CCBill linking code and then Epoch signup page???
 

So I go to a site using my CCBill affiliate code and then I'm taken to a signup page which gives me the choice between Epoch and CCBill? How do I have to understand this? :Oh crap

I guess 'too retarded to cascade' is a way to shave.

ccbill's cascading system?

Yeah, I'm sure CCBill makes a habit of cascading to competitors.

this thread is worthless without links.

Do webmasters get credit if a ccbill potential sale cascades into Epoch when using a ccbill affiliate program?

Yes completely. This is CCBills new cascading feature. :thumbsup

Well, maybe there's something I don't understand but to me it looks ...well, let's say odd:

http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=300317

As I understand it, and this is direct from Rand and Frank from epoch (I met them at a web met in Jan) ccBill now have the cascading billing that allows epoch to be set as primary and all clicks are counted / ref codes honored etc...

Obviously dont take this as being 100% correct from me, I may well be wrong, but the epoch crew were saying something along these lines and were very excited about it...

Perhaps someone from Epoch can comment?

show the linking code

email CCBILL support and ask them if that site has cascading billing set up for CCBILL and Epoch and if the linking code is correct for that. it doesn't sound like it is but let's see the linking code.

Id say the bigger problem is the traffic leak with the links Click to Join by cc Epoch Click to join by cc CCbill. on this join page.

http://www.ronharris.com/joinronharris.html

That's what I mean...

From the looks of it https://wnu.com/secure/fpost.cgi?co_...a& list=list1 Reseller A is the house account! So I don't think you are getting credit

well they're not using the standard CCBILL linking codes so I'm not sure what they're doing.

you should contact CCBILL and ask them if that site has enabled cascading billing and show them the join page with the two options and ask them if that's done correctly.

Yes thats not good. The only time you should see epoch if they are using ccbill for affiliates should be after the user tries to buy a membership and fails, and it comes up with a screen between the two letting the user know they are being sent to a different biller.

And actually I'm still having the old linking codes on my site, like

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...s-archives.com

since I just saw the new ones today and never got the info that there are new ones...

With their new system, yes they do...

i wouldn't tar and feather him yet - it's possible that he's got cascading billing enabled wth CCBILL and Epoch - I wasn't aware that it could work giving the surfer both companies sign up links on the join page the way it is on Ron Harris - it could be. CCBILL is going to have to clear this up for you.

Ok thanks, will ask CCBill about it.

and you shall receive.

If a sponsor is using our cascading system and they have their links setup correctly than yes you will receive credit for signups through Epoch.

I always suggest contacting the sponsor directly because obviously neither processor can be 100% about what a sponsor is doing with another processor.

Actually they do. Maybe you should follow the market you work in a lil closer :P

How is an affiliate supposed to know if the sponsor has set up their links correctly for the cascading billing? As you can see Ron Harris tour codes aren't standard CCBILL linking codes.

maxxxxx hit me up on ICQ 174-676-830

I always recommend a live signup.

exactly


hit me up maxxxxx

Some of you people are idiots and are making a big deal about nothing:

DO you all even know what a simple redirect is? Or how to check for one?

There is nothing wrong here. LOOK:

Response

Checked link: http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=300317

Type of redirect: 302 Found

Redirected to: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA
=900013&PA=300317&HTML=http://www.ronharris.com/

Ron Harris is a Legend and one of CCBills oldest customers. He's not out to screw anybody. :2 cents:

I just went to http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=300317 and clicked join and got

[Join by credit card - Epoch]


[Join by credit card - CCBill]

and the epoch link does not appear to be a cascade, it is a direct signup link through epoch with a ccbill referral

He is questioning the epoch link code not the ccbill link As I stated before the epoch link has a RESELLER=A which is known to be a house account :2 cents:

https: //wnu.com/secure/fpost.cgi?co_code=u08&pi_code=rhu08m1b&reseller=a&list=list1

Jace, you have no idea what you are talking about. There is nothing wrong here.

Enlighten your self: Pay special attention to BOLD RED

ANNOUNCING: THE NEW CCBILL TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WITH CASCADING FUNCTIONALITY

We are pleased to announce the release of our NEW CCBill Traffic Manager with Cascading Processors and Payment options. This new system is a value added service for Clients, integrates with other CCBill services and performs seamlessly with the CCBill Affiliate System.

The Traffic Manager is a versatile, customizable billing solution that allows you to structure your transaction processing or "traffic" flow with multiple processors, payment types and pricing options. The benefits of utilizing the system are immediately realized, as they do not require CCBill to be run as the primary processor. For example, suppose you have a transaction that is declined. No problem! The system automatically cascades the transaction to the next desired alternate payment type or processor. One example might be: CCBill Credit Card Billing is the primary processor and payment option, and Epoch is the secondary option. In the event that the CCBill Credit Card Billing transaction is declined, the system will automatically redirect to your Epoch billing form to process the transaction. With this initial release, Traffic Manager will work with CCBill and Epoch as processors; and Credit Cards, Online Checks, Telephone Billing, EU Debit and DirectPay EU as accepted CCBill payment types.

This cascading functionality can noticeably improve your bottom line by increasing the total percentage of approved transactions and reducing the number of chargebacks. Further, your CCBill affiliates who refer a transaction will still receive payment for their referral from your CCBill sales account regardless of who processes the transaction.


Client Experience: As a CCBill client you can easily set up your Traffic management in the CCBill System5 Admin from the Tools>Account Maintenance>Account Admin>Sub-Account>Traffic Manager area, where any number of cascade configurations can be created. Once a Traffic Flow has been set up from a combination of configurations, link code can be generated inside System5 and pasted in to your Website. To further support the Traffic Manager?s ease of use, if you wish to update a saved Traffic Flow, simply revise the Flow in the Traffic Manager and re-save. The Traffic Manager will automatically make the update to your link code, thus eliminating the need for you change links on your website.

Sales for cascaded transactions can conveniently be found along side CCBill transactional data within the Transaction Report, found in the REPORTS area of System5.

To view a demo of the NEW Traffic Manager, please click here. If you wish to request that a specific alternate processor be considered for the CCBill Traffic Manager, or to discuss this or any other CCBill feature or service please contact the CCBill Client Support Team 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at [email protected].

Thank you,

CCBill Management

Now everyone just move along. CCBill is top notch! :2 cents: :thumbsup

I am pretty sure RESELLER=A is a non-affiliate code for in house sales, i could be wrong though

Yes, but that might be because CCBill is going to pay the affiliate even though epoch does the transaction. So it makes sense that the money goes into the house account, doesnt mean that it's not being tracked. There are other variables. :2 cents:

Remember, that the affiliates do not need a epoch acct, they are being paid by ccbill.

refer to post 32

BTW, I was beating off at 6 AM every morning to Ron Harris's "20 minute workout" before some of you were even born, before the interwebs!~

That redirect link code "http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA[/url]
=900013&PA=300317&HTML=http://www.ronharris.com/" is a standard CCBILL affiliate link code. When you set up cascading billing from inside CCBILL's System5 Admin using the Traffic Manager you set up a Traffic Flow - it's the cascading order i.e. Epoch first,CCBill credit card 2nd, CCBILL check third - each Traffic Flow creates a seperate new link code. Ron Harris' link codes do NOT take advantage of that feature.

At this point there is absolutely no way to know if Ron Harris' Epoch account is posting back to CCBILL. It could be - so nobody should be calling him shady yet. It also could not be.

How he's set up his join page with an Epoch and CCBILL option is NOT how CCBILL intended the cascading billing to be implemented. Thought it still may end up with CCBILL affiliates getting credit for sales made through Epoch.

As Paul from CCBILL said the only way to test is with a live signup.

If anybody is a Ron Harris affiliate give me your link code and I'll sign up and we can see if the sale is credited to the affiliate in CCBILL's affiliate admin.

Everything is good - have a great day!

Mutt is correct. The cascading works off of a ccbill link code only EVEN if you have epoch selected as primary biller. Unless I am completely off base him having both epoch and ccbill links on the join page is a huge traffic leak. I know the guy has been around for a long time BV, but that doesnt exempt him from making an error.

There is no cascade. DO you see a cascade?

He just has a link to both billers. By the time the surfer reached this page the affiliates cookie has already been set!

and if he has his Epoch acct activated with CCBill maybe it is possible that he is doing it this way.

It states right in CCBills documentation in black and white that CCBill does not have to be the primary biller!

Therefore it's ok to send to epoch join page first.. :2 cents:

Im using ccbill cascading, and that isnt how it works for me, or was explained how it worked for me when we set it up. The cookie has already been set for ccbill yes, but not for epoch. That is the problem that I see. Ccbill cascading can have epoch set as primary yes, but from what I understand you should only see a ccbill link to pay.

If Im wrong then ok, but I dont think I am.

There are many ways to do things.

We have been cascading ccbill and epoch with our own custom aff script on www.bvcash.com since 2003.

Ours works differently, affiliates get checks from both processors and each affiliate can change who they want as primary or secondary in our admin.

But like I said, if you don't know for sure you shouldn't point fingers, especially here.

DO a test sign up then come here and bitch if it doesnt show up. :2 cents:

If someone does a test signup and everything does track correctly, what happens then?

Ron Harris gets his name dragged thru the mud? as well as affiliates made to feel leery of more friendly non standard ccbill linking codes? All for no reason?

Like I said, I could be wrong, and I didnt point any fingers. Im just saying that the ccbill cascading program itself I do not believe is setup the way it was explained to me.

Well, I did go in with my affiliate link and I did sign up through Epoch. How long am I supposed to wait until I see the signup in my stats?

BV, I would recommend to wait for this before you tell others that they have no idea what they're talking about and call them idiots. Ron Harris might be in the business since many years but the way he attacked Hegre a few years ago and bragged about how much better his site was selling (which it NEVER did for me) shows me that he's NOT someone I would call "Legend". I'd probably call him a few other things...

well? did your Ron Harris signup show up in your CCBILL stats yet?

No, it didn't. Kind of expected...

Tar and feathers, please!

ccbill really needs to make this more transparent or expect a lot more threads like this

do you have a Ron Harris affiliate link I can try?

Well, in first place this has nothing to do with CCBill. It has to do with a serious traffic leak on a pretty big site, as mentioned in a few posts above.

I don't know why CCBILL couldn't just come in here and say whether or not Ron Harris' site has been set up to post back sales to CCBILL or not. That is not a privacy issue between them and their client - it is factual, it has been set up or it hasn't. CCBILL affiliates have a right to know.

now there are 4 explanations and nobody knows which is correct

1) Ron Harris affiliates aren't being credited for Epoch sales because it was never set up to so leaving one of two conclusions to be made - either Ron Harris has made a big mistake or he's shady

2)Ron Harris affiliates aren't being credited for Epoch sales because it wasn't set up correctly - that would be on CCBILL

3) Maxxxx is a liar


It's in CCBILL's interest to clear this up - how are affiliates going to trust any program that is using the cascading billing feature from CCBILL when they read a thread like this that leaves people scratching their heads.

it hasn't been determined yet if it's a serious traffic leak - all anybody is going on is your story.

come on - somebody here I know must be a Ron Harris affiliate that we can do a live signup with.

Someone just needs to contact the program and ask. As far as I can see it is a traffic leak. That is not how ccbill cascading works. Go and do a test with a card that will get denied, but has the right info on it. If its cascading it will auto hand off like this.


This is from one of our sites with cascading.
http://bbwbj.com/ccbilldenietoepoch.jpg

I tried the same card that I used there on his site, and it just gives a pre auth fail. And asks you to make sure the info was entered correctly.

If its anything but a traffic leak Ill be pretty surprised.

The only other thing is if there is an alternative tour for the affiliates, or their links cause it to goto a diff join page.