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nico-t · 03-26-2008, 10:31 AM

what about the paysites? will they be moved too? because only moving the cash sites doesnt really makes that much of a difference if the paysites will be down all the time

WZRogeR · 03-26-2008, 11:07 AM

expertdollrs is down too

gero · 03-26-2008, 05:02 PM

Hi Guys,

Some updates on the attacks. Yeah it's going on for over a month now. Who does it. Almost 100% sure that it's a competitor. Is it cruel? Yes it's cruel, this is the point, to be cruel. I don't want to disclose more on this, but if you hit me up 1-1 I can tell more. I'm pretty sure they are reading this thread now.

Right now our top priority is to be stable. It will take some time to finish it up, so until that Prolexic has to deal with the attackers.

We are building up our own in-house solution, by eliminating all 3rd party bottlenecks. That's why it takes some times. Once we are consolidated we will come up with something how to make everybody happy and how to re-build our business, what take us 5 years to build, but took some people (who I hope that life will punish for this) few weeks to demolish.

Will talk to you soon.

ladida · 03-26-2008, 06:08 PM

A month? It hasn't stop'd basically since you got hit first time. That's not a month man.

How do you know it's a competitor?

testpie · 03-26-2008, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gero

Hi Guys,

Some updates on the attacks. Yeah it's going on for over a month now. Who does it. Almost 100% sure that it's a competitor. Is it cruel? Yes it's cruel, this is the point, to be cruel. I don't want to disclose more on this, but if you hit me up 1-1 I can tell more. I'm pretty sure they are reading this thread now.

Right now our top priority is to be stable. It will take some time to finish it up, so until that Prolexic has to deal with the attackers.

We are building up our own in-house solution, by eliminating all 3rd party bottlenecks. That's why it takes some times. Once we are consolidated we will come up with something how to make everybody happy and how to re-build our business, what take us 5 years to build, but took some people (who I hope that life will punish for this) few weeks to demolish.

Will talk to you soon.

So basically you are saying that Prolexic doesn't do what it says on the tin?

Matyko · 03-26-2008, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gero

Any info is highly appreciated.

It's time to hit up Brad Mitchell @ MojoHost... Seriously.

Gero, Zoli & 21SC Team: good luck to you all, I'm sure you'll get over this problem very soon and you will get back the support of all your affiliates and members. Peace

inkognito · 03-27-2008, 01:51 AM

too slow loading...

but...it's up :D

gero · 03-27-2008, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladida

A month? It hasn't stop'd basically since you got hit first time. That's not a month man.

How do you know it's a competitor?

Well the recent attack is going on for over a month now. Since we got hit for the first time we had weeks when they didn't attack us 24/7. Now we are under attack 24/7 for over a month now, that's what I'm referring to as a "month".

And I was talking to Mojohost as well. And to many other hosts. And at the end of the road many of the hosts has also Prolexic as the final solution for DDoS. They have some kind of in-house protection, but when it fails they go to Prolexic.

And yeah Prolexic is doing what you guys are seeing right now. This is the service and protection they can provide. Our full traffic is running via them since the first attack back in Jun 2007.

And how we know it's a competitor. Too many coincidences let's call it this way. If you are interested I can tell you more about this via ICQ, but not on the boards. As I'm sure they are reading this right now.

GoNe · 03-27-2008, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gero

Well the recent attack is going on for over a month now. Since we got hit for the first time we had weeks when they didn't attack us 24/7. Now we are under attack 24/7 for over a month now, that's what I'm referring to as a "month".

And I was talking to Mojohost as well. And to many other hosts. And at the end of the road many of the hosts has also Prolexic as the final solution for DDoS. They have some kind of in-house protection, but when it fails they go to Prolexic.

And yeah Prolexic is doing what you guys are seeing right now. This is the service and protection they can provide. Our full traffic is running via them since the first attack back in Jun 2007.

And how we know it's a competitor. Too many coincidences let's call it this way. If you are interested I can tell you more about this via ICQ, but not on the boards. As I'm sure they are reading this right now.

Whats your icq? My icq is in the sig.

ladida · 03-27-2008, 09:29 AM

And his icq is in his info...

Anyway, someone got it good after you if all these hosts can't provide anything and it's going on this long. Too bad, you have great sites otherwise, but im sure you pissed alot of affiliates.

gero · 03-27-2008, 04:49 PM

I got many follow ups via ICQ from you guys trying to help us out what we really appreciate. This post will hopefully clarify few things regarding our attacker, our host CWIE and Prolexic to let the industry see clear.

CWIE was giving us all the help what they were capable of on their side as a host. They were giving us advises and guidances how they see the problem and what we should try. They were trying to fix network problems - I assume the best they could - with Prolexic together if it was arising. At this point that's all they could do as they have no in-house DDoS mitigation solution what many of you are "asking for" from the host side. Big props for Tom on CWIE side for his help, I feel he was the one who helped us the most and who was the most responsive and cooperative on solving arising problems. I would feel totally lost without him for sure.

On Prolexic; they are responsible for the DDoS mitigation at this point on our side 100%. They try to keep the track with the attacks and adjust their filtering as it changes. If we notice and notify them if something is not working, then they try to follow up with the problem and adjust what they can. I guess they were trying their best and this is all they can do for us right now. Most of the hosts who you guys are mentioned as bullet-proof has Prolexic as the final protection solution. Maybe if they work directly together with hosts they can provide a better uptime than what we just experienced. Maybe their reaction time in filtering is also faster if a host is sitting on their back and not only an adult company.

The server moves what we mentioned are done in-house at CWIE due to the reason that our investment into new hardware needed us to be physically transfered to a different location as we grew out the rack spaces at our current location. Not to mention this moving process is not helping on our situation and postponing our protection implementation. But we are proceeding, even right now.

And now the interesting part, the attackers!

We got confident that the attacks are coming from a competitor in one specific niche. As many of you might know well, we are getting the product from content providers, and this is what we put online and manage. We are not responsible for direct content production on our side.

Our owner got contacted the affiliate program who we guess that might be behind the attacks. So we will see what is their answer. Based on the information we gained the past few weeks we have a belief that those competitor guys might be pissed off on the content provider who shoot for the "problematic" website and the attacks might be the "revenge" against the named content provider. We don't know whether it's true or not that they had conflicts in the past, but at this point we are really interested. So we contacted also our content provider to clarify the issue if they had something in the past what we should know about. So we are looking for both feedbacks.

Our company was never aggressive against anybody and we were always in order to do fair business in all our relationships. We don't like shady things, we like to keep things clear and we respect other's business. Also we believe in open communication.

So based on the follow up what we are awaiting from the content provider and the competitive affiliate program owner we will shut down one of our sites which causes majority of our problems and will break all kind of relationship with the named content provider. The site will be stopped in updates, we will cut all payouts towards the content provider and as the site will be merged into our network until it fades away. Obviously we have innocent members and affiliate to take care of who signed up or promoted that site, so the affiliate links will remain active and the payouts are going to be continued. By time the site will die on it's own without being updated and at least we can avoid on the charge-back problems what would arise if we black out the site from the Internet.

We believe that as we have the intention to cut all relationship towards the "problematic" content provider, the attackers will see our good will to cooperate and not to go against one's business if there are certain issues in the background what we find unacceptable. So this will solve the constant attack problems for good. I am positive that they have also employees with families and affiliates - I am sure many common affiliates - who they don't want to punish innocently anymore.

As unfortunately we have to keep our skepticism remaining alive about potential future attacks we will keep issuing all the in-house protection what we feel necessary to avoid such DDoS issues to happen anymore in the future.

If anybody has any questions, feel free to hit me up via ICQ.

gero · 03-27-2008, 05:13 PM

... and also I'm feeling very sorry for our industry, that we have to deal with such issues even if you try to build a honest and legitimate business.

((

Fucksakes · 03-27-2008, 05:15 PM

21sexturycash did awesome for me the 1-2 months i promoted them. still today 1 year later I still make sales and rebills, sad to see them having so much troubles with attacks

ladida · 03-27-2008, 05:18 PM

Woa, you got pushed.

I guess if you feel there's nothing else you can do, and it costs you alot of money, it's the smart thing to do, however, i always feel that little "don't give into terrorists" as someone might decide to push you around on something else.

gero · 03-27-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladida

Woa, you got pushed.

I guess if you feel there's nothing else you can do, and it costs you alot of money, it's the smart thing to do, however, i always feel that little "don't give into terrorists" as someone might decide to push you around on something else.

Well that's why we will finish our protection system. So no such issue would happen anymore. But also we are nice guys and we rather walk away and do our business in peace than start fighting on things what might not be 100% correct. I'm really curious on both parties feedback. (The content provider and the competitive program.) Bad vibes and energy is not good for anyone. Look at the world what all the fight does to it? Does this make it a better place? No, for sure not. Everybody will just suffer.

Now that we know who is behind this, we could start DDoSing back, but where would it lead? Killing each other's business and ruining the life of families? Common people, we are adults, we should behave that way.

But if we would have no other option we will fight until we die for sure, but that's the last step.

Miguel T · 03-27-2008, 05:32 PM

It is still down for me...

gero · 03-27-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbsolutePorn

It is still down for me...

then it's only you ip that might be blocked. try via a proxy like the-cloak.com

03-26-2008, 11:07 AM	#52
WZRogeR My Sig was too Big! :( Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,126	expertdollrs is down too __________________

03-26-2008, 05:02 PM	#53
gero Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Budapest Posts: 64	Some updates Hi Guys, Some updates on the attacks. Yeah it's going on for over a month now. Who does it. Almost 100% sure that it's a competitor. Is it cruel? Yes it's cruel, this is the point, to be cruel. I don't want to disclose more on this, but if you hit me up 1-1 I can tell more. I'm pretty sure they are reading this thread now. Right now our top priority is to be stable. It will take some time to finish it up, so until that Prolexic has to deal with the attackers. We are building up our own in-house solution, by eliminating all 3rd party bottlenecks. That's why it takes some times. Once we are consolidated we will come up with something how to make everybody happy and how to re-build our business, what take us 5 years to build, but took some people (who I hope that life will punish for this) few weeks to demolish. Will talk to you soon.

03-26-2008, 06:08 PM	#54
ladida Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,172	A month? It hasn't stop'd basically since you got hit first time. That's not a month man. How do you know it's a competitor? __________________ agentGFY at gmail.com

03-27-2008, 01:51 AM	#57
inkognito Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 284	too slow loading... but...it's up :D __________________ We are not kidding with our sites, so we choose cheap and PERFECT Amerinoc hosting company! View My Sites & Request A Link Exchange - LinkSpun.com ICQ: 45465042 qiza: 428063272 [TRADES]

03-27-2008, 09:29 AM	#60
ladida Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,172	And his icq is in his info... Anyway, someone got it good after you if all these hosts can't provide anything and it's going on this long. Too bad, you have great sites otherwise, but im sure you pissed alot of affiliates. __________________ agentGFY at gmail.com

03-26-2008, 10:31 AM	#51
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	what about the paysites? will they be moved too? because only moving the cash sites doesnt really makes that much of a difference if the paysites will be down all the time

03-27-2008, 04:49 PM	#61
gero Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Budapest Posts: 64	I got many follow ups via ICQ from you guys trying to help us out what we really appreciate. This post will hopefully clarify few things regarding our attacker, our host CWIE and Prolexic to let the industry see clear. CWIE was giving us all the help what they were capable of on their side as a host. They were giving us advises and guidances how they see the problem and what we should try. They were trying to fix network problems - I assume the best they could - with Prolexic together if it was arising. At this point that's all they could do as they have no in-house DDoS mitigation solution what many of you are "asking for" from the host side. Big props for Tom on CWIE side for his help, I feel he was the one who helped us the most and who was the most responsive and cooperative on solving arising problems. I would feel totally lost without him for sure. On Prolexic; they are responsible for the DDoS mitigation at this point on our side 100%. They try to keep the track with the attacks and adjust their filtering as it changes. If we notice and notify them if something is not working, then they try to follow up with the problem and adjust what they can. I guess they were trying their best and this is all they can do for us right now. Most of the hosts who you guys are mentioned as bullet-proof has Prolexic as the final protection solution. Maybe if they work directly together with hosts they can provide a better uptime than what we just experienced. Maybe their reaction time in filtering is also faster if a host is sitting on their back and not only an adult company. The server moves what we mentioned are done in-house at CWIE due to the reason that our investment into new hardware needed us to be physically transfered to a different location as we grew out the rack spaces at our current location. Not to mention this moving process is not helping on our situation and postponing our protection implementation. But we are proceeding, even right now. And now the interesting part, the attackers! We got confident that the attacks are coming from a competitor in one specific niche. As many of you might know well, we are getting the product from content providers, and this is what we put online and manage. We are not responsible for direct content production on our side. Our owner got contacted the affiliate program who we guess that might be behind the attacks. So we will see what is their answer. Based on the information we gained the past few weeks we have a belief that those competitor guys might be pissed off on the content provider who shoot for the "problematic" website and the attacks might be the "revenge" against the named content provider. We don't know whether it's true or not that they had conflicts in the past, but at this point we are really interested. So we contacted also our content provider to clarify the issue if they had something in the past what we should know about. So we are looking for both feedbacks. Our company was never aggressive against anybody and we were always in order to do fair business in all our relationships. We don't like shady things, we like to keep things clear and we respect other's business. Also we believe in open communication. So based on the follow up what we are awaiting from the content provider and the competitive affiliate program owner we will shut down one of our sites which causes majority of our problems and will break all kind of relationship with the named content provider. The site will be stopped in updates, we will cut all payouts towards the content provider and as the site will be merged into our network until it fades away. Obviously we have innocent members and affiliate to take care of who signed up or promoted that site, so the affiliate links will remain active and the payouts are going to be continued. By time the site will die on it's own without being updated and at least we can avoid on the charge-back problems what would arise if we black out the site from the Internet. We believe that as we have the intention to cut all relationship towards the "problematic" content provider, the attackers will see our good will to cooperate and not to go against one's business if there are certain issues in the background what we find unacceptable. So this will solve the constant attack problems for good. I am positive that they have also employees with families and affiliates - I am sure many common affiliates - who they don't want to punish innocently anymore. As unfortunately we have to keep our skepticism remaining alive about potential future attacks we will keep issuing all the in-house protection what we feel necessary to avoid such DDoS issues to happen anymore in the future. If anybody has any questions, feel free to hit me up via ICQ.

03-27-2008, 05:13 PM	#62
gero Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Budapest Posts: 64	... and also I'm feeling very sorry for our industry, that we have to deal with such issues even if you try to build a honest and legitimate business. ((

03-27-2008, 05:15 PM	#63
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	21sexturycash did awesome for me the 1-2 months i promoted them. still today 1 year later I still make sales and rebills, sad to see them having so much troubles with attacks

03-27-2008, 05:18 PM	#64
ladida Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,172	Woa, you got pushed. I guess if you feel there's nothing else you can do, and it costs you alot of money, it's the smart thing to do, however, i always feel that little "don't give into terrorists" as someone might decide to push you around on something else. __________________ agentGFY at gmail.com

03-27-2008, 05:32 PM	#66
Miguel T ♦ Web Developer ♦ Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Full-Stack Developer Posts: 12,472	It is still down for me... __________________ Full Stack Webdeveloper: HTML5/CSS3, jQuery, AJAX, ElevatedX, NATS, MechBunny, Wordpress