz run paysites.

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jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	showoffs How much time do you spend a day on your paysites? Does running 3 paysites take up your whole day or is it a breeze?

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jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	What kind of hosting should I get for a paysite? Same kind of hosting as everything else or should I be looking for specific features? Should I be paying per gig? I dont have to worry about it being a high volume site but I'm thinking about all of the bandwith the movies are going to eat up.

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steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	If you want to start a paysite nowadays, I would suggest you start with a subscription to an AVN Magazine, and as earlier pointed out try and see what works for you. AVS etc is also a good start Make sure you get a hosting company which accepts Adult and is equipt to handle cgi. Porn is my live and I also update a Paysite per day. It's all in how you orginize it. I get up, update my site of the day (or 2 depents) than do other work, like traffic, shoot content, paperwork, surf GFY etc. Yes I do believe it is still possible to make money in Paysites if you are new (expecially if you have an original idea) , however you might want to start with an offshore company (see sig) and not pay the 750 dollar penalty. At least you don't have rebills etc to worry about. Good luck to you __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	I think there are more than enough people who make decent coin without paysites. DH

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SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	In addition to some of the worthwhile advice here (what the fuck? a bit of informative posting on GFY???) I would also add that you defeinately need your own traffic pumps. Don't rely solely on a sponsorship program. Use your own traffic and see what works and what doesn't. You have to be totally original to work o a small scale. You can't compete with the likes of CE or ARS without a couple buck$ (likes 100K+). You also need GOOD hosting. Price should not be a factor when shopping for paysite hosting. Cogent bandwidth for 50 cents a gig is fine for TGPing, but it's not going to work for your paysite. You should also automate everything as much as possible (especially if you don't have employees to do things like upload new content, oversee member's areas, etc. If your site is a specific niche, then seek out freesite owners with sites related to your niche and work on private deals for traffic. Get a starter base of 10-12 people ho have sites in your niche and work with them by providing things like content and custom adverts. Unless you have a substantial amount of money in the bank, you're going to have to be satisfied with building slowly and just keep folding your money back into the business. You should also run it as a business. Get incorporated, set up with a good attorney and an accountant (believe me, from personal experience, I can tell you get a GOOD accountant. We had one take us for a LOT of money and it's still a big pain in our ass trying to get shit straightened out). It's not easy and is going to be much harder with the new Visa regulations, so you'll definately need to keep on top of your customer service. A lot of even the big boys are going to be going through difficult times the next few months. Now, you can look at this two ways: get the fuck away from the paysite game or look to carve out a small niche amongst the turmoil. Remember, that as a smaller company, you can live on what would be a devestating income loss for bigger companies, but you're going to have to fight much harder for traffic. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

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jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	That is gold! Thank you SykkBoy2 I wasn't planning on affiliates so I can keep the membership price low, then raise it slowly if it looks like I can. I definetely want some sales/retention numbers before I asked any webmasters to sell memberships the site. If the site doesn't convert I'd never be able to get webmasters coming back to try promoting it again. It is niche...something that surfers are asking me for and noone else is really doing well. I promote a sponsor that does something similar and the sales are decent, but I know I could do it better. I'm looking into ImageFolio to keep it all automated. It's pretty cheap and heard it works great. Thanks for the rest of the info, didn't think about getting incorporated, accountans and lawyers, but I guess I should. Last edited by jizz mopper; 10-12-2002 at 09:17 PM..

10-12-2002, 09:31 PM	#34
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	dont bother starting a paysite. you cant compete with me. ;-)) seriously though man... paysites are one hell of an animal.... to do it right involves spending amazing amounts of money on content and employees... and if you want to actually make big $$$ off of it you need thousands upon thousands of affiliates.... and that costs even more. In all honesty... dont bother. Do free sites, avs.. whatever.. but paysites should be left up to the big boys. I mean shit... at 35-40 per signup you do realize that you're makin more off of a customer than the sponsor right?... so why would you suddenly want to become the sponsor ??? __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>