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boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:32 AM

I need a tube site.

My programers who ive been with for many years were working on this but have dropped the ball. Anyone else out there want to be part of the family and work for me on this niche?

hit me up on icq. 66883099 with your offer.

Before anyone bashes me, I have an idea and way to make it 100% legal working with my contacts in the biz.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 10:35 AM

There has been many good, and I mean no trolling / no emotions / discussions conceived here about this already, and I guess all that could have been said was more or less said already.

Kind of tough to adapt to a business model where someone is offering your product for free.

It's this unique online and digital nature of the business that enables that, not only to earn money fast but also to scam fastly.

You get your car stolen you can't drive, you get your house robbed off you're fucked, someone steals your wallet you're gonna get into trouble.

Someone is gonna steal your content to sell there cams and dating - what you hear is to adapt or die and if they wouldn't support the thieves someone else would.

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:36 AM

I watched the whole thing twice now.

Am I the only one who doest think Sean came off as an idiot?

candyflip · 03-04-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

I watched the whole thing twice now.

Am I the only one who doest think Sean came off as an idiot?

More than likely, yes.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

I watched the whole thing twice now.

Am I the only one who doest think Sean came off as an idiot?

Sean made some good points, unfortunately none of them was really a defense.

The argument that if I stop selling crack on the corner someone else will just start doing it would never protect me from the police, and in the same fashion it doesn't hold water here.

What Sean SHOULD have just said is "Listen, we basically ran the numbers and we think that no matter how many of you little fries band together, you're never going to really be a threat to us. So sue, cry, whine, bitch, whatever we just don't care. Bbling bling, money aint a thing!"

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Someone is gonna steal your content to sell there cams and dating - what you hear is to adapt or die.

Adapting and evolving is what both sides of the debate want. Evolving and adapting does not mean learn how to steal better. It means evolving into doing this via a legal means.

When I was at Internext I talked to DOZENS of program owners telling them I was thinking of doing an illegal tube site. There wasnt one program that turned me down in working with me. NOT ONE....... I shit you not....

After coming back from internext with shitloads of contacts willing to deal with me and my tube site Ive come up enough contacts to start something that is legal and supported by the content owners. Unlike most tube site owners I have a history with program owners and an ablity to work with them in this process.

This is my version of adapting and evolving..

The program owners who are not willing to work with tube sites are the ones left behind.

Again I talked to dozens of program owners. Every one of them were willing to work with me. The Taboo word of "Tube Site" was a welcome word when I was pitching it. Not one person was even half as angry as the people on this thread.

Where are those people now?

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Adapting and evolving is what both sides of the debate want. Evolving and adapting does not mean learn how to steal better. It means evolving into doing this via a legal means.

When I was at Internext I talked to DOZENS of program owners telling them I was thinking of doing an illegal tube site. There wasnt one program that turned me down in working with me. NOT ONE....... I shit you not....

After coming back from internext with shitloads of contacts willing to deal with me and my tube site Ive come up enough contacts to start something that is legal and supported by the content owners. Unlike most tube site owners I have a history with program owners and an ablity to work with them in this process.

This is my version of adapting and evolving..

The program owners who are not willing to work with tube sites are the ones left behind.

Again I talked to dozens of program owners. Every one of them were willing to work with me. The Taboo word of "Tube Site" was a welcome word when I was pitching it. Not one person was even half as angry as the people on this thread.

Where are those people now?

Sounds like we're working on similar projects. Maybe we should talk.

Holly · 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM

I liked hearing the attorney say, "tranny movies".

I bet he's a freak. I'd love to snoop around on his hard drive.

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM

You people are the real fucking idiots.

The exact same haters I see on panels and talking out against AFF on boards, shows and panels are the same people who kiss my ass at shows wanting biz from me..

You people didnt seem too angry when you heard I was starting a tube site. In fact everyone I talked to wanted in.

They wanted some of that AFF market share.

will76 · 03-04-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

I need a tube site.

My programers who ive been with for many years were working on this but have dropped the ball. Anyone else out there want to be part of the family and work for me on this niche?

hit me up on icq. 66883099 with your offer.

Before anyone bashes me, I have an idea and way to make it 100% legal working with my contacts in the biz.

wait you said we all need to "adapt " or stand on the sidelines and cry.

Why are you going to make something that is 100% legal, will that mean there is no stolen content on your tube site? That is your solution to adapting?

How do you adapt and compete with stolen content. The problem is stolen content and trying to compete with sites that offer full video clips. Making a site with legal content is helping the people with their stolen content all over the net... how ? The same people you keep telling to adapt, how should they adapt to the new internet where everything is stolen and distributed for free.

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Sounds like we're working on similar projects. Maybe we should talk.

Do you have the programing resources?? That is my only drawback. My programers are on a break and I want in now and have been waiting way too long.

I have the contacts of people willing to work with us $$$. They are lining up.

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

wait you said we all need to "adapt " or stand on the sidelines and cry.

Why are you going to make something that is 100% legal, will that mean there is no stolen content on your tube site? That is your solution to adapting?

How do you adapt and compete with stolen content. The problem is stolen content and trying to compete with sites that offer full video clips. Making a site with legal content is helping the people with their stolen content all over the net... how ? The same people you keep telling to adapt, how should they adapt to the new internet where everything is stolen and distributed for free.

Figure it out.

Stop crying for once and Try to evovle a bit....

will76 · 03-04-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

You people are the real fucking idiots.

The exact same haters I see on panels and talking out against AFF on boards, shows and panels are the same people who kiss my ass at shows wanting biz from me..

You people didnt seem too angry when you heard I was starting a tube site. In fact everyone I talked to wanted in.

They wanted some of that AFF market share.

Why would anyone be angry you are starting a tube site ?

i guess someone needs to explain the difference between a "legal" tube site and an "illegal" tube site.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you or anyone else starting a tube site, it's stolen content and creating a site that only exists because it is full of stolen content that is the problem.
You do understand the difference right, because if you did there was no reason for you to make that post.

will76 · 03-04-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Figure it out.

Stop crying for once and Try to evovle a bit....

4 steps ahead of you buddy, just trying to see if you had it figured out yet.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Do you have the programing resources?? That is my only drawback. My programers are on a break and I want in now and have been waiting way too long.

I have the contacts of people willing to work with us $$$. They are lining up.

Yes I have programers. Lots.

I actually have something up and running minus web design now. It started it's life as a common out of the box tube site script we started patching for security. At the end of the day it's about 60% new code, shrug who knew. The plan is to start with this and spec out and design a custom solution longer term.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Why would anyone be angry you are starting a tube site ?

i guess someone needs to explain the difference between a "legal" tube site and an "illegal" tube site.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you or anyone else starting a tube site, it's stolen content and creating a site that only exists because it is full of stolen content that is the problem.
You do understand the difference right, because if you did there was no reason for you to make that post.

Well yes and no. There's two sides to this tube argument, and we're mostly only talking about one here.

1) Stolen content. This is obviously a problem that needs to be solved. It's not something that evolution is going to solve either.

2) Tube site model. There's a large cross section of cry babies who will continue to scream that tube sites, giving away large(r) sized clips, licensed or not are killing their business. They may be right. THIS is where there is room to adapt though.

will76 · 03-04-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Well yes and no. There's two sides to this tube argument, and we're mostly only talking about one here.

1) Stolen content. This is obviously a problem that needs to be solved. It's not something that evolution is going to solve either.

2) Tube site model. There's a large cross section of cry babies who will continue to scream that tube sites, giving away large(r) sized clips, licensed or not are killing their business. They may be right. THIS is where there is room to adapt though.

1. 100% correct.

2. There were a lot of people 6 months ago i agree, but today, i would think 95%+ of the people here understand and have accepted the "Standard" for free porn is 2 - 3 min video clips and they understand that free porn video clips is only going to get longer and longer. (see sig). I don't see many people at all anymore just bitching about legal tube sites.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

1. 100% correct.

2. There were a lot of people 6 months ago i agree, but today, i would think 95%+ of the people here understand and have accepted the "Standard" for free porn is 2 - 3 min video clips and they understand that free porn video clips is only going to get longer and longer. (see sig). I don't see many people at all anymore just bitching about legal tube sites.

I know a guy personally who just dropped $80,000 on content to give away, in huge huge chunks on his tube. I guess we'll see how that plays out.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

When I was at Internext I talked to DOZENS of program owners telling them I was thinking of doing an illegal tube site. There wasnt one program that turned me down in working with me. NOT ONE....... I shit you not....

Where are those people now?

Well if you come to someone and put money on the table, it's always hard to resist to grab them.

Noone cares if that money are from pushing coke, selling stuff that you stole or pimping.

Unless there will be effective legislation and precedent in place and costs of what you can make pushing stolen content at least comparable to what you risk pushing stolen content, it's a tough situation to beat.

If we were back in 99 it would be solved cause noone would be able to afford to stream full length videos, now the bandwith and broadband penetration is in place, so the time of the web 2.0 aka total mess and no control has come..

CurrentlySober · 03-04-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I was a bad bad boy.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Well if you come to someone and put money on the table, it's always hard to resist to grab them.

Noone cares if that money are from pushing coke, selling stuff that you stole or pimping.

Unless there will be effective legislation and precedent in place and costs of what you can make pushing stolen content at least comparable to what you risk pushing stolen content, it's a tough situation to beat.

If we were back in 99 it would be solved cause noone would be able to afford to stream full length videos, now the bandwith and broadband penetration is in place, so the time of the web 2.0 aka total mess and no control has come..

Given the free spirited nature of the Internet and it's massive growth, don't you think it's a little short sighted to think its users would allow us to dictate forever how they consume?

Remember, Person of the year this year was YOU!

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Given the free spirited nature of the Internet and it's massive growth, don't you think it's a little short sighted to think its users would allow us to dictate forever how they consume?

Remember, Person of the year this year was YOU!

Well there existed this thing called p2p ages ago before the tube trend, how much did it hurted your sales? Not a big deal, why?

ACCESIBILITY is the key, you want to download something over p2p it will take you hours, you wanna jerk off with a tube site it will stream right away.

I am totally conserned, that in majority, it's not users who upload the stolen aka full length vids, what motivation would they have to do that?

Who needs updates so people come back to the site and the traffic keeps on growing? Why would you spend probably hours uploading a full length vid? to have a good Robin Hood feeling?

It's either the site owners or someone who pulls there a full length video with a link to his scamblog or whatever that noone clicks at.

At the moment where you would be hypothetically able to prove it's not users, a part of the problem is solved.

GAMEFINEST · 03-04-2008, 11:33 AM

good to know

baddog · 03-04-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

Who is this chick in background? I could not continue the video until I ask ..

Looks like

LOOPNAME Se Vende! · 03-04-2008, 11:38 AM

el borracho mucho cervezas

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 11:43 AM

adapt or die= Im a short term thinker. When governments start filtering porn off the internet because of the swell of tubes. Mark my words then the short term thinkers will cry why are they picking on us?
Wanna know why all these people are embracing illegal tubes because sales are off no matter how much bullshit is thrown here and people are getting scared.Desperate people do desperate things.
If morons think they are going to get all this traffic giving full scenes away that arent theirs and then say now you have to pay and magically they are going to start spending money your playing with yourself.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Given the free spirited nature of the Internet and it's massive growth, don't you think it's a little short sighted to think its users would allow us to dictate forever how they consume?

Remember, Person of the year this year was YOU!

Another thing to remember, CONTROL is a key issue in ANY business,

It's something different to allow people to create their profiles and share videos of their cats and cars and all different kinds of shit that people think interests others, than to let someone benefit from the copyright infridgement.

In other words you exploit something that is so popular that it will surely attract a huge audience, but you have no rights to do so and you are fucking someone else in the ass.

Now imagine, theoretically - there is a real couple that likes to show off and would want to put their own sex video on the web..

Now ask them a simple question:

Would you like to upload it to my site for free or would you want to get also money for that?

What will be the answer?

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

adapt or die= Im a short term thinker. When governments start filtering porn off the internet because of the swell of tubes. Mark my words then the short term thinkers will cry why are they picking on us?
Wanna know why all these people are embracing illegal tubes because sales are off no matter how much bullshit is thrown here and people are getting scared.Desperate people do desperate things.
If morons think they are going to get all this traffic giving full scenes away that arent theirs and then say now you have to pay and magically they are going to start spending money your playing with yourself.

Ahhh Mr. Short Term Thinker himself has arrived. Yes, tube sites are going to kill your business. You're not going to be able to pimp out your wife on the internet for subscription sales, anymore.

Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Given the free spirited nature of the Internet and it's massive growth, don't you think it's a little short sighted to think its users would allow us to dictate forever how they consume?

Remember, Person of the year this year was YOU!

You keep forgetting it cost money to make that content. IF tubes didnt have shitloads of free shit to giveaway they wouldnt be the new hot thing. Look at all the legal tubes they arent even close in traffic to the illegal ones. So its not some hot new model, its fancy shoplifting.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You keep forgetting it cost money to make that content. IF tubes didnt have shitloads of free shit to giveaway they wouldnt be the new hot thing. Look at all the legal tubes they arent even close in traffic to the illegal ones. So its not some hot new model, its fancy shoplifting.

Of course it costs money to make content. That's a given. What you don't get, obviously, is that how you MAKE money on that content is changing.

You don't pay NBC to watch their prime time programs, either.

What's going to happen, is subscription sales as we know it will probably suffer heavily. People like you are going to be sitting around, with your paysites, hoping the users come back and pay for monthly access. Others are going to be giving surfers the porn for free and selling other things to them.

No amount of planning, meeting, crying or whining is going to stop the model emerging. For you and your kind, it really is adapt or die time.

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Ahhh Mr. Short Term Thinker himself has arrived. Yes, tube sites are going to kill your business. You're not going to be able to pimp out your wife on the internet for subscription sales, anymore.

Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.

A FYI she started the site not me. No logic just attack me personally. Have you ever created anything with your time and money to see it just given away?
You cant see this model is training a whole bunch of people not pay for porn again? How is that a longterm business move? I'm talking to you now as a fellow businessman name calling not necessary.

Pleasurepays · 03-04-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

adapt or die= Im a short term thinker.

the problem with "adapt or die" in the context of these conversations usually means "i need a poor explanation to rationalize theft and copy what others are doing while the traffic is there to be had since everyone is jumping on the bandwagon"

otherwise... what is there to adapt to? are paysites going away? photos of naked girls? etc etc. the truth is that tube sites are just one more business model of many that is getting attention because traffic is flocking to 1hr videos which are being given away for free. the funniest thing about it is they few are actually making any money at it.

the traffic is going where "free" and "full length video" is... they are doing that because its being made available to them, largely at the expense of those who produce content.

saying "i'm going to start a legal tube site" is like saying "i'm going to start a legal P2P network" or "i'm going to start a legal bit torrent site" - surfers ultimately flow to the point of best content (longest videos, biggest selection, best quality, best selection etc).

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Of course it costs money to make content. That's a given. What you don't get, obviously, is that how you MAKE money on that content is changing.

You don't pay NBC to watch their prime time programs, either.

What's going to happen, is subscription sales as we know it will probably suffer heavily. People like you are going to be sitting around, with your paysites, hoping the users come back and pay for monthly access. Others are going to be giving surfers the porn for free and selling other things to them.

No amount of planning, meeting, crying or whining is going to stop the model emerging. For you and your kind, it really is adapt or die time.

Do you really thing think governments are going to allow a free porn model paid with ads to exist for how long? This is porn not mainstream tv.Its not a hot model once again because you take away the illegal stuff and the site fades away.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

A FYI she started the site not me. No logic just attack me personally. Have you ever created anything with your time and money to see it just given away?
You cant see this model is training a whole bunch of people not pay for porn again? How is that a longterm business move? I'm talking to you now as a fellow businessman name calling not necessary.

No, again you've got it all backwards.

This model is not training a whole bunch of people not to pay for porn again. The model, rather, emerged as a result of the existing demand. This is the Youtube generation. YOU are the person of the year. You can fight it all you want, but it's the future.

More and more "content" is being given away in every kind of market. From free online video games that sell advertising within, to music and movies and porn.

When it comes to the point that people can effectively monetize this kind of traffic, there won't be so much theft. When thousands of tube sites are looking to license content and fewer paysites are, who do you think the content producers are going to sell to?

Witness television if you will. It costs more and more to advertise each year, and the delivery to targeted audience is less and less each year. As more and more people migrate to online and streaming entertainment, so too will the advertising dollars.

As for making something and having it stolen, no that has not so much been a problem for me yet. On this point we don't disagree though. Theft is wrong, and I don't advocate nor support anyone stealing yours or anyone elses content. This however is a symptom that always emerges. At first movie gallery, tgp, mgp, etc. webmasters were stealing content too. Now paysites give it to them free for promotion. This is the sort of evolution I mean.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Do you really thing think governments are going to allow a free porn model paid with ads to exist for how long? This is porn not mainstream tv.Its not a hot model once again because you take away the illegal stuff and the site fades away.

Goverments take away free porn? Are you serious? Look, I know you're American so you think differently on this than many of us, so I'll cut you some slack. Many goverments in this day and age have backed away from the whole control the population model of days gone by. I don't think you'll see the Dutch, Canadian or any number of liberal countries outlawing it anytime soon.

At the end of the day you make as many laws as you want in the United States trying to control the rest of the World but all you'll really do is alienate yourself from it.

Pleasurepays · 03-04-2008, 12:18 PM

i'm sure Penthouse legal dept was happy to see a representative of their company stand up and say for the record "well... we support content theft and criminal copyright infringement and the facilitation of copyright infringement because people steal from us too... so what's the big deal"

Dangermoose007 · 03-04-2008, 12:19 PM

The business model is in giving the content to the end user for free in exchange for the rights to advertise to them, as opposed to making the customer pay for the content itself. If the Tube sites pays the content producers a share of their advertising revenue then everyone wins. People are still paying for porn, just not in the conventional means paysites promote. You can still be payed for the content you produce, you just need the Tube sites to start sharing fairly with the producers. The NBC analogy is a great one really.

DatingGold · 03-04-2008, 12:20 PM

The Andrew guy is an idiot to publicly attack someone like that and to blame it all on AFF.

Sean is right that we can't just ignore tube sites and we do need to evolve as times change. Sean just took it very personal and got upset, he should have seen it would get ugly and take a different approach.

AFF is doing nothing illegal, tube sites are legal as long as they follow DMCA. It's not AFF's job to police their content. If they are working with tube sites that don't follow the rules, then yeah give them some pressure to stop advertising with them, but don't attack ONE GUY in front of 500 people because you disagree.

Barefootsies · 03-04-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

A FYI she started the site not me. No logic just attack me personally. Have you ever created anything with your time and money to see it just given away?
You cant see this model is training a whole bunch of people not pay for porn again? How is that a longterm business move? I'm talking to you now as a fellow businessman name calling not necessary.

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

No, again you've got it all backwards.

This model is not training a whole bunch of people not to pay for porn again. The model, rather, emerged as a result of the existing demand. This is the Youtube generation. YOU are the person of the year. You can fight it all you want, but it's the future.

More and more "content" is being given away in every kind of market. From free online video games that sell advertising within, to music and movies and porn.

When it comes to the point that people can effectively monetize this kind of traffic, there won't be so much theft. When thousands of tube sites are looking to license content and fewer paysites are, who do you think the content producers are going to sell to?

Witness television if you will. It costs more and more to advertise each year, and the delivery to targeted audience is less and less each year. As more and more people migrate to online and streaming entertainment, so too will the advertising dollars.

As for making something and having it stolen, no that has not so much been a problem for me yet. On this point we don't disagree though. Theft is wrong, and I don't advocate nor support anyone stealing yours or anyone elses content. This however is a symptom that always emerges. At first movie gallery, tgp, mgp, etc. webmasters were stealing content too. Now paysites give it to them free for promotion. This is the sort of evolution I mean.

I can see some of your points, I'm not closed minded. This is porn,something that was sold under counters, in stores with blackened windows. Its not a mainstream TV show, I don't think governments will let this model live long. Who knows time will tell.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

The Andrew guy is an idiot to publicly attack someone like that and to blame it all on AFF.

Sean is right that we can't just ignore tube sites and we do need to evolve as times change. Sean just took it very personal and got upset, he should have seen it would get ugly and take a different approach.

AFF is doing nothing illegal, tube sites are legal as long as they follow DMCA. It's not AFF's job to police their content. If they are working with tube sites that don't follow the rules, then yeah give them some pressure to stop advertising with them, but don't attack ONE GUY in front of 500 people because you disagree.

It's awesome. When Airek was involved and it was all hush hush behind closed doors, there was whispers of concern in the background noise. Now that the pirate crews see what they're up against, they're busting a gut laughing.

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Goverments take away free porn? Are you serious? Look, I know you're American so you think differently on this than many of us, so I'll cut you some slack. Many goverments in this day and age have backed away from the whole control the population model of days gone by. I don't think you'll see the Dutch, Canadian or any number of liberal countries outlawing it anytime soon.

At the end of the day you make as many laws as you want in the United States trying to control the rest of the World but all you'll really do is alienate yourself from it.

Isnt 60 percent of all porn bought in the US? If so if they choose to filter it all out, that would hurt the bottom line dont you think? Germany has tough laws, russia is starting antiporn laws. Porn out in the open and even a politican can see easily I dont think they will be so liberal for long. I hope im wrong and your right.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I can see some of your points, I'm not closed minded. This is porn,something that was sold under counters, in stores with blackened windows. Its not a mainstream TV show, I don't think governments will let this model live long. Who knows time will tell.

Well, sure, but thanks in part to the efforts of the Adult industry, the stigma is falling away. Maybe more so in Europe than in North America yet, but things will probably continue down this path.

You probably don't want to write "pornographer" as your occupation on the application form for your child's PTA forms yet though.

quesadilla · 03-04-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

The Andrew guy is an idiot to publicly attack someone like that and to blame it all on AFF.

Sean is right that we can't just ignore tube sites and we do need to evolve as times change. Sean just took it very personal and got upset, he should have seen it would get ugly and take a different approach.

AFF is doing nothing illegal, tube sites are legal as long as they follow DMCA. It's not AFF's job to police their content. If they are working with tube sites that don't follow the rules, then yeah give them some pressure to stop advertising with them, but don't attack ONE GUY in front of 500 people because you disagree.

ROFL at the other dating guy with no skin in the game. you should be ashamed of yourselves for selling people the fake hope that they can "find someone to have sex with in "your city here" and all that other shit anyhow. i know one thing, when i go to rip off report and search for scams, dating comes up first. its no surprise that you don't have a problem with stolen content, you rip off the surfer too. your opinion here is unwanted. god you guys are pathetic.

WarChild · 03-04-2008, 12:33 PM

That old dude should have opened with this monologue instead:

"We're entering a new era indeed. A time when crusty old patent lawyers, well passed their prime and way out of their depth can't justify huge billing hours anymore. Even though I'm so awesome I know about all technology upcoming for the next 15 years, I just can't seem to pay for my youngest son's college as easily as I could a few years back.

In closing, the sky is falling, it's going to hurt like hell but don't worry because I'll be selling umbrellas from my van after this panel. Thank you and goodnight.".

You may use that with my permission next time.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dangermoose007

If the Tube sites pays the content producers a share of their advertising revenue then everyone wins.

This is a total non sense because noone will add their video to be with other 25 000 full length videos for free for a share of the revenue.

Anyone who ever seen how the traffic from these sites converts for them can get you an imagination of how can this traffic convert for the advertisers.

Plus you will also see why these sites limit the amount of video views per IP / day.

Imagine there would be only one super multi site in the world with all the video ever produced for free, what will happen?

The product will not exist anymore, the brands will not exist anymore, the video business will not exist anymore, because there will be noone paying you for your product, you will no more be able to market your thing and your current revenue streams will not make sense anymore, and that with all the distribution outlets, as it already happens.

In short - you will make cents but you will loose millions of dollars.

boneprone · 03-04-2008, 01:02 PM

Im back from going out to breakfast. I was only gone for 2 hours and Im back and already I have 8 icqs from people who have read this thread wanting to do biz with me and tube sites.

You really think the biz is not trying to evolve into what has already begun? You really think everyone wants to see the end of tube sites?

Think again. Ive seen nothing but the opposite.

Sean is right. If it aint him then it will be someone else. I got 8 of em lined up right now.

Its just that easy.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-04-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well, sure, but thanks in part to the efforts of the Adult industry, the stigma is falling away. Maybe more so in Europe than in North America yet, but things will probably continue down this path.

You probably don't want to write "pornographer" as your occupation on the application form for your child's PTA forms yet though.

It's not about the STIGMA but about the MOTIVATION of the consumer.

Why don't porn channels sell advert? and if then it's extremely cheap?

Because it's an impulsive thing, you will not watch porn all night long because you have nothing to do. Where will you put the advert if an average viewer spends there 10 - 15 mins a day?

Apart from the undisputable fact that there will be very few companies willing to associate their products with porn anytime soon, imagine you will have horny males watching a vivid video, where do you want to put the advert?

If you want to sell them a brand new Silverado, even if the company agreed to have their advert on a porn channel, where will you put the advert?

Will you put it right before the cumshot so you get the biggest audience and everyone will hold their dicks and scream FUCK! ?

Porn always worked this way:

TEASE and get them to PAY

They need it, so there will always be a demand, you don't have to worry that guys would ever stopped to get a boner, although the rising metrosexuality and gayness may soon change the overall popularity of the female aspect.

But the whole golden bottom of the business - the steady demand is about to be ruined, that with this very unresponsible and totally cannibalizing approach.

Vick! · 03-04-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCAP

That would be Sophie Dee. Promote her at SophieCash.com

Are you sure? Anyone second this? Looks quite similar to me..

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Looks like

wow big man .. lucky you

PS. Is she member of this board?

Sands · 03-04-2008, 01:27 PM

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

03-04-2008, 10:32 AM	#51
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I need a tube site. My programers who ive been with for many years were working on this but have dropped the ball. Anyone else out there want to be part of the family and work for me on this niche? hit me up on icq. 66883099 with your offer. Before anyone bashes me, I have an idea and way to make it 100% legal working with my contacts in the biz. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-04-2008, 10:35 AM	#52
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,516	There has been many good, and I mean no trolling / no emotions / discussions conceived here about this already, and I guess all that could have been said was more or less said already. Kind of tough to adapt to a business model where someone is offering your product for free. It's this unique online and digital nature of the business that enables that, not only to earn money fast but also to scam fastly. You get your car stolen you can't drive, you get your house robbed off you're fucked, someone steals your wallet you're gonna get into trouble. Someone is gonna steal your content to sell there cams and dating - what you hear is to adapt or die and if they wouldn't support the thieves someone else would. __________________ CTG Media \| TG: carl_boro \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles\| Last edited by CarlosTheGaucho; 03-04-2008 at 10:37 AM.. Reason: ...

03-04-2008, 10:36 AM	#53
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I watched the whole thing twice now. Am I the only one who doest think Sean came off as an idiot? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-04-2008, 10:47 AM	#58
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	I liked hearing the attorney say, "tranny movies". I bet he's a freak. I'd love to snoop around on his hard drive. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

03-04-2008, 10:47 AM	#59
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	You people are the real fucking idiots. The exact same haters I see on panels and talking out against AFF on boards, shows and panels are the same people who kiss my ass at shows wanting biz from me.. You people didnt seem too angry when you heard I was starting a tube site. In fact everyone I talked to wanted in. They wanted some of that AFF market share. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-04-2008, 11:33 AM	#73
GAMEFINEST Make STACK$ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: sexy time Posts: 14,439	good to know __________________ Compound interest.

03-04-2008, 11:38 AM	#75
LOOPNAME Se Vende! Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mexico Se Vende! Posts: 64	el borracho mucho cervezas __________________ Domains For Sale Email: LoopName@gmail★com

03-04-2008, 11:43 AM	#76
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	adapt or die= Im a short term thinker. When governments start filtering porn off the internet because of the swell of tubes. Mark my words then the short term thinkers will cry why are they picking on us? Wanna know why all these people are embracing illegal tubes because sales are off no matter how much bullshit is thrown here and people are getting scared.Desperate people do desperate things. If morons think they are going to get all this traffic giving full scenes away that arent theirs and then say now you have to pay and magically they are going to start spending money your playing with yourself. Last edited by tony299; 03-04-2008 at 11:45 AM..

03-04-2008, 12:18 PM	#86
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i'm sure Penthouse legal dept was happy to see a representative of their company stand up and say for the record "well... we support content theft and criminal copyright infringement and the facilitation of copyright infringement because people steal from us too... so what's the big deal"

03-04-2008, 12:19 PM	#87
Dangermoose007 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	The business model is in giving the content to the end user for free in exchange for the rights to advertise to them, as opposed to making the customer pay for the content itself. If the Tube sites pays the content producers a share of their advertising revenue then everyone wins. People are still paying for porn, just not in the conventional means paysites promote. You can still be payed for the content you produce, you just need the Tube sites to start sharing fairly with the producers. The NBC analogy is a great one really. __________________ Purchase my products and/or services.

03-04-2008, 12:20 PM	#88
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	The Andrew guy is an idiot to publicly attack someone like that and to blame it all on AFF. Sean is right that we can't just ignore tube sites and we do need to evolve as times change. Sean just took it very personal and got upset, he should have seen it would get ugly and take a different approach. AFF is doing nothing illegal, tube sites are legal as long as they follow DMCA. It's not AFF's job to police their content. If they are working with tube sites that don't follow the rules, then yeah give them some pressure to stop advertising with them, but don't attack ONE GUY in front of 500 people because you disagree. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

03-04-2008, 12:33 PM	#95
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	That old dude should have opened with this monologue instead: "We're entering a new era indeed. A time when crusty old patent lawyers, well passed their prime and way out of their depth can't justify huge billing hours anymore. Even though I'm so awesome I know about all technology upcoming for the next 15 years, I just can't seem to pay for my youngest son's college as easily as I could a few years back. In closing, the sky is falling, it's going to hurt like hell but don't worry because I'll be selling umbrellas from my van after this panel. Thank you and goodnight.". You may use that with my permission next time. __________________ .

03-04-2008, 01:02 PM	#97
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Im back from going out to breakfast. I was only gone for 2 hours and Im back and already I have 8 icqs from people who have read this thread wanting to do biz with me and tube sites. You really think the biz is not trying to evolve into what has already begun? You really think everyone wants to see the end of tube sites? Think again. Ive seen nothing but the opposite. Sean is right. If it aint him then it will be someone else. I got 8 of em lined up right now. Its just that easy. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-04-2008, 01:27 PM	#100
Sands Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 418194907 Posts: 3,134	Sorry, I just couldn't resist.