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Doctor Dre · 03-04-2008, 01:29 PM

ROFL what a fucking idiot.

He looked high on cocaine.

xclusive · 03-04-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Im back from going out to breakfast. I was only gone for 2 hours and Im back and already I have 8 icqs from people who have read this thread wanting to do biz with me and tube sites.

You really think the biz is not trying to evolve into what has already begun? You really think everyone wants to see the end of tube sites?

Think again. Ive seen nothing but the opposite.

Sean is right. If it aint him then it will be someone else. I got 8 of em lined up right now.

Its just that easy.

There is a huge difference with legit tubes and the ones filled with stolen content. If you worked a deal where it was all legit good for you. Not one bad word would be spoken towards you. But to continue to justify AFF and their scumbag ways is a disservice to you. I'm sure they give you a lot of money from what you earn. But to kiss ass and lose your pride for a paycheck is sad. If you truly believe they are in the right you're no better than them and that's just sad.

baddog · 03-04-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

Are you sure? Anyone second this? Looks quite similar to me..

wow big man .. lucky you

PS. Is she member of this board?

I don't believe I have seen her post, no.

TampaToker · 03-04-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

The Andrew guy is an idiot to publicly attack someone like that and to blame it all on AFF.

Sean is right that we can't just ignore tube sites and we do need to evolve as times change. Sean just took it very personal and got upset, he should have seen it would get ugly and take a different approach.

AFF is doing nothing illegal, tube sites are legal as long as they follow DMCA. It's not AFF's job to police their content. If they are working with tube sites that don't follow the rules, then yeah give them some pressure to stop advertising with them, but don't attack ONE GUY in front of 500 people because you disagree.

um see you missed a the part in video 4 i believe were Sean actually shouted out lets talk about advertising on tube sites. He opened the door and got his ass handed to him cause he was trying to be witty. Then he went after DJ dude and Dj dude kindly put him in his place.

Also refresh my memory but didn't you go on this whole spyware crusade making shirts and everything else when the zango issue came up? Even thu zango is completely legal. Also Aff was popping ads over amateurmatch for how long? They were taking money from you and your affiliates and yet you were still taking the time to post with them in pictures go figure.

Sean should of got flamed for opening his mouth like he did. He even went as far to say " our content is on the tube site too" Prior to the penthouse buy out which was what 2 months ago? What content of there was all over tubes sites? I didn't know they make there own content . Bottom line is sponsors who allow there sites to be advertised on tube sites with stolen content are funding piracy

DatingGold · 03-04-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

um see you missed a the part in video 4 i believe were Sean actually shouted out lets talk about advertising on tube sites. He opened the door and got his ass handed to him cause he was trying to be witty. Then he went after DJ dude and Dj dude kindly put him in his place.

Also refresh my memory but didn't you go on this whole spyware crusade making shirts and everything else when the zango issue came up? Even thu zango is completely legal. Also Aff was popping ads over amateurmatch for how long? They were taking money from you and your affiliates and yet you were still taking the time to post with them in pictures go figure.

Sean should of got flamed for opening his mouth like he did. He even went as far to say " our content is on the tube site too" Prior to the penthouse buy out which was what 2 months ago? What content of there was all over tubes sites? I didn't know they make there own content . Bottom line is sponsors who allow there sites to be advertised on tube sites with stolen content are funding piracy

yeah I didnt watch part 4 and I don't really care to. Zango was deceptive/illegal as the FTC proved when they fined them.

I'm sure cams.com gets their content stolen all the time, as we do with webcamclub.com. But yeah, that doesn't necessarily make anything right.

TampaToker · 03-04-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

yeah I didnt watch part 4 and I don't really care to. Zango was deceptive/illegal as the FTC proved when they fined them.

I'm sure cams.com gets their content stolen all the time, as we do with webcamclub.com. But yeah, that doesn't necessarily make anything right.

No see you are wrong Zango is not illegal. What zango got fined for was webmaster installing it on surfers computers with out the surfers consent. The whole zango business model is completely legal.

tucker · 03-04-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

yeah I didnt watch part 4 and I don't really care to.

Andrew didnt flame him out of the blue, he opened the door and he started with me...I actually asked him if he really wanted to have the conversation right then and there that was cut out and Andrew asked him a very valid question and made extremely valid points for which I commend him.

ALSO - read up on contributory infringement...in essence if you know they have a lot of stolen material and you...well...help them like advertise, you too can be held liable.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca5...QuestionID=268

GTS Mark · 03-04-2008, 06:31 PM

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

psili · 03-04-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

Didn't you get cry when someone called our wife a bad name?
Eh... that's not the point... The point is, when will you start selling "tube traffic"? Really, if you can't convert any other type of traffic on your own so you pawn it off on others willing to purchase it, when does the "tube" niche start?

I'm still pretty amazed you're able to filter and sell traffic but you can't convert it internally... That's bad ass. Props to you for that.

GTS Mark · 03-04-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

Didn't you get cry when someone called our wife a bad name?
Eh... that's not the point... The point is, when will you start selling "tube traffic"? Really, if you can't convert any other type of traffic on your own so you pawn it off on others willing to purchase it, when does the "tube" niche start?

I'm still pretty amazed you're able to filter and sell traffic but you can't convert it internally... That's bad ass. Props to you for that.

We sell tube traffic right now, been selling it for months

We convert a ton of our own traffic actually, however we don't have time to convert it all. Plus we make awesome money selling it to heavy hitters like AFF who can make more than we can.

DH

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2008, 07:01 PM

Simply Owned.

That is all.

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

I bet if someone used your sweat and blood without your permission, I could hear your crying all the way here in GA.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2008, 07:10 PM

I watched the whole thing the other night and put alot of thought about whats been going on.

It was kinda heart breaking to see guys on that panel some that I have known for years that have been fighting thieves for the better part of lives.

Content production and creation is no easy task and for content to be blatantly stolen like is these days is rape.

Only 1 valid thing shawn said...

"Where is the traffic?"
"Where is the traffic these days! Its at Tube sites."

Thats about all that needed to be said because thats the truth. The Traffic is at Tube sites these days hands down and they are also the #1 violator of content copyrights at this moment.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Im back from going out to breakfast. I was only gone for 2 hours and Im back and already I have 8 icqs from people who have read this thread wanting to do biz with me and tube sites.

You really think the biz is not trying to evolve into what has already begun? You really think everyone wants to see the end of tube sites?

Think again. Ive seen nothing but the opposite.

Sean is right. If it aint him then it will be someone else. I got 8 of em lined up right now.

Its just that easy.

I totally see your point. But what's the output?

Should producers stop to produce new content, should they stop cause it will never have value again and they will never be able to market their product on their own?

The whole affiliate model doesn't make sense if all the places (sites) attracting traffic will have tons of other free porn, cause noone - not the producer nor the affiliate will make a buck.

According to my experience, your conversion rate from the same amount of traffic drops at half, if you put in a 90 sec. trailer, but that's still ok because it's only your shit in there and people either pay for your stuff or leave.

Now imagine it's another 5000 x 90 sec. clips from different producers competing with you at the same site - another massive drop of conversion unless you want to pay for premium spots.

Should you, as a content producer start with tube sites, trying to market your own stuff for free and flood the market with so much free porn the guys will be forced to stop to jerk off cause it won't be in anymore ?

This all only makes sense for the site owners and traffic brokers. The whole business model where porn, as something that is taboo, that has value and where you can find your audience, tease and sell will be ruined.

The stronger dog always fucks the most but this is a very unique situation, where a couple of big dogs can ridiculously gang bang the whole industry to make a couple of bucks more.

TheAmericanCannibal · 03-04-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dodger21

its retards like that fucktard that make this "business" a joke

I beg to differ
There are retards in this biz that you cannot even fathom, holding positions they should not have. A lot of them even post here

90% of them came in this business only two or three years ago and have no comprehension of how this business works or who people are.

Whether they are right or wrong, I can assure you that Lars and Sean are no retards when it comes to this business

TampaToker · 03-04-2008, 07:43 PM

Will76 hit me up on icq and said " that it total BULLSHIT. I didn't break any rules and I told eric as much on icq but he wont reply back to me. Yes, Eric asked me to drop it and I did. John made another post about it making up lies about me, so I replied to John, why is John not banned then? I don't make any money on that fucking site on posting on it, i don't spam my shit like John, and in the past I have been a top advertiser on 2 different occasions. I have never been given a "stick" or fucked anyone or anything. I pissed off John and John keeps it going and I reply to him and i get banned. total bullshit. Eric might as well make it a permanent one because unless I get an apology I will take my posts and business to another site."

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

I beg to differ
There are retards in this biz that you cannot even fathom, holding positions they should not have. A lot of them even post here

90% of them came in this business only two or three years ago and have no comprehension of how this business works or who people are.

Whether they are right or wrong, I can assure you that Lars and Sean are no retards when it comes to this business

The problem is everyone forgets they werent in this business they are in the personal's business which is why they did give a flying fuck who they hurt by buying all those ads on illegal tubes. Of course they have a different opinion they dont produce content.

tucker · 03-04-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Whether they are right or wrong, I can assure you that Lars and Sean are no retards when it comes to this business

AMEN to that. They are both VERY VERY smart!

justsexxx · 03-05-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

It doesn't suprise me you stand up for your bro's!

Ambergirl · 03-05-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

Think back to early YNot, Rick, Ron, Serge, RB and JoeBonix days ? admittedly, my partner and I saw an opportunity to create membership sites with a fuck-load of content that we stole from newsgroups. We organized the stolen content beautifully, threw it up behind password protected areas and hooked up with DMR to process our sites.

At this point "stolen content" wasn't even a subject matter; back then, it was simply a free-for-all (*hint*nudge*hint* ? like tube sites today). After about a year of kick ass profits from our well organized stolen content we decided to cover our asses, got rid of all of the 'free' content we took and searched hard for company's that sold legal net content - we bought up all available copyright content that we could get our hands on.

Most of the alumni of our industry started their membership sites in this way. The point is, we saw an opportunity and we took it; and then we self-regulated (along with the rest of the industry).

In that same vein, I completely agree with you DrinkingHARDEST, "large tube sites are ALL going legit." Looking at the big picture, it's smart business (to be where the traffic is) and it's only a matter of time before the industry evolves to legit tube sites, the same way the industry has always grown, improved and evolved.

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ambergirl

Think back to early YNot, Rick, Ron, Serge, RB and JoeBonix days ? admittedly, my partner and I saw an opportunity to create membership sites with a fuck-load of content that we stole from newsgroups. We organized the stolen content beautifully, threw it up behind password protected areas and hooked up with DMR to process our sites.

At this point "stolen content" wasn't even a subject matter; back then, it was simply a free-for-all (*hint*nudge*hint* ? like tube sites today). After about a year of kick ass profits from our well organized stolen content we decided to cover our asses, got rid of all of the 'free' content we took and searched hard for company's that sold legal net content - we bought up all available copyright content that we could get our hands on.

Most of the alumni of our industry started their membership sites in this way. The point is, we saw an opportunity and we took it; and then we self-regulated (along with the rest of the industry).

In that same vein, I completely agree with you DrinkingHARDEST, "large tube sites are ALL going legit." Looking at the big picture, it's smart business (to be where the traffic is) and it's only a matter of time before the industry evolves to legit tube sites, the same way the industry has always grown, improved and evolved.

But they were paying from the beginning correct? I know its hard for the chiefs of the adult industry to understand, once someone is used to getting something for free. When you say now we are legit you have to pay, they don't say of course and take out their wallets.They go to the next free place. They have painted themselves into a corner.

Peaches · 03-05-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

But they were paying from the beginning correct? I know its hard for the chiefs of the adult industry to understand, once someone is used to getting something for free. When you say now we are legit you have to pay, they don't say of course and take out their wallets.They go to the next free place. They have painted themselves into a corner.

No, as Amber correctly stated, they were getting it FREE from newsgroups. There were several software programs that could be used to automatically download all .gif and later on, .jpg files from newsgroups. You'd run them overnight (since everyone was still on dial up) and in the morning you'd have a massive folder of thousands of pictures of free porn.

What, you say? They were able to charge and make millions on pictures that people could get FOR FREE elsewhere? Yep. Free porn availability didn't keep people from making money - even when it was the exact same stuff

Cory W · 03-05-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tucker

AMEN to that. They are both VERY VERY smart!

I really don't see the big deal. Sean gave his side of things in a public forum. Shouldn't that be respected?

The only irritating part for me was XBIZ taking away his microphone.

GTS Mark · 03-05-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I bet if someone used your sweat and blood without your permission, I could hear your crying all the way here in GA.

GTS Mark · 03-05-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

It doesn't suprise me you stand up for your bro's!

I support those who do right by me, and they always have.

DH

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

No, as Amber correctly stated, they were getting it FREE from newsgroups. There were several software programs that could be used to automatically download all .gif and later on, .jpg files from newsgroups. You'd run them overnight (since everyone was still on dial up) and in the morning you'd have a massive folder of thousands of pictures of free porn.

What, you say? They were able to charge and make millions on pictures that people could get FOR FREE elsewhere? Yep. Free porn availability didn't keep people from making money - even when it was the exact same stuff

No your wrong she said they were getting it free to fill up membership areas where people paid for memberships. You cant give full scenes away for free and say now we are legit now you have to pay and now all free scenes are 3 mins.The people like go else where.
example : http://alexa.com/data/details/traffi...ls/gaytube.com

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Fucking content producers is ok with you? Boy your a swell guy.

stickyfingerz · 03-05-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

No your wrong she said they were getting it free to fill up membership areas where people paid for memberships. You cant give full scenes away for free and say now we are legit now you have to pay and now all free scenes are 3 mins.The people like go else where.
example : http://alexa.com/data/details/traffi...ls/gaytube.com

Yes and as Peaches said the content that they CHARGED for was readily available for FREE from the newsgroups. So people could get it for FREE but they still payed...

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes and as Peaches said the content that they CHARGED for was readily available for FREE from the newsgroups. So people could get it for FREE but they still payed...

Because the average surfer doesnt know what a newsgroup is. They never did. Man I hope all this dick sucking you have been doing has been paying off for you.

GTS Mark · 03-05-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Fucking content producers is ok with you? Boy your a swell guy.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-05-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes and as Peaches said the content that they CHARGED for was readily available for FREE from the newsgroups. So people could get it for FREE but they still payed...

Yeah but it doesn't make sense to compare internet and the education of its users 10 years ago and internet nowadays.

Now it's another extreme, you have surfers that will most likely NEVER pay again.

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

its not worth it

Peaches · 03-05-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Because the average surfer doesnt know what a newsgroup is. They never did.

Are you serious? BBS and newsgroups were what the surfers were using for porn back then. There was porn on the internet LONG before the first paysite, lol. In fact, there was a LOT of money to be made spamming newsgroups with paysite links and again, several software programs that did that. If the surfers didn't know about newsgroups, they sure fooled me.

The fact remains that what was available for free was also being sold - at quite a decent profit. Which was Amber's point.

stickyfingerz · 03-05-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Because the average surfer doesnt know what a newsgroup is. They never did. Man I hope all this dick sucking you have been doing has been paying off for you.

lol. It has nothing to do with dick sucking, has to do with the logical progression of the internet. And again the people crying over and over and over about content theft dont give a shit about stopping the theft, only crying about the people using the stolen content. Bah not even going to try.

stickyfingerz · 03-05-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Yeah but it doesn't make sense to compare internet and the education of its users 10 years ago and internet nowadays.

Now it's another extreme, you have surfers that will most likely NEVER pay again.

No cause surfers back then were way more tech savy at the time than those on now. The percentage of people actually online then was way way lower. You had to spend a lot more money to even have a computer. It wasnt like it is now. Joe smo who drives a truck for a living wasn't too likely to get his porn via the internet. He got it from adult book stores in paper bags. So back then it was very likely that those that were online DID know how to use newsgroups. It was also one of the few ways then to get larger files since bandwidth costs for people to have a site were so much.

Its interesting how peoples perceptions of what really happened change over the years I guess. lol

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Are you serious? BBS and newsgroups were what the surfers were using for porn back then. There was porn on the internet LONG before the first paysite, lol. In fact, there was a LOT of money to be made spamming newsgroups with paysite links and again, several software programs that did that. If the surfers didn't know about newsgroups, they sure fooled me.

The fact remains that what was available for free was also being sold - at quite a decent profit. Which was Amber's point.

Are you seriously comparing a newsgroup to the simplicity of a tube? Thats funny.

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

lol. It has nothing to do with dick sucking, has to do with the logical progression of the internet. And again the people crying over and over and over about content theft dont give a shit about stopping the theft, only crying about the people using the stolen content. Bah not even going to try.

Logical progression,the only reason they are big is because they are filled with stolen content that is easy to access. Thats why no legal tube is even close in traffic. Yep hot new business model giving away shit for free that doesn't belong to you. It does keep those pesky content costs down.

tony286 · 03-05-2008, 01:07 PM

Know what Im tired of arguing about this, it will play itself out someone will be right and someone will be wrong.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-05-2008, 01:10 PM

Now all I can say is when Airek came in and corrected that it was pure 100% unadulterated Ownage.

I never seen such ownage before.
Well I have but that was in the top 10.

tucker · 03-05-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I really don't see the big deal. Sean gave his side of things in a public forum. Shouldn't that be respected?

The only irritating part for me was XBIZ taking away his microphone.

I agree with you Cory. Sean and I actually see eye to eye on a lot and I do understand where they are coming from. Its not up to me to tell someone else how to run their business. I was not slamming him, I give that team alot of kudos for what they have and will continue to accomplish. I might not like that they support certain web properties but again not my place to tell them how to run their business.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-05-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

No cause surfers back then were way more tech savy at the time than those on now. The percentage of people actually online then was way way lower. You had to spend a lot more money to even have a computer. It wasnt like it is now. Joe smo who drives a truck for a living wasn't too likely to get his porn via the internet. He got it from adult book stores in paper bags. So back then it was very likely that those that were online DID know how to use newsgroups. It was also one of the few ways then to get larger files since bandwidth costs for people to have a site were so much.

Its interesting how peoples perceptions of what really happened change over the years I guess. lol

Well I more like meant mass spam mailing, pop ups, exits, circle jerking, dialers, infinite rebills... that's what I speak about, not that people didn't had computers and bandwith sucked... do you know any early porn user that wouldn't burn his fingers at least once?

In general, it was a little bit easier to hunt for more buck per single internet user, or don't you agree?

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-05-2008, 02:38 PM

And to add - we are still dealing with the ACCESSIBILITY issue, of course that if you search every p2p in the world you willl be able to find there all the porn in the world.

But what is one word to describe an internet surfer - LAZY.

It will take you ages to find it and download it and you will get pissed with fake descriptions and filenames.

This problem was sucesfully eliminated - with illegal tube sites offering 25 000 scenes in one place, in good quality and immediately accessible. A new piracy2.0. emerged and to find something new and jack off will not take you more than a couple of minutes and you have enough video to keep on returning and jacking off for years.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-05-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

AFF Sean for President!!!

Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites.

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

So in other words they just want to cover their ass with sharing some of the money they stole already from the others..

gideongallery · 03-05-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

I watched the whole thing twice now.

Am I the only one who doest think Sean came off as an idiot?

he made some good point and he made some bad points

but really did a poor job of arguing his point because he accepted the false premise that he was profiting off of stolen content

The fact is if the tube site is obeying the dmca take down request they are exploiting a loophole in the law to distribute the content without permission

it not theft anyway you slice it at best it would be copyright infringement and at worst it would be taking advantage of the legal system.

considering that the entire adult industry is based on a similar loophole it really surprising no one gets it.

GTS Mark · 03-05-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

So in other words they just want to cover their ass with sharing some of the money they stole already from the others..

No i think they see the profitability in working together with content owners and exclusive paysite owners...

gideongallery · 03-05-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker

Andrew didnt flame him out of the blue, he opened the door and he started with me...I actually asked him if he really wanted to have the conversation right then and there that was cut out and Andrew asked him a very valid question and made extremely valid points for which I commend him.

ALSO - read up on contributory infringement...in essence if you know they have a lot of stolen material and you...well...help them like advertise, you too can be held liable.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca5...QuestionID=268

1. contributory infringement doesn't exist in all countries, canada only recognizes intermediary and direct infringement.

2. contributory infringement is the only infringement complaint that results in an abuse of fair use. (every win that has extended fair use rights has been a contributory infringement complaint)

3. you can only be guilty of contributory infringement if there is an direct infringement (see all of your examples from chilling effect) so if the distribution is fair use or comply with the safe harbour provision of the DMCA your arguement doesn't YET hold up.

Now maybe you will get such a ruling thru the courts some day, but accusing him of supporting piracy BEFORE you have met that burden is patently false.

He is supporting what YOU believe will be proven to be piracy some time in the future is a more accurate statement.

Martin · 03-05-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I can't speak for Penthouse, but what Sean was saying was the EXACT shit that LARS was spewing about spyware 2 years ago. I would have to think that Andrew is on the same wave length as well. Someone over there at AFF/Cams is programming these morons to think this way. Its so obvious since they say the exact same excuses for everything, I would bet it's Andrew, seems the most logical. So I doubt he will get fired, they probably air high-5'ed each other when they saw the video and thought he did a good job, where as the rest of us thought he looked like an idiot.

Chances are Penthouse knew what they were buying with AFF/Cams and Penthouse decided to not only keep Andrew,Lars, Sean, etc... on after they bought AFF/Cams but they put them in charge of Penthouse's online properties as well. So, I would think there is no chance in hell that he will be fired, I can't see how Penthouse would have expected anything different than what happened.

Here is something really funny... Sean says " we tried to stop and we have pulled adds on torrent and tube sites but our competition just buys them...." Sean, you work for a Cams, Dating, and membership site... Everyone is your competition. Did you expect the illegal site to close down just because you pulled your ads? You can't be that stupid. There is always going to be shitty people that will do business with these companies. If AFF/CAMS/Penthouse took the high road and then asked all of their affiliates (and everyone else) to not do business with the " competition" who was buying these spots not only would they help clean things up and be heroes, they would make more money in the long run.... it all comes down to greed and how much can i make *tomorrow* mentality.

Will has a great point here.

Martin · 03-05-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now.

DH

Glad to hear it Mark! Tube sites are the way of the future. I have nothing against them. Just the ones ripping hard working people off and making money off it.

FreeHugeMovies · 03-05-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Now all I can say is when Airek came in and corrected that it was pure 100% unadulterated Ownage.

I never seen such ownage before.
Well I have but that was in the top 10.

That is funny as piss.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-05-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

No i think they see the profitability in working together with content owners and exclusive paysite owners...

They don't want to risk gettin sued, so they will rather offer a content deal and every single producer that had his content stolen over there will sign up.

I would even believe that will happen, if no producer would sign up with a site where his content was stolen before - they would get into trouble.

03-04-2008, 07:01 PM	#111
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Simply Owned. That is all. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-04-2008, 07:10 PM	#113
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I watched the whole thing the other night and put alot of thought about whats been going on. It was kinda heart breaking to see guys on that panel some that I have known for years that have been fighting thieves for the better part of lives. Content production and creation is no easy task and for content to be blatantly stolen like is these days is rape. Only 1 valid thing shawn said... "Where is the traffic?" "Where is the traffic these days! Its at Tube sites." Thats about all that needed to be said because thats the truth. The Traffic is at Tube sites these days hands down and they are also the #1 violator of content copyrights at this moment. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-04-2008, 07:43 PM	#116
TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	Will76 hit me up on icq and said " that it total BULLSHIT. I didn't break any rules and I told eric as much on icq but he wont reply back to me. Yes, Eric asked me to drop it and I did. John made another post about it making up lies about me, so I replied to John, why is John not banned then? I don't make any money on that fucking site on posting on it, i don't spam my shit like John, and in the past I have been a top advertiser on 2 different occasions. I have never been given a "stick" or fucked anyone or anything. I pissed off John and John keeps it going and I reply to him and i get banned. total bullshit. Eric might as well make it a permanent one because unless I get an apology I will take my posts and business to another site." __________________ Icq 247-742-205

03-05-2008, 01:10 PM	#139
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Now all I can say is when Airek came in and corrected that it was pure 100% unadulterated Ownage. I never seen such ownage before. Well I have but that was in the top 10. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-05-2008, 02:38 PM	#142
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,516	And to add - we are still dealing with the ACCESSIBILITY issue, of course that if you search every p2p in the world you willl be able to find there all the porn in the world. But what is one word to describe an internet surfer - LAZY. It will take you ages to find it and download it and you will get pissed with fake descriptions and filenames. This problem was sucesfully eliminated - with illegal tube sites offering 25 000 scenes in one place, in good quality and immediately accessible. A new piracy2.0. emerged and to find something new and jack off will not take you more than a couple of minutes and you have enough video to keep on returning and jacking off for years. __________________ CTG Media \| TG: carl_boro \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles\|

03-04-2008, 06:31 PM	#108
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	AFF Sean for President!!! Boneprone tell it like it is man... I am going to bump this thread in 2 years and lets see how many hypocrites posted in here bitching about AFF and likes buying all the advertising up on the tube sites. The reality is that the large tube sites are ALL going legit... Believe it or not within 6 months i would say 90% of the largest tube sites will all have worked out deals with content companies and large affiliate programs to license their content in exchange for traffic. I already know a couple that are in the midst of it right now. DH

03-05-2008, 01:07 PM	#138
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Know what Im tired of arguing about this, it will play itself out someone will be right and someone will be wrong.