ProjectNaked

I'm not going to go into the whole "protection of what's yours" or "defending independence" speeches.

The majority of guns used in crimes are not:

1) bought from a licensed dealer

2) registered

3) owned by the person committing the crime

Just because you are afraid of guns and think they are as evil as cancer does not mean we should all throw them into the ocean. Every country has criminals and if a criminal wants a gun they will get it. PERIOD

Rochard

I'm not afraid of guns. The last time someone pointed a gun at me he ended up in the ICU. That was after he shot me too.

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Dirty F

Yes and its safer if half your country walks around with legal guns instead of a few criminals with an illegal gun

And the fact that more accidents happen with legal guns that are bought for protection than that they are actually used for protection is something we should all ignore.

Good thing you started your own thread with this amazing wisdom! Thanks!

Fap

Its hard to argue against gun control after all these shootings lately..

ProjectNaked

there is no control with out making every single gun illegal - in which case, as I stated earlier - ONLY THE CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE GUNS - they would also know that anyone they decide to rob, kill, etc. would not.

Dirty F

Projectnaked i have a question for you:
How big is the chance of living in a country with for example 50 million people where only criminals have a gun that you ever get one pointed at you? Pretty damn small right. Basically 0.
How big is the chance if in that country half the people, 25 million, have a legal gun "for protection" that you ever get one pointed at you. Pretty goddamn fucking big right?

Oh boy, its sooooo hard to understand.

Tubestone

word!!! !

Dirty F

In America so many people have a gun...so the crime rate is unbelievably low there right?

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Gun haters consider this...

When the apocalypse comes, who is going to survive? You and the few rations you have horded away, or me and the bullet I put in your ass to take them from you? PREPARE FOR 2012!!!!!

GatorB

Please. Ok so rape laws don't stop rape so lets make rape legal? This is your logic?

Please explain why the UK with 1/5 the poulation of the US has 1/200 the guns deaths if banning guns means criminals would be running around with them? Maybe UK criminals have really really bad aim.

GatorB

You realize that's a completely different situation. And if the world came to and end and I was around and found a gun I'd probably just go ahead and use it to put a bullet in my head.

Dirty F

Projectnaked, once again thanks for starting your own thread with some really wise words that totally wouldnt fit in the big gun thread on the mainpage. Youre too important to post there.

captain.g

DirtyF. Not that I disagree with you, but where did you get your facts? I wounder how they can tell exactly what the reason the gun was purchased for. If I shot someone with my AR I would claim that I bought the gun for protection not because I wanted to be like Rambo and shoot a bunch of shit.

GatorB

Explain England.

Expalin why in the old west where everyone had a gun right out in the open the murder rate was HUGE if more guns = less crime?

captain.g

GatorB, What about Mexico. Guns are illegal there but there are tons of murders each year involving guns. I have had more guns pulled on me in mexico than in the US.

SykkBoy

gun violence is already illegal...you're talking about taking away their weapon of choice...if that's the case, then in your rape scenario, we should be cutting off dicks, right?

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ProjectNaked

different culture and different state of mind Correct me if I'm wrong but don't your police carry automatic weapons on the street?

Vendzilla

I'll explain it
1)Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime.
Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of
robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.

Juristat: Crime Statistics in Canada, 2004 and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics online

2)Fact: A continuing parliamentary
inquiry into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more
than three million illegally held firearms in circulation - double the number believed to have
been held 10 years ago - and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them. One in three
criminals under the age of 25 possesses or has access to a firearm.

Reported in The Guardian, September 3, 2000

3)Fact: Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years after a
virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More than 3,000 crimes involving handguns were
recorded in 1999-2000, including the 42 homicides, 310 cases of attempted murder, 2,561
robberies and 204 burglaries.

?42 killed by handguns last year ?, The Times, January 10, 2001, reporting on statistics supplied by the British Home Office


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Rochard

Here's something for the gun lovers to think about:

The shooting was the fourth at a U.S. school within a week. On Feb. 8, a woman shot two fellow students to death before committing suicide at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. In Memphis, Tenn., a 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a fellow student Monday during a high school gym class, and the 15-year-old victim of a shooting at an Oxnard, Calif., junior high school has been declared brain dead.

Wonderful. Our own fucking high school students are shooting it out with each other now!

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Weaksauce...

I'd fly into fullbore survivalist mode...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Just shut the fuck up. If they didn't have a gun they'd find another way. When someone is lookng to kill and cause mass destruction, there's many options. I for one would go with pipebombs and napalm...

ProjectNaked

this has happened for decades...now it just makes great ratings for 24 hour news...

Dirty F

Remember everybody, more guns makes everything more safe...just look at...uhm...America...uh no...look...somewhere.

Holland would be way safer if half the people here would get a gun

ProjectNaked

it's not worth a gun point robbery for your sheep or llamas

Dirty F

Projectnaked i have a question for you:
How big is the chance of living in a country with for example 50 million people where only criminals have a gun that you ever get one pointed at you? Pretty damn small right. Basically 0.
How big is the chance if in that country half the people, 25 million, have a legal gun "for protection" that you ever get one pointed at you. Pretty goddamn fucking big right?

Porn Farmer

And the gun nuts think that the answer to gun violence is MORE GUNS.

Arguing with people like this is like banging your head against a brick wall.

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ProjectNaked

you have to realize that america is not safe and pretty like the majority of foreign countrys think. The roads are not paved with gold and crime does run rampant in every state. Yes, there is 5-10% of america where you would probably never need a gun. These are the places where people do not lock their doors. However, there are areas where bars on your windows is mandatory. I live about 15 minutes from the "city" and being in a remote area I cannot rely on a good neighbor or the police to protect me if someone decided to break in or attack me. For this reason I have my own protection.

Bottom line is that everyone has their reasons for owning guns but forcing someone to give them up because you think they are bad would be like banning porn because someone feels it is bad...because after all, porn only exploits and degrades women, causes rapes, breaks up marriages, etc...

Porn Farmer

Given that argument, no doubt you are in favor of the decriminalisation of crack, meth and heroin?

After all, everyone has their own reasons for doing them. What gives anyone the right to say someone can't have all the, meth, crack and heroin they want because they disagree with it?

It's a logical extension of your own argument.

TehKinkyHotness

I bet you will all be singing a different tune when the 300 pound crack dealer kicks in your door and rapes your daughter.

Chance of this happening, low. Saying you wouldnt put a bullet between the eyes, a lie.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

I say legalize all that shit, the amount of crime which would be eliminated due solely to the fact that the criminal element behind distribution is gone would be substantial. Who cares if crackheads want to fuck themselves up? By legalizing them you are taking away the funding that most gangs and large criminal organizations thrive upon. By taking away this competitive edge amongst criminals you would eliminate FAR MORE GUN VIOLENCE than eliminating guns themselves. The money saved fighting this crime and pointless battles regarding simple possession charges would allow more than enough to battle the results of addiction HEAD ON...

ProjectNaked

I was once told the following upon entering a biker rally: "The only control is knowing there is no control" Amazingly there was not 1 fight or even problem the entire week. As for legalizing drugs, supposedly people live in america for freedom, however this country has more restrictions than any other country in the world. For every "freedom" there are 10 laws or regulations limiting it.

In short, living in the us is like having training wheels on a bike when you are 35 years old. While I don't think legalizing all drugs is a good thing, after 20 or 30 years it would clean out the gene pool.

jalami

It's funny to hear Europeans talk about how great gun control is when the perfect example of gun ownership happens to be in a European country -- the one that Hitler didn't attack during WWII because everybody had guns. Of course universal gun ownership is coupled with universal conscription (which I also wholeheartedly support). We have a lot to learn from the good ol' .ch about how to have universal gun ownership, and universal conscription (and by extension, universal firearm education).

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Boobzooka

It's really a chicken/egg situation. Gun owners buy guns for protection from criminals, then criminals steal those guns from legal gun owners, and round and round it goes. Some percent of all legal gun sales will end up stolen, so more manufacturing demand inevitably means more guns in the street.

While gun control works great in other countries, America is way too far gone for that to be a realistic goal here; even if all gun sales were banned tomorrow, America will never run out of guns or bullets. The gun control cause is so throughly lost that both sides should save their breath and find some other issue to argue about that they actually have hope of changing.

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carry a gun u pussy's

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

america was built on firepower. to say that they are going to ban guns is fucking ridiculous..

Dirty F

The chance of that ever happening is basically 0. The chance of a random lunatic whos drunk pulling a gun if half your country has a gun would be 1000's of time bigger.

But hey more guns = more safe for everyone right.

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more safe for me and my gun...

minddust

Canada have some fucking pussy laws against weapons.

I would like to be able to get weapons wherever the fuck I want, depressed or happy. like I buying winter tires.

Rochard

Your missing the point. There are dozens of ways to kill people in bulk. But the people who want to do it - like this mad man - doesn't have the abilty or the intelligence to create such a weapon. A firearm is handy, much easier to find than napalm, and doesn't require any assembly. In less than a minute this fucker shot 18 people.

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Dirty F

Wait, you are truly saying that if more people have a gun, like every other person around you are more safe?

No i really mean

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

no, i could care less though, if i had it my way i'd be the only one with a gun, but i'm not giving up the gun.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

It doesn't take much for intelligence to make napalm. dissolve shit into gasoline until it's thick and sticky. foam packing peanuts, soap chips, whatever thicks it up will do the trick...

J. Falcon

It boggles my mind that people still defend guns after all that has happened. It is truly amazing.

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Rochard

Your still not getting it. That's too much effort - at least a trip to the gas station, research on how to do it - How do you light it up? Compared to a gun that takes five seconds and load.

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

i'm defending guns because it is not guns fault. it is little faggot bitches who can't handle life's fault. if you are so worried about making the world a better place, look at making people better. if these kids weren't bullied into oblivion they wouldn't go out and find a gun to turn on their peers. there are plenty of responsible gun owners who enjoy recreational use of firearms, keep their guns safely, and respect the power a weapon has. it is a very VERY small percentage of people who take a gun and go out and shoot someone in the street with it.

sying we need to get rid of guns because the cause murders is like saying we need to get rid of blacks because they cause crime...

J. Falcon

I think feeling safe and keeping schools safe is more important than "recreational use of firearms"

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

no it is not, this just goes to prove that your opinion is worth jack shit and that you are a sissyfuck liberal cocksucker. you new age politically correct BITCHES need to pull the cocks out of your asses and man up to the rel world. where GUNS are a legitimate tool used in the majority by legitimate means. if there were no guns, people would kill eachother with chainsaws, or cars, or whatever else they could find that gives them the upper hand over their opponents. DON'T BLAME GUNS for society being fucked up, blame everything that leads people into using the gun....

the day some regulation comes down saying i can't have a gun, is the day i start shooting and run for the hills...

J. Falcon

Thanks man, I think you're a great guy too.

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J. Falcon

You sound like just the person who shold be kept as far away from guns as possible.

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