J.R.

Announcement 1time:

Just a note to let some of you know
that we are offering HOSTED galleries
using iBill.

http://www.wantboobs.com/hostedgalleries/

Thanks,

J.R.

XXXPaysiteDesign

congrats

cat

way to go pal

ThaBike

Great :D
This was just what I was looking for.
Thanks for posting this

Dax

Congrats!

Nice stuff!

J.R.

Glad that you like..

Our great designer made the headers on top
for this new project, another GFY'er made
the galleries themselves.

Thanks to all!

playa

hey JR those are nice layout
but you should really shrink them pics
there over 150k in size to big for dialup surfers


do you have the ccbill option?

Uncle Moe

Great I will be using them

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Snake Doctor

Hmmmmm, those layouts look awfully familiar.....

http://www.want-boobs.com/tgp/dinaa/dina.html


http://www.want-boobs.com/tgp/cherry/cherry.html

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J.R.

No, we don't offer the ccbill option yet.
I tested it and found some serious loopholes
when using ccbill as that option.

We do plan on offering Epoch very soon!

Thanks, we will look into shrinking them
for sure. I wanted to offer a better quality
image to the surfer.

J.R.

Yes they do, your an inspiration to us all!
The next batch will surely look less like the
ones you originally made

Snake Doctor

You know if you would have asked, I probably would have let you have the layouts.

The problem I'm having is that you didn't ask.

I hope that the increase in revenue you get from having hosted galleries is enough to cover the traffic that I'll no longer be sending you.

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playa

epoch option would be plus

J.R.

I did ask you..

Martin

J.R you didn't ask Lenny to use his templates that he has been using to send you traffic for awhile now? On top of that your giving them away to other webmaster to use..HAHAHAHA Your an asshole bro..

playa

damn lenny now your galleries will be everywhere

J.R.

These are the old style, the style he
hasn't been actively using for sometime.

Its not worth an argument, I would have never
taken these ideas without asking first!

TDF

schwing!! this thread has lots of potential...carry on..

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im signing up now.
let me know if there are any other specail things you can hook me up with

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Snake Doctor

JR, please oh please show me the email or ICQ log where I told you it was ok to use my templates.


Joel had a sales contest thing for wantboobs, if you send so many sales in so many days you'd get a free DVD player or 20 free banners.

I told him I wanted the graphics work for my prize, but I didn't want banners, I wanted more headers for galleries like the ones in the links I posted earlier.

Joel asked to "SEE" the custom headers that I paid for, and then the next thing I heard from him was that he was offering hosted galleries and "here's what the templates look like"

Nowhere in there did I tell him it was ok to use my stuff for his other webmasters, I was showing him my stuff so his graphics guy could get an idea of what I wanted done for the "prize" that I had won for sending 150 sales.

BTW, I never did receive the custom work that I won for the contest. I guess the designer was too busy taking my ideas for every other webmaster in the world to use.

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J.R.

Thats complete BS.

End of story.. sure I will grab the ICQ log now.

In fact, we even talked about this a month or
so back when I was in Hawaii, if I recall correctly.

Snake Doctor

Yes JR I am ignoring you on ICQ, if you have something to say you can say it in an open forum.


This isn't the first time we've had an issue over using my ideas either.
I was surfing snakesworld one day and I saw an "EXACT" copy of one of my wantboobs galleries posted there.
I did a whois on the domain and guess who owned it?
Joel Raes

I confronted him with it and he told me it was a newbie webmaster that he was providing free hosting for, and that he "showed" him some of my galleries so he could get ideas about "what works" for selling wantboobs.

He said he had "no idea" that the guy would copy my page.

It takes several hours to build a gallery that converts, not to mention the time and money wasted testing out galleries that don't convert before you find a winner.
You just don't go showing your good webmasters sales techniques to everyone in the world.
That's bad business.

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Snake Doctor

You called me to ask me my opinion on offering hosted galleries, and I gave you my opinion.

You NEVER said you were going to take my gallery templates/sales text etc etc etc to make your hosted galleries with.

Any gallery builder worth his bandwidth bill would have a problem with that.

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J.R.

And like I told your before, of course webmaster
that promote free sites take peoples work.

Like I told you months ago, the webmaster you saw
on snakesworld got the example from a list of sites that I provided as good work.

end of story..

J.R.

And like I told you before, that the builder
of these galleries was told to make them similiar
and not the same.

These are similiar AND not the same.

However, like I also said on icq last week.
I was going to make damn sure the next batch
is different.

SleazyDream

IF that's true that really sucks. I would be STEAMING MAD if any affiliate I used told people to rip me off - and I'd sue.

If JR admited to the guy 'COPYING" your page then JR needs to send you all the cash he made from that page and not pay the affilaite who copied you. Not just the affilaiate's money, but JR's take on it too or Joe is a co-conspirator in copywrite theft.

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Snake Doctor

ICQ msg just received from JR
10/8/2002 5:31 PM

Hope that post was worth the money you will loose!


I certainly hope you're not implying that I'll lose my rebills because I said things that you're not happy with.....

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J.R.

Take it for what it's worth!

You, in the public forum, said that I
stole from you!

Not the case,

SleazyDream

don't worry, most BIG TGPs read this. If he doesn't pay you it sets an example for how he will deal with any TGP that posts his stuff.

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Sly_RJ

Damn man...

J.R.

Thanks for the consideration. We are looking
into this matter very closely.

TDF

wow...J.R. admits telling a designer to make something "similiar" to Lenny's style...

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SleazyDream

why not answer the question on everyone's mind?

Did you tell others about his marketing techniques (meaning which galleries work)?



cause if you did I doubt many people would want to EVER market your stuff again as if you did do that you cannot be trusted.

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ControlThy

You will not lose your rebills.
If you do, let us know.

My lawyer would be horny when reading all this ;-)

Snake Doctor

First you say you asked if you could use my layouts and that I said yes.

I asked you to show me the ICQ log or email where I said that, and you have yet to produce it.

Now, you say that the galleries are "similar" but not "copied" so it shouldn't matter.


Then you imply that you'll take away my rebills because I confronted you in a public forum.

"Take it for what its worth" ????
Why can't you just give a straight answer.
Do I get to keep the rebills for all of the signups I've sent you since the week you opened your site? Or are you going to login to the admin and set my % to zero just because I pissed you off?

Yeah, that'll get you a lot of webmasters promoting your site...

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J.R.

I have already reffered this issue to my attorney
so he can sort out what legal and not.

I am trying to figure out how to copy
the damn icq log.

Gary

right click, copy?

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Fire

Guess I won't sign up to his program and try to win the free trip!

Martin

Sad..

Mr.Fiction

Want Boobs, you should consider backing down now if you are in the wrong. Just apologize to the guy, send him a thousand dollars for his work, make sure he gets the prize he won, and look like a good guy. Your company reputation is worth more than a free hosted gallery template.

It's a lot easier to end this now than it will be once the thread gets to 600 posts.

Snake Doctor

What's legal and not??????
How about what's moral and not???
So if the attorney says you can get away with taking my rebills from me you'd do it?
That says a lot about what kind of person and business man you are.

I've only got history from as far back as 8/30......had a hard drive failure right before then and lost everything.

Here's my log
http://www.want-boobs.com/icqlog.txt

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J.R.

Surely..

I told my designer the other day about
Lenny's work. I cannot help that he is
really busy. He has known for sometime but
I needed to know exactly what he wants.

He knows about it, Lenny can still have what
he earned. He needs to let me know.

Thanks to those who ICQ their support.

Anyways, I will be happy to make it up
to Lenny, I did not steal or take his templates
with any intentions.

Lenny sends a nice amount of sales, it's a shame
to see him go over this. But, he should have
said something last week when I sent the samples
over to him.

Thanks,

FATPad

I can hear all the mental notes being made by people reading this thread now.

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Fire

Copied from that log...
JR 9/16/200 1:04 PM The webmaster at snakesworld is an asshole anyways..lol

I wouldn't think that to be a good way to get Snake to list more WB galleries!

J.R.

Thanks for posting the ICQ.

Shows that I sent samples, that you did not
say a word on ICQ. Shows that I did ask
you to send me the work and that I also
told you it would be a few days for my graphics
guy to help you.

If you had a problem with it, you should have
told me. This mess could have been avoided.

This is my last post on this topic.

Backov

Wow that says a lot right there.. Snake fucking kicks ass, total stand up guy.

FatPad - mental note has been taken.

It always amazes me when sponsors piss like this in the forums when they're obviously in the wrong. Is this industry really run by 12 year old ego-driven idiots?

Cheers,
Backov

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J.R.

To resolve this issue, we will overwrite the
hosted galleries with newer ones in 48 hours
or less.

We will use our headers, the rest of the
gallery will be different. It will likely
not reflect Lenny2's work in any way.

Thanks,

J.R.

To clarify, the snakesworld issue
goes back to 1998 when I was with Xpics
and there was some issues between us and him.

Snake Doctor

So you're not going to come back and tell us if your lawyer says its ok to take away my rebills?

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