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Ramster · 10-08-2002, 07:39 PM

Oops, I missed the post about bigbreastlovers. That's not good....

the indigo · 10-08-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
JUST FYI:

I talked via phone with Lenny, we more or less
resolved these issues. As indicated, his account was
not in trouble when this was all going on. He still
will receive payment as normal.

We are making changes to some galleries so that
they do not reflect any major similiarities to his work
for us.

We both stated are cases, mostly this was basically
misscommunication on both sides.

Lenny should be posting this soon.

Our next batch of galleries coming out in a few weeks
will be even better then these. Stay Tuned..

You are a fucking asshole. Now that you might lose some business, you react like a normal "honest" guy.

That's fucking pathetic.

TFCash · 10-08-2002, 08:48 PM

I realize that they kissed and made up, but come on, changing the guys admin password to get his account info, and acting all tough and shit like your going to take away his rebills. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do in my book

Of course I never did think that J.R. was the sharpest tool in the shed. Oh well I'm glad that Lenny feels good about it. So lenny are you going to pull your traffic or are you still going to promote his site ????

Tim

quiet · 10-08-2002, 08:58 PM

why in the fuck did you change his password? unreal.

TFCash · 10-08-2002, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
why in the fuck did you change his password? unreal.

Mob tactics 101, J.R. has been watching too much of the "Soprano's"

Tim

J.R. · 10-08-2002, 09:39 PM

Say whatever you will, this was a minor issue between
a webmaster promoting and me.

The issue was resolved, call me a dick, asshole or whatever
you want too. I really can care less, we run a tight ship and
this was an issue between Lenny and myself.

I temp. blocked Lenny's password while we resolved this
issue with our attorney's and Lenny. Blocking it would
force him to contact us, at the time, he would not return
any ICQ's other then what was said in this thread.
Some things are best done without your comments.

I called Lenny, we said our peace and that is that.
His account is open and is sending traffic to us. Wether he
continues to promote is irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that we CONVERT & RETAIN, that is
why Lenny was concerened about the money he spent
time to build. He could have lost thousands of $ in recurring
revenue. I had no plans to take his money, many of you
took what I said and made this worse then it really was.

Now.. thanks for your comments.

The post is dead in my opinion, continue to post will
likely win me an XBox for my 9yr son

TFCash · 10-08-2002, 10:09 PM

J.R -

I think has more to do with character than anything. In this thread the facts that I have been able to see are.

a) you stole/borrowed a design that was converting well for one of your webmasters, in hopes that all of your affiliates would do well with that design.

There is a big red light that is going off in my head on this one

No matter what you think, when you run a program like you do, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and not just think about your bottom line when it will adversely effect one of your webmasters. I believe that in your ICQ talk that he even mentioned that he didn't want to overuse that design, and was looking to use the prize that you were giving him to get more headers so as not to run the current ones in to the ground.

I also never saw a direct quote from you stating or asking to use his design even thought in the thread you claimed that you did.

b) you use strong arm tactics like shutting off his password, and threatening the loss of his rebills, yes the threat was overt, but I'm sure we all got the clue of what you were eluding too.

If you think that just cause your some big shot in your little circle of influence that you can talk to webmasters the way you did here, and not get a tongue lashing from it on a board called gofuckyourself.com then you really are a Forest Gump wannabe. I haven't had that much contact with you, and don't know you personally, but I could give a shit less if you convert 1:1 with my traffic, I'd rather send my business to someone that can keep their head about themselves on a message board, and that won't stab me in the back at the first chance they can just to make a few more bucks.

So please keep up that asshole-of-the-day attitude that you've shown here, cause it really let's your true light shine out.

Tim

TFCash · 10-09-2002, 05:10 AM

"... mamma always said stupid is, as stupid does ..."

FATPad · 10-09-2002, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Say whatever you will, this was a minor issue between
a webmaster promoting and me.

The issue was resolved, call me a dick, asshole or whatever
you want too. I really can care less, we run a tight ship and
this was an issue between Lenny and myself.

I temp. blocked Lenny's password while we resolved this
issue with our attorney's and Lenny. Blocking it would
force him to contact us, at the time, he would not return
any ICQ's other then what was said in this thread.
Some things are best done without your comments.

I called Lenny, we said our peace and that is that.
His account is open and is sending traffic to us. Wether he
continues to promote is irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that we CONVERT & RETAIN, that is
why Lenny was concerened about the money he spent
time to build. He could have lost thousands of $ in recurring
revenue. I had no plans to take his money, many of you
took what I said and made this worse then it really was.

Now.. thanks for your comments.

The post is dead in my opinion, continue to post will
likely win me an XBox for my 9yr son

Hope that XBox was worth it.

Sama · 10-09-2002, 05:24 AM

ControlThy · 10-09-2002, 05:31 AM

I cannot believe the attitude that JR guy has.
Guess he has not learned anything in the years that he has been involved in this business. (he surely does not learn from his mistakes).

FATPad · 10-09-2002, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Wether he continues to promote is irrelevant.

btw, you have such a way with people.

Shap · 10-09-2002, 10:17 AM

Joel is a real character. He proves it time and time again. (His best line EVER is his claim to have been the MAN behind Busty Amateurs. That's a whole other story but all of us that know Jeff know that Joel was not even around when Busty Amateurs was started.)

Next up: "Bigbreastlovers is an Asshole" Fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, understand we make our OWN rules and we do business as WE see fit so WE make the most profit for ourselves. We've worked 6+ years building up our company and we do our best to milk our own traffic. If this means we have to ban a sponsor, so be it. It's been working for us since the beginnig, so we'll keep doing it.

Joel, you can call me an asshole. You can call me a loser. You can call me a bad businessman... anything you want. It rolls off my back. But when you say you have a problem with my fiancée (who is also my business partner) you have a REAL BIG problem with me. So let me step back and fill everyone in as to WHY Joel says he 'has a problem' with my fiancée.

We own daizie.com and have had it for quite a few years. Joel dropped me an email a few months ago. Said he was contacting me on Daizie's behalf and that she wants her domain name back (Her domain? We bought it!) Ok now get this: Joel sends a HUGE, slutty pic of Daizie along with her cel phone number (in the email) saying she wants ME to call her... that she wants 'her' domain because she wants to go out on her own and make money with her own site. (Gimme a break.)

Now, I know what Daizie looks like. (I think we ALL know what Daizie looks like!) Joel sends me this pic thinking I'll be SO EXCITED to talk to Daizie I'll just drop everything and HAND over the domain to her! Unfortunately for Joel, I was out of town that night. My fiancée answers my email when I am not around. Since my fiancee is also my business partner, she calls back and asks about the offer. Daizie answers the phone. Daizie has no idea what to say. She keeps whispering to Joel "It's a girl, what do I say?" Finally, Joel takes the phone and reveals himself as even dumber than Daizie! He tries to play it cool. My fiancée (who is well aware of what is going on) makes an offer to sell it. Joel says 'Yeah, let's work something out- blah, blah.' Agrees to everything she says, agrees to email back and the phone call ends.

The next day my fiancée emails to follow-up and all of a sudden things change. He's no longer interested AT ALL. No big deal. HE doesn't want to work out a deal. Fine.

Joel, tell me: HOW from all this, do you have a problem with her? Do you have a problem because she's SMARTER THAN YOU thought she was? Because she graduated from university with a degree in Psychology AND English? That she's not some dumb stripper?

From this scenario, I believe Joel thinks every webmaster is dumb and is more interested in boobs, than money. He thought hearing Daizie's voice was worth giving over a domain for. That's insulting. So Joel, you insult my intelligence with your pathetic ploy to lure me to hand over the domain and then you have A PROBLEM with my fiancée who foiled your plans?

It seems everytime you get into a mess with someone you turn around and point the finger at someone else to take the blame off you. Now that I've mentioned this, he's going to turn around and say it was Daizie's fault and SHE'S the one he has a problem with!

Joel, you'd probably be best to not post for a while. Every post you make you are creating a new enemy and burning another bridge. You've burnt the bridge between us RIGHT TO THE GROUND!

J.R. · 10-09-2002, 10:25 AM

Your entitled to your opinion, but thats
not exactly how it went.

I have no idea about this email and slutty
pic that your reffering too.

In addition, Daizie did not want to buy the
domain and I was not going to buy it for her.

And when I did talk to your G/F, she was
a bit rude to me.

Post all you want, I am done with this
place.. it serves no purpose to build a better
business.

Shap · 10-09-2002, 10:30 AM

Well Joel I can bring out the old email and icq messages from you. Remember this"
" HEY SHAP Daizie is here at the office, check out this pic i took a few minutes ago. She wants to talk to you."

And it's funny how just 3 minutes ago on icq you CLAIMED My fiancee was rude to daizie. NOW you claim she was rude to you? Which is it?

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
Well Joel I can bring out the old email and icq messages from you. Remember this"
" HEY SHAP Daizie is here at the office, check out this pic i took a few minutes ago. She wants to talk to you."

And it's funny how just 3 minutes ago on icq you CLAIMED My fiancee was rude to daizie. NOW you claim she was rude to you? Which is it?

I wouldn't worry about him shap - he's already cut his own throat.

Badmouthing both you and snake is SUICIDE in the TGP business esp for someone wanting to get peeple to post their galleries.

J.R. · 10-09-2002, 10:32 AM

She wasn't very nice to me, thats for sure.
Yes, Daizie said she was rude to her on
the phone.

When I talked to her, she wasn't very friendly
either.. maybe I sent a pic, I honestly don't remember, it was 5 months or so ago.

I am done with this thread!

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
Joel, tell me: HOW from all this, do you have a problem with her? Do you have a problem because she's SMARTER THAN YOU thought she was? Because she graduated from university with a degree in Psychology AND English? That she's not some dumb stripper?

she is cute too.

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.

I am done with this thread!

ummm, how many times have you said that?

J.R. · 10-09-2002, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

ummm, how many times have you said that?

Like now..

I am just plain tired from all this mess, one
little thing goes way far FUCKED..lol.

Oh well, I will be gone from here for awhile.
Need a much needed break from the drama.

Sorry to any or all who were offended. My
intentions were not to make enemies, but
I seemed to have done that already.

Take Care,

TFCash · 10-09-2002, 10:54 AM

JR -

You need to learn a simple lesson about message boards, think twice type once

I myself have written a bet 10x more than I actually post. I sit back and give myself 10 minutes to rethink if I really want to portray myself, and my company in a bad way by shoving my foot in my mouth whenever I get into a thread where my blood boils. Not that some drama isn't fun every once and a while, but the things you pulled on this one really make you look like a 12 year old brat. I know that you've been doing this for a while, and that you know better, so just think before posting in the future

Tim

Shap · 10-09-2002, 10:58 AM

NOT RUDE according to Joel:
"Ummm, like.... well.... yeah.... like, ok Joel, whatever you say!"

RUDE according to Joel:
"Ok Joel, let's work out a deal- I'll get in touch via email and we'll settle this up. =) "

Candyman69 · 10-09-2002, 12:08 PM

down with wb

promoking · 10-09-2002, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

ummm, how many times have you said that?

I counted like 3 times

Audra Mitchell · 10-09-2002, 07:09 PM

this post is really stupid, not meant for a board.
from what I see, you guys need to jerk the meat
or something. your too high strung!

quiet · 10-09-2002, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Audra Mitchell
this post is really stupid, not meant for a board.
from what I see, you guys need to jerk the meat
or something. your too high strung!

hmm, who started the 'post'? lol

Steve · 10-09-2002, 07:27 PM

Looks like Audra is tied up with J.R. + Want Boobs, so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Also, Shap - you forgot to mention that you also offer free hosted galleries. Twisty's kicks ass!

TFCash · 10-10-2002, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Audra Mitchell
this post is really stupid, not meant for a board.
from what I see, you guys need to jerk the meat
or something. your too high strung!

So one of wantboobs affialtes comes in here and tells us to cut it out ??

I would have to say

Tim

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10-08-2002, 08:48 PM	#103
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	I realize that they kissed and made up, but come on, changing the guys admin password to get his account info, and acting all tough and shit like your going to take away his rebills. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do in my book Of course I never did think that J.R. was the sharpest tool in the shed. Oh well I'm glad that Lenny feels good about it. So lenny are you going to pull your traffic or are you still going to promote his site ???? Tim

10-08-2002, 08:58 PM	#104
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	why in the fuck did you change his password? unreal.

10-08-2002, 09:39 PM	#106
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Say whatever you will, this was a minor issue between a webmaster promoting and me. The issue was resolved, call me a dick, asshole or whatever you want too. I really can care less, we run a tight ship and this was an issue between Lenny and myself. I temp. blocked Lenny's password while we resolved this issue with our attorney's and Lenny. Blocking it would force him to contact us, at the time, he would not return any ICQ's other then what was said in this thread. Some things are best done without your comments. I called Lenny, we said our peace and that is that. His account is open and is sending traffic to us. Wether he continues to promote is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that we CONVERT & RETAIN, that is why Lenny was concerened about the money he spent time to build. He could have lost thousands of $ in recurring revenue. I had no plans to take his money, many of you took what I said and made this worse then it really was. Now.. thanks for your comments. The post is dead in my opinion, continue to post will likely win me an XBox for my 9yr son

10-08-2002, 10:09 PM	#107
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	J.R - I think has more to do with character than anything. In this thread the facts that I have been able to see are. a) you stole/borrowed a design that was converting well for one of your webmasters, in hopes that all of your affiliates would do well with that design. There is a big red light that is going off in my head on this one No matter what you think, when you run a program like you do, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and not just think about your bottom line when it will adversely effect one of your webmasters. I believe that in your ICQ talk that he even mentioned that he didn't want to overuse that design, and was looking to use the prize that you were giving him to get more headers so as not to run the current ones in to the ground. I also never saw a direct quote from you stating or asking to use his design even thought in the thread you claimed that you did. b) you use strong arm tactics like shutting off his password, and threatening the loss of his rebills, yes the threat was overt, but I'm sure we all got the clue of what you were eluding too. If you think that just cause your some big shot in your little circle of influence that you can talk to webmasters the way you did here, and not get a tongue lashing from it on a board called gofuckyourself.com then you really are a Forest Gump wannabe. I haven't had that much contact with you, and don't know you personally, but I could give a shit less if you convert 1:1 with my traffic, I'd rather send my business to someone that can keep their head about themselves on a message board, and that won't stab me in the back at the first chance they can just to make a few more bucks. So please keep up that asshole-of-the-day attitude that you've shown here, cause it really let's your true light shine out. Tim

10-09-2002, 05:10 AM	#108
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	"... mamma always said stupid is, as stupid does ..."

10-09-2002, 05:31 AM	#111
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	I cannot believe the attitude that JR guy has. Guess he has not learned anything in the years that he has been involved in this business. (he surely does not learn from his mistakes).

10-09-2002, 10:17 AM	#113
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Joel is a real character. He proves it time and time again. (His best line EVER is his claim to have been the MAN behind Busty Amateurs. That's a whole other story but all of us that know Jeff know that Joel was not even around when Busty Amateurs was started.) Next up: "Bigbreastlovers is an Asshole" Fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, understand we make our OWN rules and we do business as WE see fit so WE make the most profit for ourselves. We've worked 6+ years building up our company and we do our best to milk our own traffic. If this means we have to ban a sponsor, so be it. It's been working for us since the beginnig, so we'll keep doing it. Joel, you can call me an asshole. You can call me a loser. You can call me a bad businessman... anything you want. It rolls off my back. But when you say you have a problem with my fiancée (who is also my business partner) you have a REAL BIG problem with me. So let me step back and fill everyone in as to WHY Joel says he 'has a problem' with my fiancée. We own daizie.com and have had it for quite a few years. Joel dropped me an email a few months ago. Said he was contacting me on Daizie's behalf and that she wants her domain name back (Her domain? We bought it!) Ok now get this: Joel sends a HUGE, slutty pic of Daizie along with her cel phone number (in the email) saying she wants ME to call her... that she wants 'her' domain because she wants to go out on her own and make money with her own site. (Gimme a break.) Now, I know what Daizie looks like. (I think we ALL know what Daizie looks like!) Joel sends me this pic thinking I'll be SO EXCITED to talk to Daizie I'll just drop everything and HAND over the domain to her! Unfortunately for Joel, I was out of town that night. My fiancée answers my email when I am not around. Since my fiancee is also my business partner, she calls back and asks about the offer. Daizie answers the phone. Daizie has no idea what to say. She keeps whispering to Joel "It's a girl, what do I say?" Finally, Joel takes the phone and reveals himself as even dumber than Daizie! He tries to play it cool. My fiancée (who is well aware of what is going on) makes an offer to sell it. Joel says 'Yeah, let's work something out- blah, blah.' Agrees to everything she says, agrees to email back and the phone call ends. The next day my fiancée emails to follow-up and all of a sudden things change. He's no longer interested AT ALL. No big deal. HE doesn't want to work out a deal. Fine. Joel, tell me: HOW from all this, do you have a problem with her? Do you have a problem because she's SMARTER THAN YOU thought she was? Because she graduated from university with a degree in Psychology AND English? That she's not some dumb stripper? From this scenario, I believe Joel thinks every webmaster is dumb and is more interested in boobs, than money. He thought hearing Daizie's voice was worth giving over a domain for. That's insulting. So Joel, you insult my intelligence with your pathetic ploy to lure me to hand over the domain and then you have A PROBLEM with my fiancée who foiled your plans? It seems everytime you get into a mess with someone you turn around and point the finger at someone else to take the blame off you. Now that I've mentioned this, he's going to turn around and say it was Daizie's fault and SHE'S the one he has a problem with! Joel, you'd probably be best to not post for a while. Every post you make you are creating a new enemy and burning another bridge. You've burnt the bridge between us RIGHT TO THE GROUND!

10-09-2002, 10:25 AM	#114
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Your entitled to your opinion, but thats not exactly how it went. I have no idea about this email and slutty pic that your reffering too. In addition, Daizie did not want to buy the domain and I was not going to buy it for her. And when I did talk to your G/F, she was a bit rude to me. Post all you want, I am done with this place.. it serves no purpose to build a better business.

10-09-2002, 10:30 AM	#115
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Well Joel I can bring out the old email and icq messages from you. Remember this" " HEY SHAP Daizie is here at the office, check out this pic i took a few minutes ago. She wants to talk to you." And it's funny how just 3 minutes ago on icq you CLAIMED My fiancee was rude to daizie. NOW you claim she was rude to you? Which is it?

10-09-2002, 10:32 AM	#117
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	She wasn't very nice to me, thats for sure. Yes, Daizie said she was rude to her on the phone. When I talked to her, she wasn't very friendly either.. maybe I sent a pic, I honestly don't remember, it was 5 months or so ago. I am done with this thread!

10-09-2002, 10:54 AM	#121
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	JR - You need to learn a simple lesson about message boards, think twice type once I myself have written a bet 10x more than I actually post. I sit back and give myself 10 minutes to rethink if I really want to portray myself, and my company in a bad way by shoving my foot in my mouth whenever I get into a thread where my blood boils. Not that some drama isn't fun every once and a while, but the things you pulled on this one really make you look like a 12 year old brat. I know that you've been doing this for a while, and that you know better, so just think before posting in the future Tim

10-09-2002, 10:58 AM	#122
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	NOT RUDE according to Joel: "Ummm, like.... well.... yeah.... like, ok Joel, whatever you say!" RUDE according to Joel: "Ok Joel, let's work out a deal- I'll get in touch via email and we'll settle this up. =) "

10-09-2002, 07:27 PM	#127
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Looks like Audra is tied up with J.R. + Want Boobs, so I'll take that with a grain of salt. Also, Shap - you forgot to mention that you also offer free hosted galleries. Twisty's kicks ass!