I think you are missing the original point - even if guns were 100% illegal in the U.S. "criminals" would still get them.

nice sig :ak47:

In Holland only the criminals have guns and thats waaaay safer than half the population having legal guns..so what point am i missing exactly?

The point is if they were 100% ilegal, it would be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone, criminals or not, to get their hands on a gun. How anyone can argue against this is beyond me.

Even if they realize it they wont admit it. Thats how far gone they are...

Thanks :)

there are way too many guns already in exhistance for this to ever happen. :2 cents:

Bingo, you said it yourself! THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY GUNS ALREADY

Then why do you keep denying that more guns = more gun related problems? You are so fucked up in your gun defense that you get lost in your own bs. Moron.

so it's pointless to argue about :)

they are also spread out across the world. Even if they were made illegal in america they would come in just as easily as the tons of cocaine and pot do. I believe the U.S. regulates them as well as can be expected :2 cents:

ProjectIdiot:

Why is Holland not in this list you think? I can't wait to see what bs you will come up with this time.

Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country.

#1 South Africa: 74.5748
#2 Colombia: 51.7683
#3 Thailand: 33.0016
#4 Guatemala: 18.5
#5 Paraguay: 7.3508
#6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
#7 Mexico: 3.6622
#8 United States: 3.6
#9 Belarus: 3.31
#10 Barbados: 2.9963

There are more shootings all the time. I really don't think that it's pointless to argue about. For step to a solving a problem is admiting that there is a problem, which is what a lot of people seem to have a hard time doing.

I agree, but I also think taking away the right to own guns is a bad move. The government here is striping away our freedoms with every passing law. Eventually you will not be allowed to cross the street....o wait, I think they call it j-walking :disgust

The government is stripping away your freedom with bullshit laws, like the Patriot Act and others. If they ever did anything about guns it would be for your protection, so maybe your kids won't get shot up while taking a test for 5th grade history.

Jaywalking is crossing the street without regards to traffic statutes, so you won't get runned over by a car, and is actually a good example of how something similar can be done with respect to firearms.

I guess you are the kind of person who needs to be babysat by mommy government :)

(nothing personal but this country feels like a kindergarden some days :disgust)

Don't you think it' getting close to time that you clue in and realize that guns aren't the problem causing schoolshootings and other fatalities stemming from crime?

Some quick info:

I hate stats and we all know the saying about them yet lets look at some other stats.

Burglaries per capita:
#7 United Kingdom 13.8321 per 1,000 people
#17 United States 7.09996 per 1,000 people

Assaults per capita:
#6 United States 7.56923 per 1,000 people
#8 United Kingdom 7.45959 per 1,000 people

Then taken elsewhere "There are countries that have a much higher % of gun ownership than the US, yet has a much lower crime rate - Switzerland for example, where there are 420,000 Assault Weapons in private homes and between 1.2 and 3 millions total firearms in a county with a total population of only 7.5 million. Nearly 22% of Canadian households have at least one firearm, as another example. Different countries report these figures in different ways. In the US, for example, any death by firearm, even when a victim kills the assailant in self defense, it is recorded as a homicide. If there is no conviction, the number is still counted. In the UK, they only count the homicide if it results in a conviction in court so that also skews the numbers a bit in comparison."

Then Florida passed the stand your ground law and oops no bloodbath and armed crimes has dropped.

MA has strict laws and high gun problems, across the state line in NH it has very loose gun laws and very few gun related crimes or crimes in general, lastly check Vermont who has basically no gun laws and walla damn near no crime and many still consider it almost a leave your doors unlocked type of area.

Now you all can carry on.

If they banned guns right now. We wouldn't see the result, our kids probably wouldn't but maybe our grandchildren would.I know it's hard for you to think past your next big mac, but try.

The right to bear arms did not include assault rifles and ak47s. I have no problem with a hunter having a bolt action rifle. If you can't kill a deer with that then you probably shouldn't be hunting anyway.

Hard to hide one in you pants pocket if you want to rob someone too. Problem solved, you get your gun (because you have a small penis and it makes you feel strong) I get my gun control that makes my family safer.

So the answer is to put a gun dealer on every city corner and basically give them away like candy?

It's one thing to allow citizens to purchase firearms, but it's another thing (and a very bad message you're sending) when:

1) You don't need any training or certification to buy or own a gun.

2) A man living alone in an apartment can walk into a dealer and buy 3 shotguns and 2 handguns. Gee, one for every square foot of the house?

3) You can buy assault rifles and such which are neither ideal for hunting or home defence (when a rifle is ideal for the former, a handgun for the latter).

In my .02 the problem isn't necessarily letting the public purchase handguns for their home, it's that depending on where you live in the USA you can get so many, so easy and without any concern for making them at least get some training for proper use, care and storage.

First I would like to state that it is propaganda when people think assault rifles. Remember people in almost every state automatic weapons aka machine guns have been illegal since around 1934 if I recall. Most assault riffles are just named that for "scary" reasons and because they look like what the military uses. Typically the buyers buy them for accuracy and pleasure in their use. Much like the difference between a Mazda and a BMW.

Next point is those "assault riffles" are single shot riffles. They kill the same damn way a bolt action riffle does. Each time you pull the trigger you get 1 bullet. Plus assorted laws which vary by state dictates how many bullets can be in a clip. Remember a 303 can hold a bit of ammo and has a bigger bullet than many of the guns names assault riffles.

Another big issue. Almost every single fucking crime using a gun in the US is done by a handgun. Yes some do use assault riffles such as the shoot out in LA a few years back, yet those are super rare. Crimes are done with handguns, not riffles, not shotguns, and so forth. Hell Kennedy was taken down with a bolt action, the snipers were using bolt actions.

There should be no wrong or write type of gun to use to kill something. They all kill. Some just get used to kill others more often.

Oh and before I forget and some more common news propaganda pops up with more vile stats and shit. It is not easy to modify a legally purchased assault riffle to make it fully automatic unless you have access to some very precise metal working equipment. Which in that case you do not need to buy any guns as you can easily make your own.

Almost forgot I am not pro gun really, I do not belong to the NRA, and I vote as an independant. I just hate false info. For the record I do have a couple of guns though. 2 shotguns, 2 hand guns, 1 .22 riffle. Of which 1 of the shotguns and the .22 were gifts and passed down from relatives.

Good points. But if you had read my posts, you'd see that I agreee with you 100%.

So why do you own all those guns? Do you hunt with them, or are they just sitting around waiting for an accident to happen.

He jacks off to them

keep all the guns you want, i say.

just no CONCEALABLE guns.

So it was a pellet gun then :)

I only criminals had guns 90% of these fucked up people who went around doing school shootings would never have happened. Think about how many people have been killed in the last year alone due to school shootings!

America really is messed up in that sense, and all you guys who think having a gun will stop someone breaking into your house at night when you are asleep and robbing you or worse killing you, you are the ones who need serious help.

Your gun is useless to you if you are asleep and the criminal is very quiet.

In Iceland guns are perfectly legal, that is guns that are designed for hunting, guns that are designed only to kill people (hand guns, assault rifles etc) are illegal. Also you have to go through quite a rigourus test, both theory and practise to get a license. Also if you have more than 3 guns you have to buy a gun safe.
Perhaps America should do something similar, at least make people take a proper test. It shouldn't be easier to get a gun license than it is to get a drivers license if you ask me...

All but one of my guns have trigger/chamber locks on them. One of the shotguns is used for home protection, I am dissabled afterall and have had the need to use it once already. The pistols are used at the range. All but one gun (shotgun) is also kept in a locked gun safe so dispite them having trigger & chamber locks they are also locked in a safe. I can safely say that no they are not waiting for a accident to happen.

Then in case you wish to question the one available shotgun. Yes it is as legally short as possible and has a pistol grip and an attached flashlight. Well it is loaded in a way that would also help prevent the vast majority of accidents and the like. First round is rock salt, second is bird shot, third is buck shot, then the rest are slugs.

Aside from a few small loopholes that even I and many others would like to see closed (gun shows for example). It is very damn difficult to get most guns (some exceptions apply like shotguns). Where anyone who can pass a written multi choice test and then a super basic few minute driving test can get a license. Most gun owners need full background checks that delve into psychology, restraining orders, you name it. Where no drivers license test tries to see if your medically, physically, mentally fit, or that if your a chronic drug or alcohol user.

not a gun hater but a hater of the laws america has.. its just stupid

heres a link

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=58451

see, in canada, the owner of the gun would be in DEEP SHIT, because he has to have the gun locked up in a gun safe

this american didnt

in canada you can get in major shit for having loose shells unconcealed in your vehicle, let alone an unlocked gun.

if there are kids in the house all guns should be locked in a combination safe. At night would be the only time to have one available for protection.

Keep in mind that 10 year olds are a lot smarter than you would think :2 cents:

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How about this. The same guy sold ammo and shit to both of the guys in the last school shootings......ONLINE! WTF

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...2_n_87050.html

Ok, I think it's safe to say that guns are one thing that probably shouldn't be sold over the internet...

On second thought, I wonder if he has an affiliate program...

Seriously? You guys should make it harder to get a drivers license! :1orglaugh
Anyway, full background checks is the least the state should do before giving someone a gun license. The test they make us take in Iceland the theory part of it takes like a week to learn and then you have to go twice to the range with an instructor that teaches people to propperly handle guns and shoot them. First day to learn and practise, next day for the test

nice :upsidedow

Anything for the almighty dollar right? That's why this country is so fucked up.

I think this would apply more towards the adult industry :2 cents: