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The government required sites to use 2257 docs.

We need to hit up those same politicians and tell them to require the adult tube sites to do the same.. especially the one's offering the whole video.

They would have 3 choices...

#1 link to your 2257 page which would show that they do not own the rights to the content

#2 link to the 2257 docs that came with their license

#3 not provide and link and get sued by the government.


They required many of you content producers/paysite owners to have 2257 docs. They can also require tube sites to do the same.

What do you think?

~Ray

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DateDoc

They "CLAIM" to be user submitted sites which is a loophole in 2257 requirements. You would have to prove they uploaded the content to go after them on 2257 as it stands right now I believe. Also, they would have to be in the US.

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Daruma

I've been watching the debates here - I think ultimately for the tube sites it comes down to $$$ - make it totally unprofitable for them to continue - how about banding together thousands of tubesuckers ? kill them by bandwidth..

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ilbb

they don't care about 2257 - most of them are outside US

Net Money

The ONLY real solution that could be done VERY eaisly is the following. Since there are only a very few processors in adult, if they would simply not process for any traffic coming from the illegal tubes then problem solved, no way to make money then they will close up shop.

DateDoc

Most tubes process $0. They get paid by the affiliate programs that welcome their traffic.

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Net Money

I realize that I meant the processors need to stop processing for sponsors that accept that traffic.

Manowar

Exactly. I doubt any tube sites charge for membership or have accounts like that

DigitalDruid

Arent they sending out millions of hits a day? If you were on that train would you get off?

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TheDoc

I think most of the sponsors on tubes have a merchant account. No processor to complain too, no way to get them shut down that way.

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Tom_PM

Make it more attractive to be "legal" than it is to be "illegal".

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dready

Add code to all your high traffic sites that streams video from tube sites in 1x1px iframes after your page has loaded.

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pornguy

You will never get enough of the people to stop supporting companies like AFF. Same reason we never got rid of TGP's.

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the user would need to include a link to the rights to the content before it was approved.

The politicians can make that happen.

only allowing licensed content to be uploaded.

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a few interesting ideas here, but in the end they will be futile

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Davy

Four easy steps to bring down a tube site:
!) Upload material of a seventeen year-old
2) Wait until the movie reaches a hundred thousand views
3) Alert the authorities
4) Watch one webmaster go to jail.

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Blazed

5) Go to jail yourself for uploading the content

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the tube sites must be required to include verification of content in the upload process. if not, the theft will never stop.

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ePorn

...and even IF 2257 should be required, it would only shut down US based tube sites. That's a drop in the bucket.
One day it's going to be logical that tube sites cannot be held back, as long as the user/surfer wants it, it will be served somewhere.
It's better to adapt than to fight a battle that takes more time out of your day than it would take you to beat them at their own game.

Tom_PM

Yeah. Thats how CNN and others do it. Check out their ireport upload page. You have to confirm that you own the right to distribute the content, and include your personal information.

Gosh it's so hard, lol. Accountability.

If I personally ran a tube site, I'd copy that method and make no bones about it. And knowing that, I'd almost definitely limit it to only sponsors having the ability to upload in the first place.

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Roald

and all the above would only work if the tubesite owner would cooperate. If he decides not to and he is in some 3rd world country who is going to stop him.

This only works in fantasyland guys.

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fuckingfuck

I think some of them will go under when the place is saturated with tubes advertising same sites and same sponsors... Aren't people desensitized after seeing same AFF banners everywhere?

Roald

Why would any surfer care about a stupid banner if they have what they want already?

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WarChild

There's this place, just outside of US borders, it's called the rest of the World. We don't give a fuck about your 2257 laws here.

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Barefootsies

Are their hosting?
Their registrar?
Their processors?

If you knock out their processing, and abiltiy to do business (i.e. collect money, pay bandwidth bill). You wipe them out by default.

This is why most will remove your content once you contact them. Yes yes. It would be wonderful if they NEVER used it in the first place. But that is not a reality, anymore than people stop using torrents, stealing music and movies.

You have to hit them where it hurts. Eventually, word gets around, and they stop trying to use your stuff. Once accounts start getting frozen at their hosts, and processors, etc. You will eventually get the point across to stop using your material without permission.

No one company is, or can, police the net against piraracy or content theft. But they can easily police their own IF THEY WANTED TO.

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we need politicians to approach Visa and Master Card about making a statement about illegal tube sites. If a tube site doesn't respond to stolen content, contact the sposors, if they don't, contact the processing/banks, if they do nothing contact Visa/MC , if they do nothing, go viral with all of the proof that everyone in the chain is aware that they are profiting from your stolen content.

In all actuality, it would only take 2 emails per step. so, at the most, 10 emails.

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Sounds like a job for the "Russian Hackers"

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will76

LOL, thats funny. How many amateur people make professional looking, 60 minute long videos where the guy fucks for hours at a time and the girl looks like a porn star. Also pay no mind to the url on the video that goes to a porn site.

I think it is very easy to see what is real user submitted content and what is professional content. The 2257 exception (loop hole) should be for real amateur people who upload content they made. If it can't be proven they made the content, or easily proven that they didn't, then 2257 should be required for that content as well. No matter if it was uploaded by the company who owns the content or some idiot who stole it.

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That's what I'm thinking too. One possibility is for the dating sites and cam programs to start buying rights to full-length videos and giving those out to tube sites. The surfer gets high quality full vids, the tube sites get legal content, the dating/cam sites get massive tube traffic.

The problem with this is that it would surely dilute the value of paid content.

One thing is clear--online adult is facing the same challenges as other producers/distributors of digital media entertainment: the clash between sharing technology and content monetization strategies.

This why the whole tube thing is worth keeping an eye on. There may be legal opportunity amidst all the changes.

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and when they found out they will img src you and you are dead within a few min

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