My 2 cents about the Terminated Merchant File (TMF) - GoFuckYourself.com

Brad Mitchell · 10-04-2002, 02:19 PM

You're all fucked.

The only thing that will buy you out of this dilemma is money for a sophisticated and tricky financial setup. None of you can keep a chargeback or credit ratio less than 1%. You better hope it never gets enforced to the .001%

Brad

Brad Mitchell · 10-04-2002, 02:22 PM

Oh, and god forbid they expect the combined ratio of chargebacks and credits to be anywhere less than 2%. LMAO

Brad

[Labret] · 10-04-2002, 02:23 PM

Hey! I can still survive off check signups!

I think about that myself.

Generally I am in the .2 to .4 range, but every once and awhile I hit .8, .9. 1.1. Makes me nervous.

I gotta imagine someone like OX is fucked, my chargebacks with them have to be banging around the 5% to 10% region.

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 02:24 PM

You're right Brad... we are fucked. Because it doesn't look like it matters whether you're with 3rd party or on your own.... if you're unlucky enough to get on that file, you are fucked 4 life.

Mr.Fiction · 10-04-2002, 02:24 PM

I was expecting one of your legendary 15,000 word posts.

Very disappointing.

[Labret] · 10-04-2002, 02:25 PM

Shit, Im gonna buy up a bunch of shelf corporations just in case.

Honeyslut · 10-04-2002, 02:28 PM

I am not worried !

Chargeback % Credit % Chargebacks Credits
0.00% 0.00% $0.00 $0.00

american pervert · 10-04-2002, 02:29 PM

I got a contact who can fix tmf problems.. like you are still on the list, but you can get your transactions processed...

Brad Mitchell · 10-04-2002, 02:51 PM

Unfortunately shelf companies won't help. Every account is personally signed for. So, it's time to line up friends, family and relatives... especially those that will never own their own business.

Doesn't matter what you say about the TMF stuff American Perv, unless you know a lawyer and he works to get the name removed any other way of getting a merchant account is fraudulent or deceiving.

Maybe I'll do one of my 10 or 15 thousand word posts later tonight. Man, I really get going when it comes to merchant accounts... <growl>

Motherfucking Visa is basically it's own sovereign state that answers to nobody and is accountable to nobody. Justice with them is nonexistent.

Porn will survive along with most of us here. However, I think that fundamentally all of us will need to change our expectations on revenue, etc.

Now... time for dinner and a movie! Have a great weekend everyone!

Cheerio,

Brad

smileygirls · 10-04-2002, 03:01 PM

hmmmm...
Am I missing something?
Why do I only have .002 chargeback ratio?

Guess quality and originality is everything now. :D

andi_germany · 10-04-2002, 03:02 PM

I maintain a charback ration with CCBill at 0% and with Ibill at 0.4% . Refunds are a whole different subject. I normally refund anyone that is not satisfied or has any technical problem. This is customer care and prevents chargebacks and I think if I add refunds and chargebacks it comes to 2-3% monthly.

[Labret] · 10-04-2002, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
Unfortunately shelf companies won't help. Every account is personally signed for. So, it's time to line up friends, family and relatives... especially those that will never own their own business.

I dont want a merchant account, never have, never will.

I imagine, that if I have a site that gets tmfd via ibill or whatever, I re-open shop with a shelf corp, new tax id#, new url, and re-sign up with iBill. Nobody will ever know. Do it properly and nobody ever knows your name and SS#.

Term me now motherfuckers. Sucks for the rebills though.

american pervert · 10-04-2002, 03:13 PM

brad- its though some ppl in gaming who took care of all those issues for themselves..

but hey, I am just offering help... ya don't want, no skin off my ass...

smileygirls · 10-04-2002, 03:20 PM

You do not have to have a merchant account to continue working with ccbill if you have US presence, according to ccbill. Am I right?

Amputate Your Head · 10-04-2002, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smileygirls
You do not have to have a merchant account to continue working with ccbill if you have US presence, according to ccbill. Am I right?

doesn't matter.... you can still be TMF'd, and you're still just as fucked.

TheFLY · 10-04-2002, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smileygirls
You do not have to have a merchant account to continue working with ccbill if you have US presence, according to ccbill. Am I right?

I think you missed the point -- it don't matter -- VISA will have a file on you anyway if you are processing through CCBill -- and your #'s will be watched independently of CCBill -- and you can be terminated even if you pay the $750 + blah blah blah...

smileygirls · 10-04-2002, 03:29 PM

Does anyone have access or knowledge of a termination guidelines list?

If you are in keeping with what VISA deems as "ok" and your chargebacks are low, then you are ok, correct?

10-04-2002, 02:19 PM	#1
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	My 2 cents about the Terminated Merchant File (TMF) You're all fucked. The only thing that will buy you out of this dilemma is money for a sophisticated and tricky financial setup. None of you can keep a chargeback or credit ratio less than 1%. You better hope it never gets enforced to the .001% Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-04-2002, 02:22 PM	#2
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	Oh, and god forbid they expect the combined ratio of chargebacks and credits to be anywhere less than 2%. LMAO Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-04-2002, 02:24 PM	#4
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	You're right Brad... we are fucked. Because it doesn't look like it matters whether you're with 3rd party or on your own.... if you're unlucky enough to get on that file, you are fucked 4 life. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

10-04-2002, 02:28 PM	#7
Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	I am not worried ! Chargeback % Credit % Chargebacks Credits 0.00% 0.00% $0.00 $0.00 __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

10-04-2002, 02:29 PM	#8
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,837	I got a contact who can fix tmf problems.. like you are still on the list, but you can get your transactions processed... __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

10-04-2002, 02:23 PM	#3
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Hey! I can still survive off check signups! I think about that myself. Generally I am in the .2 to .4 range, but every once and awhile I hit .8, .9. 1.1. Makes me nervous. I gotta imagine someone like OX is fucked, my chargebacks with them have to be banging around the 5% to 10% region.

10-04-2002, 02:24 PM	#5
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I was expecting one of your legendary 15,000 word posts. Very disappointing.

10-04-2002, 02:25 PM	#6
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Shit, Im gonna buy up a bunch of shelf corporations just in case.

10-04-2002, 02:51 PM	#9
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	Unfortunately shelf companies won't help. Every account is personally signed for. So, it's time to line up friends, family and relatives... especially those that will never own their own business. Doesn't matter what you say about the TMF stuff American Perv, unless you know a lawyer and he works to get the name removed any other way of getting a merchant account is fraudulent or deceiving. Maybe I'll do one of my 10 or 15 thousand word posts later tonight. Man, I really get going when it comes to merchant accounts... <growl> Motherfucking Visa is basically it's own sovereign state that answers to nobody and is accountable to nobody. Justice with them is nonexistent. Porn will survive along with most of us here. However, I think that fundamentally all of us will need to change our expectations on revenue, etc. Now... time for dinner and a movie! Have a great weekend everyone! Cheerio, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-04-2002, 03:01 PM	#10
smileygirls Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ask Stormy... :) Posts: 182	hmmmm... Am I missing something? Why do I only have .002 chargeback ratio? Guess quality and originality is everything now. :D __________________ <a href="http://www.stormyfriday.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.panchodog.com/graphics/stobutton.gif"></a>

10-04-2002, 03:02 PM	#11
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I maintain a charback ration with CCBill at 0% and with Ibill at 0.4% . Refunds are a whole different subject. I normally refund anyone that is not satisfied or has any technical problem. This is customer care and prevents chargebacks and I think if I add refunds and chargebacks it comes to 2-3% monthly.

10-04-2002, 03:13 PM	#13
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,837	brad- its though some ppl in gaming who took care of all those issues for themselves.. but hey, I am just offering help... ya don't want, no skin off my ass... __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

10-04-2002, 03:20 PM	#14
smileygirls Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ask Stormy... :) Posts: 182	You do not have to have a merchant account to continue working with ccbill if you have US presence, according to ccbill. Am I right? __________________ <a href="http://www.stormyfriday.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.panchodog.com/graphics/stobutton.gif"></a>

10-04-2002, 03:29 PM	#17
smileygirls Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ask Stormy... :) Posts: 182	Does anyone have access or knowledge of a termination guidelines list? If you are in keeping with what VISA deems as "ok" and your chargebacks are low, then you are ok, correct? __________________ <a href="http://www.stormyfriday.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.panchodog.com/graphics/stobutton.gif"></a>