Fact: every single program shaves - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Dollarmansteve · 01-10-2008, 11:29 PM

PS - page 3

~Ray · 01-10-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

PS - page 3

What do you call this Steve?

One of your join pages...

http://www.explictflicks.com/?0000000000 (click join)

"No Credit Card? Free Access By Check (USA Only) Click Here"

does the affiliate get credit for that check sale?

01-11-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

What do you call this Steve?

One of your join pages...

http://www.explictflicks.com/?0000000000 (click join)

"No Credit Card? Free Access By Check (USA Only) Click Here"

does the affiliate get credit for that check sale?

see the '0000000000' in the electra cash link? i would guess that it is credited.

sherlock

~Ray · 01-11-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by esnem

see the '0000000000' in the electra cash link? i would guess that it is credited.

sherlock

you would certainly think. huh?

pocketkangaroo · 01-11-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58

Not all, but with more than 10 years experience I can say most of them in fact do shave ... just some worse than others.

What we as an industry have come to accept as standard adult business practices are in fact very shady and what I consider far from acceptable.

If you think adult is bad, mainstream is worse. Buy a domain through GoDaddy and tell me how many upsells they hit you up for. I just ran a background check through Intelius a month ago and was somehow opted into some privacy service that I had no fucking idea about. See how easy it is to cancel from a lot of popular mainstream dating sites and other services.

Adult does some fucked up things, but compared to the shit in mainstream, it's fairly tame.

WiredGuy · 01-11-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

I vehemently disagree that a program, revshare or PPS, would credit an affiliate for an up-sell sale. An upsell defined as a product/service sold in the members area of a paysite. (excluding 'free'-type email and other programs that are base a payout on an assumed upsell, ie wegcash join4free)

The affiliate program owns that members area 100% and has invested 100% of the capital to produce and maintain that asset. The affiliate has absolutey no ownership of the members area and in no way should receive $$ from up-sells. If a program decides to do so, that's their perogative, but it shouldn't be assumed.

When affiliates start paying bills associated with the members area, then they can lay claim to the revenue.

How many affiliates would pony up $50k, $100k, or $500k. $2M to invest into a members area for a share of the revenue??? That is what members' areas cost - upsells are a reward that the sponsor program earns for assuming 100% of the investment risk, the transaction risk, etc.

It's time that the word "partnership" means just that - Affiliate programs do not exist to provide a handout to webmasters. The capitalist system is based on the ability of agents (individuals/companies) to earn a profit from the assumption of risk. Until an affiliate participates in the risk, they should not participate in the reward.

/rant.

Since when do you work at 2am, damn!
WG

pocketkangaroo · 01-11-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

When affiliates start paying bills associated with the members area, then they can lay claim to the revenue.

When programs start getting traffic on their own, then they can drop affiliates.

No offense, I just hate this crying routine from programs about all the money and bills associated with their site. You chose to run a program and you chose the fact that you needed affiliates to make it survive. You also choose what you want to pay out and are competing with every other program in the industry. I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong in any way, I'm just saying that you shouldn't blame affiliates for wanting more. It's just simple business, everyone looking for the best deal.

BVF · 01-11-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

for all the bitching though, i doubt that there is a single revshare program out there that does NONE of the above.

My cookie expires after 255 days, the longest that is allowed last time I checked which was a year or so ago...

No cross sales
No Upsales
No Leaks on affiliate tour AT ALL

Also Rabbit: Since I have a score of 83, I should be listed as no lower than the #2 black site, No?
http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2649/...na-Finder.html

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Bama · 01-11-2008, 02:58 AM

The program that Persian Kitty and I are launching is going to make your dicks tingle

dial · 01-11-2008, 03:11 AM

don't like it, START YOUR OWN FUCKING PROGRAM

bitching idiot affiliates have to be the biggest nuisance in this fucking industry

V_RocKs · 01-11-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hey Thanks Rabbit.. Glad to know that you are a reader of my Blog, thanks again!

Nice rounded corners in CSS...

V_RocKs · 01-11-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

My cookie expires after 255 days, the longest that is allowed last time I checked which was a year or so ago...

No cross sales
No Upsales
No Leaks on affiliate tour AT ALL

Also Rabbit: Since I have a score of 83, I should be listed as no lower than the #2 black site, No?
http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2649/...na-Finder.html

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

I could see this falling into Other Score bringing it to 20...
Then Site Design getting another point for 7...

6 extra points... 89...

Paul Markham · 01-11-2008, 03:35 AM

Not going to bother to read the thread as I'm sure it will be the same old arguments. However for those who get this far consider this.

There has to a profit in it for the sponsor. Without it the sponsor goes broke and you COULD lose even more.

Affiliates need to watch what they earn from a sponsor related to the amount of work they put in.

Most sponsors understand that the more their affiliates earn the more likely they are to keep them. Long term it's good business.

The money has to be divided between running the site and paying for traffic, spend too much on traffic and the content suffers, spend too much on content and the traffic suffers. It's about getting the balance right. If you want great converting content that will look and feel different than the other 20,000 paysites out there the money has to come from somewhere. Should a company millions to give affiliates 60% on a site that is totally unique and converts or spend spend $50,000 and is no different?

Or just let the industry stagnate with the top dogs? And a few of the big porn companies.

2008 is going to be the toughest year we've known. The fall out is going to be immense. Let's consider what we need to do and stop moaning about the most important people, sponsors, staying in business. If you disagree with the sponsor being the top dog, consider who brings the $$$ into the business. Never seen a traffic site that charged surfers.

In saying that I will be increasing the cookie expiration and payments to affiliates today. Seems the balance has tipped too far in my favor.

V_RocKs · 01-11-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

How many affiliates would pony up $50k, $100k, or $500k. $2M to invest into a members area for a share of the revenue???

Ummm.... Lets see...

Me, Pr0, VforV, Blogster, Slapass, Boneprone, Sleazy, luv$, Jace, nettrust, I can keep going but I think I made my point.

Paul Markham · 01-11-2008, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

When programs start getting traffic on their own, then they can drop affiliates.

No offense, I just hate this crying routine from programs about all the money and bills associated with their site. You chose to run a program and you chose the fact that you needed affiliates to make it survive. You also choose what you want to pay out and are competing with every other program in the industry. I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong in any way, I'm just saying that you shouldn't blame affiliates for wanting more. It's just simple business, everyone looking for the best deal.

Actually it has already started. Spyware, Tubes, sponsors buying traffic sites.

The best deal is giving the customer the best experience for the money you can. Many sponsors and affiliates understand this and many are just looking to screw the maximum dollar out of the surfer. Making everyones job harder for tomorrow.

Which is now today.

identity · 01-11-2008, 03:56 AM

well.. I usually don't post any replies, but this one was essential.
YEAH .. every sponsor shaves like hell , the hosting is TOO EXPENSIVE and finally there is NO MONEY IN PORN ...!
I knew I should be a lawyer!

mikeyddddd · 01-11-2008, 04:45 AM

linkhotten

ShaveBucks · 01-11-2008, 05:29 AM

commonsense · 01-11-2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaveBucks

Out of morbid curiosity, what would make send traffic there?

XMaster · 01-11-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaveBucks

ouch

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

Wow. You think of your affiliates as employees? I am absolutely speechless that you would admit thinking this way. I can tell by the tone of your posts you are an asshat, but that attitude won't win you many new "employees". Of course you sound so smart you've probably already calculated the cost of being ignorant on the largest webmaster board.

Goodluck with that.

who are you and why do you piss up at your betters?

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaveBucks

holy crap, if those stats are real, please take down your links. 0:27 hits a day won't effect my ratios but I pride myself on only working with smart webmasters.

ShaveBucks · 01-11-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

holy crap, if those stats are real, please take down your links. 0:27 hits a day won't effect my ratios but I pride myself on only working with smart webmasters.

1. They are real.
2. They are not mine. They are another company owner's stats whom you do consider smart.
3. Just because the dates set to retrieve stats are the entire year, doesn't mean the program was promoted the entire year.

But nice spin you tried to put on it

dial · 01-11-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

who are you and why do you piss up at your betters?

better what? better idiot? better failure?

Paul Markham · 01-11-2008, 06:08 AM

I'm so tempted to show my stats. LOL

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaveBucks

1. They are real.
2. They are not mine. They are another company owner's stats whom you do consider smart.
3. Just because the dates set to retrieve stats are the entire year, doesn't mean the program was promoted the entire year.

But nice spin you tried to put on it

no company I consider smart would let you look at their stats.

nice try though.

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dial

better what? better idiot? better failure?

what's it like to have accomplished nothing and you're only outlet is posting on a chatboard?
I mean seriously. idiot? failure?
who are you and what have you ever done?

ShaveBucks · 01-11-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

no company I consider smart would let you look at their stats.

nice try though.

Actually, they showed their stats to everyone. Just like every year.

Nice try though.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

holy crap, if those stats are real, please take down your links. 0:27 hits a day won't effect my ratios but I pride myself on only working with smart webmasters.

Damn, check out these Alexa stats for 12ClicksCash with his "smart webmasters"...

12clickscash.com: 796,876 (down 172,973 over past 3 months)

And check the Alexa stats for the 12ClicksCash individual sites...

12xbigcocks: 464,844

12xwives: 1,402,157

12xlesbians: 1,401,387

12xinterracial: 2,144,543

12xamateur: 1,416,311

12xeighteen: 1,130,809

12xasian: 1,218,381

12xgangbang: 730,220

12xanal: 1,600,269

12xblowjobs: 291,681

12xtranny: 1,070,900

12xhardcore: 1,401,784

12xcoeds: No Data

12xmovies: 649,293 (down 204,809)

What's up with that?!?

If you are an affiliate making money with 12ClicksCash, let's hear about it...

To put it in perspective, I am an independent (neither a Sponsor or Affiliate), and I have done no marketing for a week - my Alexa stats:

AsianDivaGirls.com: 68,081 (up 21,901)

ADG

RAM · 01-11-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

this applies more for revshare programs, as i do understand that pps programs have no choice but shave if they are to offer high payouts...

redirecting foreign traffic is shaving
doing cross-sales is shaving
doing up-sells is shaving
cookie expiration is shaving

shaving is shaving

i'm sure i forgot something, feel free to ad to the list

my point is that outright click or sales shaving probably represents a much lower lost revenue amount than the other issues listed, cause a program can only shave so much before nobody will promote it cause its not profitable.

for all the bitching though, i doubt that there is a single revshare program out there that does NONE of the above.

KinkyDollars pays 60% on all upsells Click Here for more money

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 06:41 AM

hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again.

you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you?

airlines wouldn't take your alexa stats and actually wanted money I'll bet.
but magically I can fly around the country making all the shows and the airlines took my imaginary money that I'm not making with the program.

hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody.

Paul Markham · 01-11-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again.

you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you?

airlines wouldn't take your alexa stats and actually wanted money I'll bet.
but magically I can fly around the country making all the shows and the airlines took my imaginary money that I'm not making with the program.

hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody.

The irony of this is making me laugh too much. Stop it before I spill my tea.

monstergalleriesdotnet · 01-11-2008, 07:43 AM

bummmmmmmmmmppppppppppppppppp !

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again.

you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you?

hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody.

Those bastards at Alexa make everything up!

They probably made those stats up about your sites...

Yeah, I'll be in Vegas, and I was in LA several times this year, and at the Vegas show last summer (BFD), however, as I mentioned, I am neither a Sponsor or Affiliate, so I get marginal value from attending most shows.

Instead, I focus on traveling around the country, and flying models here, to shoot exclusive content which converts nicely and gets me decent Alexa numbers, even though I have never kicked them back a dime or done anything to artificially inflate my numbers.

Anyway, you are obviously "somebody" based upon your insulting and condescending attitude towards others, and your attendance at numerous adult events, and I am nobody since I spend most of my time shooting exclusive content and profitably marketing my sites.

I guess I would lash out at people too if I had Alexa stats like yours...it's much easier than explaining such dismal numbers.

ADG

rabbit · 01-11-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Also Rabbit: Since I have a score of 83, I should be listed as no lower than the #2 black site, No?
http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2649/...na-Finder.html

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

well there are other sites with 83. when that happens, latest reviews are shown towards the top. you should request an update to yours, its dated 2006

charlie g · 01-11-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

who are you and why do you piss up at your betters?

I am no one as far as you're concerned and as far as you will ever know. And one of your biggest problems is the fact that you think you're better than people you don't even know. But I knew that with your bullshit business philosophy of fucking your "employees". Those stats previously posted are a direct result of your shitty attitude to the people sending you traffic.

Lace · 01-11-2008, 08:09 AM

Been seeing ALOT of this lately and been talking to a few people about it. Things will change soon ;)

Dollarmansteve · 01-11-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Since when do you work at 2am, damn!
WG

lol, I had just finished watching the Leafs get CRUSHED by the 30th place team in the NHL... I think that's why I was a little surly

Dollarmansteve · 01-11-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

When programs start getting traffic on their own, then they can drop affiliates.

No offense, I just hate this crying routine from programs about all the money and bills associated with their site. You chose to run a program and you chose the fact that you needed affiliates to make it survive. You also choose what you want to pay out and are competing with every other program in the industry. I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong in any way, I'm just saying that you shouldn't blame affiliates for wanting more. It's just simple business, everyone looking for the best deal.

Programs do acquire their own traffic... but that's a whole other discussion.

Obviously affiliates want to generate as much revenue as possible from their traffic, I was just stating my opinion on upsells in members areas.

It may seem that I'm "anti-affiliate", but that's certainly not the case, as the hundeds of people who work with me directly can attest to, and as pointed out in my previous, less controversial posts.

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

I am no one as far as you're concerned and as far as you will ever know. And one of your biggest problems is the fact that you think you're better than people you don't even know. But I knew that with your bullshit business philosophy of fucking your "employees". Those stats previously posted are a direct result of your shitty attitude to the people sending you traffic.

If you were someone, I'd know it. You're not. You're simply some small time clown who wants to be a chat board big shot.
Son, my affiliates are treated just fine. Its only losers like yourself who have a problem.

but please, prattle on. I've been here for 10 years because you're right and I'm wrong.

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Those bastards at Alexa make everything up!

They probably made those stats up about your sites...

Yeah, I'll be in Vegas, and I was in LA several times this year, and at the Vegas show last summer (BFD), however, as I mentioned, I am neither a Sponsor or Affiliate, so I get marginal value from attending most shows.

Instead, I focus on traveling around the country, and flying models here, to shoot exclusive content which converts nicely and gets me decent Alexa numbers, even though I have never kicked them back a dime or done anything to artificially inflate my numbers.

Anyway, you are obviously "somebody" based upon your insulting and condescending attitude towards others, and your attendance at numerous adult events, and I am nobody since I spend most of my time shooting exclusive content and profitably marketing my sites.

I guess I would lash out at people too if I had Alexa stats like yours...it's much easier than explaining such dismal numbers.

ADG

I'm sure you're proud of your meaningless alexa rankings but as someone who's owned a top 200 Alexa site, I'm far more an authority on its accuracy and its value in $s than you are. But you go on and hang your hat on those numbers. We all have to find something to be proud of.

for me, in business, its only ever been about $$

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm sure you're proud of your meaningless alexa rankings but as someone who's owned a top 200 Alexa site, I'm far more an authority on its accuracy and its value in $s than you are. But you go on and hang your hat on those numbers. We all have to find something to be proud of.

for me, in business, its only ever been about $$

Yeah, right!

Spin it however you want, these are the actual Alexa numbers for your sites (either Alexa is lying, or you are skimming off traffic that they, and your affiliates, can't detect):

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Alexa stats for 12ClicksCash with his "smart webmasters"...

12clickscash.com: 796,876 (down 172,973 over past 3 months)

And check the Alexa stats for the 12ClicksCash individual sites...

12xbigcocks: 464,844

12xwives: 1,402,157

12xlesbians: 1,401,387

12xinterracial: 2,144,543

12xamateur: 1,416,311

12xeighteen: 1,130,809

12xasian: 1,218,381

12xgangbang: 730,220

12xanal: 1,600,269

12xblowjobs: 291,681

12xtranny: 1,070,900

12xhardcore: 1,401,784

12xcoeds: No Data

12xmovies: 649,293 (down 204,809)

ADG

Dollarmansteve · 01-11-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Yeah, right!

Spin it however you want, these are the actual Alexa numbers for your sites (either Alexa is lying, or you are skimming off traffic that they, and your affiliates, can't detect):

One thing I will say is that there is very little correlation.. if any.. between alexa rankings and site revenue / profit / traffic. If you're trying to make some kind of a point.. using Alexa rankings as your data isn't exactly a solid foundation.

12clicks · 01-11-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

One thing I will say is that there is very little correlation.. if any.. between alexa rankings and site revenue / profit / traffic. If you're trying to make some kind of a point.. using Alexa rankings as your data isn't exactly a solid foundation.

don't burst his bubble! he's feeling important.

SykkBoy · 01-11-2008, 09:57 AM

so, what I'm getting from this thread is:
revshare program owners aren't allowed to monetize their income through upsells, cross sales, etc. but PPS programs are?

If a revshare program owner pays out 60% on revshare sales, why is it a forgone conclusion that part of that 60% payout doesn't account for cross sales, upsells, etc.?

What if I open a revshare program and figure, "hey, I'm going to have cross sales and upsells, so instead of 50%, I'll payout 60%"? Does that mean I'm a shaving sonofabitch?

GrouchyAdmin · 01-11-2008, 09:58 AM

Anyone who classifies cross sales as shaving obviously doesn't realize where their high PPS partially comes from.

But, hey, feel free to only promote CCBill.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

don't burst his bubble! he's feeling important.

Actually, you are the one acting all self-important, with your numerous insults of anybody that challenges your reasoning or magnificence.

Perhaps your actual traffic is higher - in that case, if I were one of your affilitates, I would be wondering why the traffic is not showing up on Alexa.

Perhaps it is being siphoned off elsewhere...this is a thread about shaving, right?

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

One thing I will say is that there is very little correlation.. if any.. between alexa rankings and site revenue / profit / traffic. If you're trying to make some kind of a point.. using Alexa rankings as your data isn't exactly a solid foundation.

Sure, that's why Alexa is used as a trusted independent measure for major advertising dollars spent by numerous large corporations. They obviously don't know anything about revenue, profit or traffic, unlike you.

I do agree though, that it is amazing that my small independent site far outranks all of 12Clicks sites.

Things that make you go hmm.

Keep spinning guys...

ADG

Dollarmansteve · 01-11-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Sure, that's why Alexa is used as a trusted independent measure for major advertising dollars spent by numerous large corporations. They obviously don't know anything about revenue, profit or traffic, unlike you.

I do agree though, that it is amazing that my small independent site far outranks all of 12Clicks sites.

Things that make you go hmm.

Keep spinning guys...

There's no spin, smart-ass. The fact that your small independent website far outranks most of 12clicks' sites.. and in fact probably outranks alot of DM and Python.com sites too should tell you EXACTLY HOW MEANINGLESS THE ALEXA RANKINGS ARE, since I know how big of a company we are and how small of one you are.

Sorry man, I don't want to be a dick - but there's nothing more annoying then people making stupid ass comments like:

"Things that make you go hmm.

"

implying that you are clever and have 'figured something out'.

Bossman · 01-11-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

What if I open a revshare program and figure, "hey, I'm going to have cross sales and upsells, so instead of 50%, I'll payout 60%"? Does that mean I'm a shaving sonofabitch?

I would guess by the replies here that whatever takes from the intial sale and recurring is a no-no, since that directly effect the affiliate bottomline... however I guess that once the member is cancelled, then he is yours to monetize, because the action of the member is no longer effecting the intial deal you had with the affiliate, which was for the intial sale and recurrings?

or I could just be rambling

Dollarmansteve · 01-11-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Actually, you are the one acting all self-important, with your numerous insults of anybody that challenges your reasoning or magnificence.

Perhaps your actual traffic is higher - in that case, if I were one of your affilitates, I would be wondering why the traffic is not showing up on Alexa.

Perhaps it is being siphoned off elsewhere...this is a thread about shaving, right?

PS... if you are gonna start throwing around shaving allegations you better have some proof (and not just alexa rankings).

So here's a

for you - I would start 'spinning' the highlighted comment above in your favour pretty quickly... and I don't care if the comment wasn't directed towards me, no one who works for or owns a program has to put up with baseless allegations or insinuations.

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Not going to bother to read the thread as I'm sure it will be the same old arguments. However for those who get this far consider this. There has to a profit in it for the sponsor. Without it the sponsor goes broke and you COULD lose even more. Affiliates need to watch what they earn from a sponsor related to the amount of work they put in. Most sponsors understand that the more their affiliates earn the more likely they are to keep them. Long term it's good business. The money has to be divided between running the site and paying for traffic, spend too much on traffic and the content suffers, spend too much on content and the traffic suffers. It's about getting the balance right. If you want great converting content that will look and feel different than the other 20,000 paysites out there the money has to come from somewhere. Should a company millions to give affiliates 60% on a site that is totally unique and converts or spend spend $50,000 and is no different? Or just let the industry stagnate with the top dogs? And a few of the big porn companies. 2008 is going to be the toughest year we've known. The fall out is going to be immense. Let's consider what we need to do and stop moaning about the most important people, sponsors, staying in business. If you disagree with the sponsor being the top dog, consider who brings the $$$ into the business. Never seen a traffic site that charged surfers. In saying that I will be increasing the cookie expiration and payments to affiliates today. Seems the balance has tipped too far in my favor. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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01-11-2008, 04:45 AM	#117
mikeyddddd Viva la vulva! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself Posts: 16,557	linkhotten __________________ AdultStarProfits AmbyaCash AnilosCash AzianiGold ColdHardCash FlashTheMoney IdolBucks MediumPimpin NSCash Nubiles PussyCash ScoreCash Sextronix SpunkyCash TubeTitans Twistys

01-11-2008, 02:58 AM	#109
Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	The program that Persian Kitty and I are launching is going to make your dicks tingle

01-11-2008, 05:29 AM	#118
ShaveBucks Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Razor's Edge Posts: 467	__________________

01-11-2008, 06:08 AM	#125
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I'm so tempted to show my stats. LOL __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-11-2008, 06:41 AM	#131
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again. you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you? airlines wouldn't take your alexa stats and actually wanted money I'll bet. but magically I can fly around the country making all the shows and the airlines took my imaginary money that I'm not making with the program. hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

01-11-2008, 07:43 AM	#133
monstergalleriesdotnet So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 254	bummmmmmmmmmppppppppppppppppp !

01-11-2008, 08:09 AM	#137
Lace Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,116	Been seeing ALOT of this lately and been talking to a few people about it. Things will change soon ;) __________________ Your Paysite Partner Strength In Numbers! StickyDollars \| RadicalCash \| KennysPennies \| HomegrownCash

01-11-2008, 09:57 AM	#145
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	so, what I'm getting from this thread is: revshare program owners aren't allowed to monetize their income through upsells, cross sales, etc. but PPS programs are? If a revshare program owner pays out 60% on revshare sales, why is it a forgone conclusion that part of that 60% payout doesn't account for cross sales, upsells, etc.? What if I open a revshare program and figure, "hey, I'm going to have cross sales and upsells, so instead of 50%, I'll payout 60%"? Does that mean I'm a shaving sonofabitch? __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

01-11-2008, 09:58 AM	#146
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	Anyone who classifies cross sales as shaving obviously doesn't realize where their high PPS partially comes from. But, hey, feel free to only promote CCBill. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy