CCBill linking code and then Epoch signup page??? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

minddust · 04-12-2008, 06:37 PM

fiddy

maxxxxx · 04-12-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it hasn't been determined yet if it's a serious traffic leak - all anybody is going on is your story.

come on - somebody here I know must be a Ron Harris affiliate that we can do a live signup with.

Why don't you just sign up as affiliate and do the live signup yourself? Doesn't take more than 5 minutes...

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxxxx

Why don't you just sign up as affiliate and do the live signup yourself? Doesn't take more than 5 minutes...

it's been done - waiting now.

have you checked again to see if you've been credited? how long has it been since you did the signup?

maxxxxx · 04-12-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it's been done - waiting now.

have you checked again to see if you've been credited? how long has it been since you did the signup?

Yes, I keep checking. It's 7 hours now but nothing...

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 08:36 PM

Ok this situation really does need some explaining - at stake are both the integrity of Ron Harris and the integrity of CCBILL's cascading billing. Which is why I feel CCBILL should have told us in this thread whether Ron Harris had in fact had his Epoch account set up to post back to CCBILL or not. If not, then CCBILL has absolutely nothing to do with this and Ron Harris is operating a 50% shave on affiliates.

2 hours ago I clicked this Ron Harris affiliate link code http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 - cybermike's affiliate link code. I signed up to Ron Harris using the Epoch link on his join page. 2 hours later cybermike hasn't seen a sale show up in his CCBILL Affiliate Admin for the signup.

stickyfingerz · 04-12-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Ok this situation really does need some explaining - at stake are both the integrity of Ron Harris and the integrity of CCBILL's cascading billing. Which is why I feel CCBILL should have told us in this thread whether Ron Harris had in fact had his Epoch account set up to post back to CCBILL or not. If not, then CCBILL has absolutely nothing to do with this and Ron Harris is operating a 50% shave on affiliates.

2 hours ago I clicked this Ron Harris affiliate link code http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 - cybermike's affiliate link code. I signed up to Ron Harris using the Epoch link on his join page. 2 hours later cybermike hasn't seen a sale show up in his CCBILL Affiliate Admin for the signup.

This isn't a ccbill issue as far as I can see. I setup the cascading on ours fairly early on in the beta, and how his setup is not ccbill cascading at all.

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 08:49 PM

whether he's cascading or not isn't really the issue - he definitely hasn't set up the cascading the way you have but it's still possible without doing that to follow CCBILL's instructions to have Epoch post back sales data to CCBILL and CCBILL affiliates *might* still be able to receive credit for Epoch sales initiated with a CCBILL link code. But since nobody from CCBILL has addressed this it just leaves everybody in the dark.

stickyfingerz · 04-12-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

whether he's cascading or not isn't really the issue - he definitely hasn't set up the cascading the way you have but it's still possible without doing that to follow CCBILL's instructions to have Epoch post back sales data to CCBILL and CCBILL affiliates *might* still be able to receive credit for Epoch sales initiated with a CCBILL link code. But since nobody from CCBILL has addressed this it just leaves everybody in the dark.

Why would ccbill have a secret way of using epoch as processor for cascading? This issue doesn't affect me as I dont promote that program, but being someone that runs ccbill cascading thats not it.

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Why would ccbill have a secret way of using epoch as processor for cascading? This issue doesn't affect me as I dont promote that program, but being someone that runs ccbill cascading thats not it.

it's not a secret way - it's possibly just another way - where surfers are given a choice of which processor to use and affiliates still get credit via CCBILL for either processor

I am very suspicious of this because CCBILL's instructions on how to set up the use of both Epoch and CCBILL are very simple to follow and never mention the possibility of doing it the way Ron Harris has.

Why if he wanted his affiliates to get the benefit of Epoch sales why would't he have just followed the simple CCBILL instructions the way you and I have?

stickyfingerz · 04-12-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it's not a secret way - it's possibly just another way - where surfers are given a choice of which processor to use and affiliates still get credit via CCBILL for either processor

I am very suspicious of this because CCBILL's instructions on how to set up the use of both Epoch and CCBILL are very simple to follow and never mention the possibility of doing it the way Ron Harris has.

Why if he wanted his affiliates to get the benefit of Epoch sales why would't he have just followed the simple CCBILL instructions the way you and I have?

I think you are giving the benefit of the doubt here. And Im one of the first to do that too. Ill just wait and see what comes of it.

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I think you are giving the benefit of the doubt here. And Im one of the first to do that too. Ill just wait and see what comes of it.

that's exactly what i'm doing - giving the benefit of the doubt.

because nobody in their right mind would do an obvious 'shave' like that - so i'm figuring it was a misunderstanding or fuck up.

stickyfingerz · 04-12-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

that's exactly what i'm doing - giving the benefit of the doubt.

because nobody in their right mind would do an obvious 'shave' like that - so i'm figuring it was a misunderstanding or fuck up.

Ya my guess was fuck up.

Mutt · 04-12-2008, 11:08 PM

i actually am friends with a guy who works for Ron Harris on the content side and just talked to him - that is a brand new tour design - in the last few days - so that might explain it.

heymatty · 04-12-2008, 11:35 PM

Sounds like either a glitch or possible rogue employee.

maxxxxx · 04-13-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i actually am friends with a guy who works for Ron Harris on the content side and just talked to him - that is a brand new tour design - in the last few days - so that might explain it.

Yes, the tour seems to be new. However, when I check in the Wayback Machine how the signup page looked back in August 2007 I can see CCBill and Paycom being offered. Is this any different? I'm asking, not blaming... (yet)

http://web.archive.org/web/200708230...ronharris.html

Enemator · 04-13-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Yeah, I'm sure CCBill makes a habit of cascading to competitors.

Wel bij de les blijven kerel

Dat doen ze al een paar maanden.

justsexxx · 04-13-2008, 06:19 AM

As far as I know, when you use CCBILL +their own cascading(and yes you can even set epoch primary) the linkincodes still look like 'ccbill' at first right?

Konda · 04-13-2008, 07:10 AM

I think it's pretty obvious that this is a traffic leak, and that affiliates are not being credited for the Epoch signups.

Jace · 04-13-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

Jace, you have no idea what you are talking about. There is nothing wrong here.

Enlighten your self: Pay special attention to BOLD RED

thought I would quote this just to show how rude people can be at times

maxxxxx · 04-13-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

thought I would quote this just to show how rude people can be at times

I couldn't agree more.

cybermike · 04-13-2008, 01:07 PM

so whats going on with this

BV · 04-13-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

thought I would quote this just to show how rude people can be at times

I am sorry if I was rude but someone has to keep the witch hunt in check.

If Ron Harris has made a mistake with his recent changes (as Mutt noted) then I am sure that he will stand behind his mistakes and make everything right.

maxxxxx · 04-13-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

I am sorry if I was rude but someone has to keep the witch hunt in check.

If Ron Harris has made a mistake with his recent changes (as Mutt noted) then I am sure that he will stand behind his mistakes and make everything right.

Hi BV, if this has to do with the recent website changes, then what about this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200708230...ronharris.html

It's from August 2007, and it's CCBill & Paycom instead of CCBill & Epoch. Isn't this the same?

BV · 04-13-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxxxx

Hi BV, if this has to do with the recent website changes, then what about this:

http://web.archive.org/web/200708230...ronharris.html

It's from August 2007, and it's CCBill & Paycom instead of CCBill & Epoch. Isn't this the same?

I also investigated this last night. Paycom/Epoch same thing. But now they want to be referred to as Epoch)

But, No, the paycom link is different. See where it points? (joinronharris-paycom.html)
http://www.ronharris.com/joinronharris-paycom.html

And that's just 2007, that page has had both links as way back as 2005 or earlier if i remember correctly.

I think the problem is he has either 1. not uploaded his join page or 2. has the wrong ccbill redirect link set in his CCBill admin, and his ccbill link is 404'ing.

If you notice any 404 like: http://www.ronharris.com/anyurl.html 404's to the main index page. So it's a possibility that all affiliate links are 404'ng, and that the epoch code is lost. There might be a new/ cloned tour page that affiliate traffic should be going to and is not uploaded, or like i said the master redirect url that each ccbill client must set, could be set to a page that is not uploaded and 404'ng or the ccbill master redirect itself is set to the wrong url.

(when I say master ccbill redirect i am referring to this: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0013&PA=XXXXXX

This is just a guess of one of the things that could be happening.

But, I would imagine if you emailed them you would get it figured out.

I assume you have emailed them already?

maxxxxx · 04-13-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

I assume you have emailed them already?

Yes, I did Friday night, so let's see if there's a reply tomorrow.

maxxxxx · 04-14-2008, 01:02 PM

Just got a reply from Shaun at Ron Harris Cash:

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We recently signed up with epoch and placed it on our site to see how effective it would be. We did this because we will be implementing CCbills cascade billing with epoch as the secondary processor. To be perfectly honest with you, when we put the epoch link up we didn't really think about it impacting affiliate sales - I apologize for that.

The cascade billing will be up soon and you WILL get paid on all sales through epoch via ccbill.

Best
Shaun

I guess I can live with that. At least they're not trying to come up with some nonsense about a little web developer who has made a mistake...

Jace · 04-14-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxxxx

Just got a reply from Shaun at Ron Harris Cash:

I guess I can live with that. At least they're not trying to come up with some nonsense about a little web developer who has made a mistake...

the sad part about this industry is just that, web developer means nothing these days, and anyone with 30 or less IQ can open a program, and when he fucks up because he isn't an actual webmaster with real life skills on the web, everyone pays in the end

sorry, I just get sick of seeing 20 new programs popping up every month run by a team of trained monkeys....not saying ron harris is a new program, he has a solid program that made an honest mistake, I am just rambling....

CarlosTheGaucho · 04-14-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxxxx

http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=300317

I think it's pretty obvious that someone is sending his ccbill affiliate traffic to the join form with a non ccbill option.

Also took me ages to find the join link.. it might be either scamming or amateurism, none of which should interest you..

maxxxxx · 04-14-2008, 02:11 PM

And then I asked about the Paycom link which seems to have been there since long. Another reply from Shaun:

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apparently I mis-understood - we are moving to cascade billing ASAP - and we recently moved epoch to the left side as opposed to the right side of the page to see what people prefer to use. Surprisingly it did not change much - the vast majority of people still go to ccbill first and epoch if they get refused on the ccbill link. The results just confirmed what we already thought, people know and trust ccbill with their credit card number more then epoch.

Once again sorry for the mishap.

Shaun

So basically they tell me, "Ah, who cares if our affiliates lose a few $$ when people sign up through Epoch. The majority is using CCBill anyway."

Or do I understand something wrong here? What is a "vast majority"? 80%? That still means a 20% loss in affiliate income which they put into their own pocket.

Anyway, I have pulled all my links to them.

BV · 04-14-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxxxx

And then I asked about the Paycom link which seems to have been there since long. Another reply from Shaun:

So basically they tell me, "Ah, who cares if our affiliates lose a few $$ when people sign up through Epoch. The majority is using CCBill anyway."

Or do I understand something wrong here? What is a "vast majority"? 80%? That still means a 20% loss in affiliate income which they put into their own pocket.

Anyway, I have pulled all my links to them.

Good idea, I am not digging their answers at all.

I guess I'll eat crow too.

I never would have guessed someone of his stature could have such a chicken shit setup.

After looking around in the affiliate area, wow, very amateurish. Especially for such HOT HOT content. What a waste IMO. I'm sorry I posted in this thread.

PS: The "20 minute workout" still rocks though, lol

cybermike · 04-15-2008, 05:59 PM

Got an email saying how great the new tour is

Work is complete on our brand new tour and woh... it is working like a charm. Early stats show a sharp increase in sales - particularly the one year memberships. Send your traffic here http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 and you will notice the differance. More girls, more HD videos, better navigation. It's time to make more money with Ron

But the first link is epoch..

Scotty.T · 04-16-2008, 01:11 AM

If they insist on putting an Epoch link first I don't understand why they don't code it as part of the CCBill cascade. That way, everyone is happy.

V_RocKs · 04-16-2008, 03:50 AM

This is a Ron Harris issue.

maxxxxx · 04-21-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

This is a Ron Harris issue.

Yes, and it seems it has been going on since long. Now I finally understand why my CCBill signup ratios are so lousy for the Ron Harris sites. Anyway, I have pulled all links and I don't care if they start cascading or not.

cybermike · 09-09-2008, 08:22 AM

They just released a cute sologirl site.. has this issue been resolved?

signupdamnit · 09-10-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty.T

If they insist on putting an Epoch link first I don't understand why they don't code it as part of the CCBill cascade. That way, everyone is happy.

Possibly for the same reason a lot of the small time shady ccbill programs like to have huge links to clips4sale while at the same time making the join link for the actual site very hard to see. CCBill can be a great way to help ensure you get a fair shake as an affiliate but there is still a lot of crap to check to make sure you are not being cheated. Cookie length, grouping status, cascading, traffic leaks, etc. So many will try to pull a fast one on you.

04-12-2008, 08:36 PM	#55
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Ok this situation really does need some explaining - at stake are both the integrity of Ron Harris and the integrity of CCBILL's cascading billing. Which is why I feel CCBILL should have told us in this thread whether Ron Harris had in fact had his Epoch account set up to post back to CCBILL or not. If not, then CCBILL has absolutely nothing to do with this and Ron Harris is operating a 50% shave on affiliates. 2 hours ago I clicked this Ron Harris affiliate link code http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 - cybermike's affiliate link code. I signed up to Ron Harris using the Epoch link on his join page. 2 hours later cybermike hasn't seen a sale show up in his CCBILL Affiliate Admin for the signup. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

04-12-2008, 08:49 PM	#57
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	whether he's cascading or not isn't really the issue - he definitely hasn't set up the cascading the way you have but it's still possible without doing that to follow CCBILL's instructions to have Epoch post back sales data to CCBILL and CCBILL affiliates might still be able to receive credit for Epoch sales initiated with a CCBILL link code. But since nobody from CCBILL has addressed this it just leaves everybody in the dark. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

04-12-2008, 11:08 PM	#63
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i actually am friends with a guy who works for Ron Harris on the content side and just talked to him - that is a brand new tour design - in the last few days - so that might explain it. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

04-12-2008, 11:35 PM	#64
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	Sounds like either a glitch or possible rogue employee. __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

04-13-2008, 06:19 AM	#67
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	As far as I know, when you use CCBILL +their own cascading(and yes you can even set epoch primary) the linkincodes still look like 'ccbill' at first right? __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

04-12-2008, 06:37 PM	#51
minddust Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,438	fiddy

04-13-2008, 07:10 AM	#68
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	I think it's pretty obvious that this is a traffic leak, and that affiliates are not being credited for the Epoch signups.

04-13-2008, 01:07 PM	#71
cybermike Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ny Posts: 4,119	so whats going on with this __________________ Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn Sites

04-15-2008, 05:59 PM	#81
cybermike Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ny Posts: 4,119	Got an email saying how great the new tour is Work is complete on our brand new tour and woh... it is working like a charm. Early stats show a sharp increase in sales - particularly the one year memberships. Send your traffic here http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 and you will notice the differance. More girls, more HD videos, better navigation. It's time to make more money with Ron But the first link is epoch.. __________________ Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn Sites

04-16-2008, 01:11 AM	#82
Scotty.T Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,062	If they insist on putting an Epoch link first I don't understand why they don't code it as part of the CCBill cascade. That way, everyone is happy. __________________ .

04-16-2008, 03:50 AM	#83
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	This is a Ron Harris issue.

09-09-2008, 08:22 AM	#85
cybermike Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ny Posts: 4,119	They just released a cute sologirl site.. has this issue been resolved? __________________ Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn Sites