TheAccountant

Hi Justin, lets talk about some smart stuff instead of the same attacks.

Case 1 - I'm a program owner and I want use xtube to promote my site(s). None other than me could moan about the length of movies and the number of them.

Case 2 - I'm a webmaster allowed by paysite/program owner to submit their contents. I know program owners who love xtube.

I suppose that it's better keeping accepting these two kinds of people instead of fake amateur accounts. And most of all you have to understand that

watermarked video + banner = legal contents

watermarked video without banner = illegal contents

It seems that you've hit the wrong people :D

PR_Sebas

good to see this thread is still going... ive read through everything and everyone is making this guy from xtube look incredibly stupid

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tony286

I think you like throwing out that 50 cents a pop.That sounds nice show us how that can make a profit if one is shooting new content a regular basis.

Brad Mitchell

Well, if you were Xtube wouldn't you just hire another full time employee and have them post approved sponsor content with your ref code instead of letting everone else have the revenue? Obviously tube sites need every last nickel......

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pip

Xtube still uses video content while placing banners to a sponsor that doesnt even own the content

Fluid

Bad comparison. Technically the swap meet sellers are fences of stolen goods in that case, and yes, can be charged. I don't think that's exactly what tube sites do, it would be more like they are the guy that owns the swap meet and lets retailers have space.

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nevermind

fire that Just Support guy

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chopstick

100% incorrect. This idea was on the table before - get your fingers going on your keyboard for the thread about it, here on GFY.

The AEE is where we were when I decided it was time to stop it 100%. Everyone agreed.

WM uploads pollute the content selection so by removing that we're removing the pro stuff there is only Amateur left.

Amateur is the focal point of XTube.
It has always been our policy to ban users who upload illegal content.

Tom_PM

Why not prosecute them too?

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chopstick

I created XTube and then a whole bunch of copycats showed up and stole my traffic.

tony286

But then you will have very little content

chopstick

Justin, you're digging so fucking far down you will fuck up business relations with XTube so badly it will be permanent. I spent a fucking lot of time trying to appease people and I am not going to let you fucking trash it right after I leave. Smarten the fuck up - stop fighting with people. It makes you look the fool and you're shitting on XTube.

Use facts or stay the fuck out of GFY - this place is a giant pissing match and you're losing!

chopstick

Change scares people, but change is necessary - porn knows this and for a long time porn was the leader in change. Suddenly porn is not the leader and people are sitting on their hands.

If DRM scares off users, but everyone was doing it, then they would adapt as required. But, in light of Apple throwing DRM out, it is time for new thinking, but the point remains the same - change is coming and people adapt to it.

chopstick

You reported it and the report somehow went unnoticed. There are several ways to report it. I know that Justin pasted text from the admin area which showed a user did report it. The problem is not that the report when unnoticed, but rather the synchronization across all servers (more than a hundred). The fact that no one responded to your DMCA notification is poor on the part of Justin.

Justin, you're good at coming here and throwing stats around, but you should be spending your time in the actual business of XTube, which includes DMCA reports as a priority. How the fuck do you forget that only a month after I am gone? I fucking feel like coming back just to clean up the mess!

chopstick

I think that the Tubes are watching google vs viacom very closely before decisions are made on that one.

Matt 26z

I look at it more like this...

When you blame user controlled tube sites you are blaming Ford and Budweiser, but not the drunk guy who actually drove the car.

chopstick

That would work for PornoTube where there is no focus on amateur content. The focus of XTube is the amateurs. Would you have us telemarket homes asking them for home made porn for use on XTube? Uhm, no.

The objective of the removal of WM content is to remove pro content from the site, and make only legit pro content available for sale as DVDs. This was already stated. XTube is refining it's content selection and availability and at the same time protecting copyrights. This is a good move, and no one wants to see that. Let it happen and you will see. XTube is upset about content theft and always has been, just like you all.

Tom_PM

Thats why, if you have uploaders check a notice stating that they own the rights to distribute the content (see cnn's "ireport" upload section for a sample), you can go after them if you find that they've done so. Not just ban their IP.

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chopstick

Surfers will never buy when there is free shit out there.
The paysite model is a bad model because it is an ongoing cost for a sporadically used product. A user can sign up and download the entire site in the first few days, then cancel, then beat off endlessly, and only paid a small amount.

What XTube does is it enables anyone in the world to upload their own home-made porn (this is the objective) for free. It can be viewed for free and if so chosen the user can sell it too and earn a profit. That caters really really well to the reality tv theme that is so popular lately and people just keep coming back for more and more.

Obviously therein lies the potential for upping illegal shit. Since day one I have planned around protecting rights and it is a big job, but I still worked on it all the time. You guys get so aggressive about it and accuse me/XTube of not even trying, or of intentionally taking it when that is so far from the truth that OF COURSE we come on here bitter about it.

We're trying, just understand that.

L-Pink

Except Ford and Budweiser didn't design their products so people can drive drunk. Tube sites facilitate copyright theft.

chopstick

Case 1 - Program owners are acceptable with linking codes that credit XTube.

Case 2 - Not accepted*.

*XTube is taking control over it's outbound traffic. The BW is expensive and XTube is going to recoup that cost via partnerships only. Free content will be exclusively home-made with no outbound links.

chopstick

Not true. There will certainly be a loss of content, but it is content users complain about, and there is more home-made content than pro/stolen content.

Users who want stolen shit can freely go, we don't want them as they're the ones who up it too. The community will adapt. XTube more complex than a basic tube - there is a whole community to it too.

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time for a new $10 per hour marketing person.


you're so full of shit. if you didn't want the pro shit on there, it would be gone. oh btw, when you do think about going in and removing cough cough "monitoring" your network for pro stuff, keep in mind, that shows that you do in fact monitor your network


bwahahahaha.

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Manowar

Very interesting to see if other tube sites with follow

chopstick

This has been a standard feature for a long time. The challenge is following up with the user. We have an email and an IP, at minimum, both of which can be hard to work with for obvious reasons.

tony286

Ive been shooting porn for almost 8 yrs talk to lots and lots of people. There is very very little true amateur lets put it for kicks not profit porn in the world.

Doctor Dre

Just_in_Support I advice you to stay off the boards. Not only are you stealing (you're the one putting it up online) the content from webmasters, but you are insulting them.

You are directly costing a lot of people in this business money. And a lot of people that don't have much ethics... just like you.

It dosen't cost much to get rid of a problem... don't push too many people's button.

(this is in no way a threat, but just an advice)

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JimmiDean

With people like Just_in_Support I cant believe their rep got punched at Internext.

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Doctor Dre

Profiting from other's people hard work and investement (stolen content), insulting them and putting it on them.

Bottom line is that Xtube is mass distributing copyrighted material.

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I know stolen content when I see it.
I think everybody does.

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PR_Sebas

better get crackin' on removing that user uploaded full length stolen copyrighted content..

http://pcdnv4.xtube.com/watch_video....=XWhmbj XbSM_

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xxxjay

DRM doesn't work you fucking idiot. I want to hit you too!

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V_RocKs

Don't talk about me as if I am not here.

BFT3K

Tube sites popping up and stealing the traffic from other tube sites?

Awesome! Can you say IRONY?

"Hey, my traffic from stolen content idea is getting ripped off!"

Classic!

StarkReality

Ah, so WEBMASTERS uploading are POLLUTING your site ? That's a nice quote to remember !

NosMo

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affiliate relations 101


class is in session.

Mark_E4A

just out of curiousity, how do you plan on monitoring content stolen from "AMATEUR" paysites.

Not everyone runs "PRO" style paysites.

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Dirty D

Kurtis...

It was great to meet you at Internext and discuss Xtube like true gentlemen.

However, this guy Just_In_Support is not representing Xtube very well.
He apparently thinks he knows more than all of us.
DRM sucks, everyone knows it.
Just because we don't use DRM doesn't mean it is ok to be a fence for stolen content.

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Paul Markham

I doubt if you can make a profit on it shooting new content. but who said you need to shoot new content? Seems to me there is more than enough content floating around and legal to make it work. I have 900 videos and 300 in the archives never seen on the net.

I can't get a new EE girl to do hardcore or shoot a BangBus scene, but a scene like 90% of what is out there, no need to shoot it.

The big question is this.

Will eliminating piracy solve the problem with Tube sites?

IMHO

No because they will simply buy content, I have one chasing me at the moment for a price. do I sell to them or not? What will they pay? How will it effect my business? How many other content producers have been approached and sitting on content?

No the industry has driven down the quality and price of content to a level they it does no matter to many surfers and the Tube sites can afford to buy it. What if Xtube decide to buy my library for $20,000 or $50,000.

The industry does not buy from us, maybe we could sell to them!!!

Plus all the sites closing down. I hear all the time that a buyer should be able to resell content with the company or domain. What if the buyer is a Tube site?

The real issue for affiliates and sponsors is not stolen content, it's lost sign ups.

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Paul Markham

So use amateur content you give away for free to sell professional DVDs?

How long have you been doing this?

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pocketkangaroo

Really? Then why create a channel for Anime? Do you really get a lot of homemade anime porn submissions?

Almost all the top watched movies on the site were commercial oriented. Many stolen content, others clips from sites. It's hard to believe the focal point of the site was to cater toward the videos that aren't popular on XTube. Now the videos I see being added since the webmaster ban is a lot of dudes jerking off on cam. Do you not think this will hurt the site?

pocketkangaroo

The pro/stolen content is what fills your top rated and most viewed lists. As of a few weeks ago, almost every video in those sections was stolen videos from members areas. Very little amateur/homemade content.

People didn't come to XTube to watch a guy jerk off on his homemade cam. They came for the shitload of stolen content and free professional videos. Sure it may adapt, and sure this might have been the plan all along. But it seems to me Xtube used the stolen content to build up its traffic and pulled the plug before the shit hit the fan.

Paul Markham

Absolute bullshit. What you should say is many people will not be able to pay an inflated price for a product and service that is not worth it.

It's a great model, we made it a bad model. Why we made it bad and how we make it good is the question.

How do you know it's user generated if you don't monitor it? How do you know it's not underage performers if you don't monitor it? How do you stop someone suing you for putting up content they do not own, all be it amateur, if you don't monitor it?


Anyone can bring you down in days. Film a 16 year old, made up to look like a 21 year old and put it up. Legal to do that in some countries, illegal to pay her or get a model release. Then inform the police in your town you are a child pornographer. I would not do it, but sure some guy in Russia would for a $100. Why bother with a DOS attack?

Stop talking common sense while others are trying to talk BS!!

Stop talking common sense while others are trying to talk BS!! That goes for you as well.

Putting your business into the hands of anyone who decides to upload and what ever they choose plus relying on amateurs to keep supplying content is about the dumbest move ever.

That goes for you as well.

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Paul Markham

Open invitation to Tube sites.

If you want to run a site showing porn. Then follow my signature and make me an offer I can't refuse. There are many other content providers who will do the same. The offer needs to be worth it.

If you say surfers will not pay for what we produce you are full of shit. Paysites exist where people do pay for it.

If you say you would not get the traffic numbers and think the only way you can get the traffic is off the back of people spending money to produce the content. Then fuck you buy the license off the producers. Don't fucking steal or allow others to steal and PROFIT FROM THEM.

If you can't afford to buy then fuck off and start submitting galleries like others who can't afford to open paysites.

You can on the other hand contact me about having free samples watermarked with my link underneath the video.

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KrisKross

While you're right that content should be protected by DRM, it doesn't justify the content theft. And regardless of the DRM used, someone will crack it and redistribute. That's easily evidenced by the content on your site that was once upon a time protected by DRM.

SNOCAP fired over half it's staff late last year and has yet to accomplish anything significant. Rupture has been in beta for a year and has also yet to accomplish anything significant.

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The solution to the problem came to me while I was driving. I can think clearer then.

Xtube want traffic to upsell to the DVDs and get advertising revenue from Webcam and dating sites. They don't want to be sued so cut of the webmasters and the amateur content is not going to get upsells to pro DVDs very well.

So why not put up full scenes from the DVDs?

Instant solution, they keep getting traffic to their full scenes, they know it's legal and it's better than content in the wrong niche.

Anyone see a problem with my idea?

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actually he collects porches now. Sold his knowledge big time

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