WarChild

I can't believe how stupid Democrats can be.

Leaving the 2000 election alone for a moment, let's start at 2004. ANYBODY could have beat Bush, except for John Kerry running on the platform of "I'm not Bush". Completely retarded, and if you look back on my posts, I totally called it too.

Now fast forward to today. Hillary and Obama? Are you kidding me? Not only do the pick two candidates that in and of themselves are going to be hard enough to elect, they also let them rip each other apart. Hillary Clinton pounds on Obama over the preacher's crazy sermons, and the Republicans get to sit back and say "We take Obama at his word that he doesn't believe the same things.". The Republicans come out as the good guys mean while the "unity party" destroys its self with in fighting. Well done!

At this point, I think the Democrats may well be finished for this election. It can play out in a couple of different ways:

1) Hillary sweeps many of the remaining primaries but still doesn't have enough delegates. She backroom deals her way in to the nomination by way of Super Delegates and/or possible changes in loyalties of "pledged delegates". The general election ends up tainted with an air of illegitimacy, the Democrats rally together too late and McCain wins.

2) Obama wins cleanly the election and is painted as first a terrorist sympathizer, and ultimately as an enabler. The election becomes about national security more than about economy and McCain, the soldier the POW destroys Obama the terrorist.

3) Hillary somehow pulls a clean or semi clean nomination off, has already passed the "Commander In Chief" test (that is nobody thinks she's not tough enough anymore), the election boils down to the economy and she narrowly wins over McCain.

Personally, I'm getting a funny feeling it will be the first option. That's my prediction at this point.

So again, what is wrong with Democrats? Why can't the unity party get their shit together? Seriously.

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Tempest

Because they try and be all things to all people, they use sentences with more than 5 words in them, they try and explain the way things really are as opposed to how people would like them to be, and they tend to avoid playing to the racists, fear and war mongers.

WarChild

That's not the real problem though. The problem is they make fundamental mistakes.

I think a lot more people would vote for Obama in a general election if Hillary hadn't spent so much time ripping him apart and dragging him in to a fight in the mud.

I mean, can you really believe that thus far the Republicans have played a cleaner game. Even McCain won't come out and say Obama's a radical in relation to the church scandal. No, he sits back and says "I take Mr. Obama at his word, it's a non issue.".

I find the whole thing incredible, really.

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baddog

A week or so ago I saw a Gallup poll that said the 29% of Clinton supporters would not vote for Obama against McCain, and 19% of Obama supporters woulf not vote for Clinton against McCain.

Of course, I have been saying this all along, so I hope they did not spend too much money on that.

Some Guy

The democratic party has been a joke for years now. Back in the day, democrats use to stand for something. Now they've just devolved into whiney little pussies.

It's true.

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Good one...

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Rorschach

Nov 2008 is when martial law sweeps through America. They've come this far, do you think the Neocons are going to step down now? The actions of either party at this stage are irrelevant. You mark my words, false flag in Nov followed by martial law... It's going down!

Kard63

The Dems like to nominate unelectable candidates to stick it to the man. Kinda short sighted eh?

My question is whats with the white trash republicans stealing the power from the conservatives?

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Tempest

I was actually attempting some humor with some sarcastic yet somewhat truthfull comments.

Don't fool yourself about the repubs.. They've been "cleaner" so far because it's not the election yet.. If Obama wins it will get extremely ugly.. I've seen plenty of the pundents (on CNN surprisingly) already making veiled racist type comments in order to play to the racist voters out there. Once the 5xx groups get involved it will be a blood bath out there and the tensions in the US will go nuts..

WarChild

When this doesn't come to pass will you please not come back with any more wild crap? Thank you in advance.

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Rorschach

Bush nukes Iran -> domestic terrorism in US -> martial law -> election is suspended

They've already set up all the legal side of things so they Neocon bastards can seize control... You really think they won't do it?

I'll bump this thread in a few months, when the US is in lockdown

ronbotx

What is your age and educational level/major?

Did you make it through high school or are you still attending?

Libertine

I think you're probably wrong on this one.

Remember, anything Clinton's campaign can find, the Republicans can find, too. And the Republicans don't have an interest in playing nice, whereas Clinton's campaign does.

Once Obama gets nominated as the Democratic candidate (which I'm fairly sure he will), the Republicans are going to go on an all-out offensive. Any dirt the Clinton campaign hasn't dug up by then will get dug up and exposed by the Republicans.

I'd have preferred to see Clinton get the nomination, but since Obama will probably get it, I hope he'll win the general election. Still, if the mud Clinton is slinging at him right now is enough to seriously hurt him, the mud the Republicans will be slinging at him soon will be enough to bury him

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Rorschach

How can supposedly intelligent people prefer Clinton over Obama? Clinton is quite clearly Bush III...

GregE

Wrong. Clinton is Clinton II.

It's like this, she had a major say in what went down during Bill's presidency (damn near as much as him) and if she were elected it would be the same drill all over again except this time it would be she who would have the final say.

It's all academic at this point though, Obama is going to get the nomination.

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smax

When this doesn't happen, do you promise to never post here again? or if you do continue to post will you eat your crow?

OP- No idea what the Dems are doing, they had this election in the bag but it seems like they are doing everything in their power to screw it up

baddog

About it.

kane

This election so far has had nothing but surprises. 9 months ago it was all but a forgone conclusion that Rudy would be president. 6 months ago it looked like Hilary was untouchable and could maybe challenge Rudy. Now Rudy is long gone and Hilary is clawing to stay alive. Anything could happen. I think nobody saw McCain winning and nobody gave Obama much of a chance either.

That all said here is how I see it playing out.

Obama wins the nomination. Hilary is all but done right now. Even if she sweeps the remaining primaries she would have to win by a huge margin just to take the delegate lead. That's not going to happen. Whoever wins or loses in these states it will be close. Obama will go into the convention with more delegates and a lead in the popular vote and in the end the superdelegates will pick him. They know if they pick Hilary it will fracture the party and she will have no chance of winning.

Obama goes into the general election against McCain. All of the stuff brought up by Hilary against Obama now really will mean nothing. People have short memories and they will never remember in November what happened back in March and April. McCain will play the homeland security card. He is the warrior and will try to play the card the way Bush did by convincing the people that he is the one who can keep them safe. Neither of them really have much of a domestic agenda so if Obama can come up with something he could counter with that. Obama has talked tough about terrorism and he has said he would end the war in Iraq. More than 70% of the people no longer approve of the war in Iraq. Taking the stance that he will end it will get him some votes.

McCain can't sling that much mud for fear of the avalanche that will fall on him. Obama is a newbie. He has a few skeletons in his closet, but McCain has spend decades in politics and those ghosts will be making a return. Obama may have an ant hill of dirt that could be tossed on him, but McCain undoubtably has a mountian. Historically the democrats have been pussies and not fought back when challenged by the republicans. The Clintons fought back and won. If Obama does the same he can to. People want to see that their president is someone that will defend himself. Obama can overcome the security issue by showing he has a plan to keep people safe and to help with economy. McCain will be tainted by the failure of Bush and you can bet Obama won't let people forget how often McCain supported Bush. If McCain slings mud and Obama returns the favor McCain will spend most of the election defending his past positions, votes, deals etc ala John Kerry.

All said and done when you add in the potential lack of mud slinging, the fact that the hard conservative right may not fully support McCain, the republican backlash we are in the middle of and the fact that Obama is a rock star that people love to hear and want to believe in it ends with Obama wining a very close election.


Then again Bush could catch Bin Laden, there could be a turn for the better in Iraq and the economy could be stabilizing and then McCain would probably crush him. Obama needs things to be bad so he can sell change. If things are good. McCain can convince people to trust him.

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