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What do you call this Steve?

One of your join pages...

http://www.explictflicks.com/?0000000000 (click join)

"No Credit Card? Free Access By Check (USA Only) Click Here"

does the affiliate get credit for that check sale?

see the '0000000000' in the electra cash link? i would guess that it is credited.

sherlock :pimp

you would certainly think. huh?

If you think adult is bad, mainstream is worse. Buy a domain through GoDaddy and tell me how many upsells they hit you up for. I just ran a background check through Intelius a month ago and was somehow opted into some privacy service that I had no fucking idea about. See how easy it is to cancel from a lot of popular mainstream dating sites and other services.

Adult does some fucked up things, but compared to the shit in mainstream, it's fairly tame.

Since when do you work at 2am, damn!
WG

When programs start getting traffic on their own, then they can drop affiliates.

No offense, I just hate this crying routine from programs about all the money and bills associated with their site. You chose to run a program and you chose the fact that you needed affiliates to make it survive. You also choose what you want to pay out and are competing with every other program in the industry. I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong in any way, I'm just saying that you shouldn't blame affiliates for wanting more. It's just simple business, everyone looking for the best deal.

My cookie expires after 255 days, the longest that is allowed last time I checked which was a year or so ago...

No cross sales
No Upsales
No Leaks on affiliate tour AT ALL

Also Rabbit: Since I have a score of 83, I should be listed as no lower than the #2 black site, No?
http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2649/...na-Finder.html

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

The program that Persian Kitty and I are launching is going to make your dicks tingle :)

don't like it, START YOUR OWN FUCKING PROGRAM

bitching idiot affiliates have to be the biggest nuisance in this fucking industry

Nice rounded corners in CSS...

I could see this falling into Other Score bringing it to 20...
Then Site Design getting another point for 7...

6 extra points... 89...

Not going to bother to read the thread as I'm sure it will be the same old arguments. However for those who get this far consider this.

There has to a profit in it for the sponsor. Without it the sponsor goes broke and you COULD lose even more.

Affiliates need to watch what they earn from a sponsor related to the amount of work they put in.

Most sponsors understand that the more their affiliates earn the more likely they are to keep them. Long term it's good business.

The money has to be divided between running the site and paying for traffic, spend too much on traffic and the content suffers, spend too much on content and the traffic suffers. It's about getting the balance right. If you want great converting content that will look and feel different than the other 20,000 paysites out there the money has to come from somewhere. Should a company millions to give affiliates 60% on a site that is totally unique and converts or spend spend $50,000 and is no different?

Or just let the industry stagnate with the top dogs? And a few of the big porn companies.

2008 is going to be the toughest year we've known. The fall out is going to be immense. Let's consider what we need to do and stop moaning about the most important people, sponsors, staying in business. If you disagree with the sponsor being the top dog, consider who brings the $$$ into the business. Never seen a traffic site that charged surfers.

In saying that I will be increasing the cookie expiration and payments to affiliates today. Seems the balance has tipped too far in my favor.

Ummm.... Lets see...

Me, Pr0, VforV, Blogster, Slapass, Boneprone, Sleazy, luv$, Jace, nettrust, I can keep going but I think I made my point.

Actually it has already started. Spyware, Tubes, sponsors buying traffic sites.

The best deal is giving the customer the best experience for the money you can. Many sponsors and affiliates understand this and many are just looking to screw the maximum dollar out of the surfer. Making everyones job harder for tomorrow.

Which is now today.

well.. I usually don't post any replies, but this one was essential.
YEAH .. every sponsor shaves like hell , the hosting is TOO EXPENSIVE and finally there is NO MONEY IN PORN ...!
I knew I should be a lawyer! :321GFY

http://www.comicsreporter.com/images...ania_thumb.jpg

linkhotten

Out of morbid curiosity, what would make send traffic there?

ouch :Oh crap

who are you and why do you piss up at your betters?

holy crap, if those stats are real, please take down your links. 0:27 hits a day won't effect my ratios but I pride myself on only working with smart webmasters.

1. They are real.
2. They are not mine. They are another company owner's stats whom you do consider smart.
3. Just because the dates set to retrieve stats are the entire year, doesn't mean the program was promoted the entire year.

But nice spin you tried to put on it :1orglaugh

better what? better idiot? better failure?

I'm so tempted to show my stats. LOL

no company I consider smart would let you look at their stats.

nice try though.

what's it like to have accomplished nothing and you're only outlet is posting on a chatboard?
I mean seriously. idiot? failure?
who are you and what have you ever done?:1orglaugh

Actually, they showed their stats to everyone. Just like every year.

Nice try though.

Damn, check out these Alexa stats for 12ClicksCash with his "smart webmasters"...

12clickscash.com: 796,876 (down 172,973 over past 3 months)

And check the Alexa stats for the 12ClicksCash individual sites...

12xbigcocks: 464,844

12xwives: 1,402,157

12xlesbians: 1,401,387

12xinterracial: 2,144,543

12xamateur: 1,416,311

12xeighteen: 1,130,809

12xasian: 1,218,381

12xgangbang: 730,220

12xanal: 1,600,269

12xblowjobs: 291,681

12xtranny: 1,070,900

12xhardcore: 1,401,784

12xcoeds: No Data

12xmovies: 649,293 (down 204,809)

What's up with that?!?

If you are an affiliate making money with 12ClicksCash, let's hear about it...

To put it in perspective, I am an independent (neither a Sponsor or Affiliate), and I have done no marketing for a week - my Alexa stats:

AsianDivaGirls.com: 68,081 (up 21,901)

ADG

KinkyDollars pays 60% on all upsells Click Here for more money

hahaha, oh no! not alexa stats again.

you clowns crack me up. adg, I guess you'll be in vegas? I missed you in LA my last few trips out, phoenix last couple of times, tampa, miami, vegas this summer. where were you?

airlines wouldn't take your alexa stats and actually wanted money I'll bet.
but magically I can fly around the country making all the shows and the airlines took my imaginary money that I'm not making with the program.:1orglaugh


hahaha, only on the internet can chatboard heros pretend to be somebody.

The irony of this is making me laugh too much. Stop it before I spill my tea.

bummmmmmmmmmppppppppppppppppp !

Those bastards at Alexa make everything up! :mad:

They probably made those stats up about your sites... :upsidedow

Yeah, I'll be in Vegas, and I was in LA several times this year, and at the Vegas show last summer (BFD), however, as I mentioned, I am neither a Sponsor or Affiliate, so I get marginal value from attending most shows.

Instead, I focus on traveling around the country, and flying models here, to shoot exclusive content which converts nicely and gets me decent Alexa numbers, even though I have never kicked them back a dime or done anything to artificially inflate my numbers.

Anyway, you are obviously "somebody" based upon your insulting and condescending attitude towards others, and your attendance at numerous adult events, and I am nobody since I spend most of my time shooting exclusive content and profitably marketing my sites.

I guess I would lash out at people too if I had Alexa stats like yours...it's much easier than explaining such dismal numbers. :winkwink:

ADG

well there are other sites with 83. when that happens, latest reviews are shown towards the top. you should request an update to yours, its dated 2006 :)

I am no one as far as you're concerned and as far as you will ever know. And one of your biggest problems is the fact that you think you're better than people you don't even know. But I knew that with your bullshit business philosophy of fucking your "employees". Those stats previously posted are a direct result of your shitty attitude to the people sending you traffic.

Been seeing ALOT of this lately and been talking to a few people about it. Things will change soon ;)

lol, I had just finished watching the Leafs get CRUSHED by the 30th place team in the NHL... I think that's why I was a little surly :winkwink:

Programs do acquire their own traffic... but that's a whole other discussion.

Obviously affiliates want to generate as much revenue as possible from their traffic, I was just stating my opinion on upsells in members areas.

It may seem that I'm "anti-affiliate", but that's certainly not the case, as the hundeds of people who work with me directly can attest to, and as pointed out in my previous, less controversial posts.

If you were someone, I'd know it. You're not. You're simply some small time clown who wants to be a chat board big shot.
Son, my affiliates are treated just fine. Its only losers like yourself who have a problem.

but please, prattle on. I've been here for 10 years because you're right and I'm wrong.:1orglaugh

I'm sure you're proud of your meaningless alexa rankings but as someone who's owned a top 200 Alexa site, I'm far more an authority on its accuracy and its value in $s than you are. But you go on and hang your hat on those numbers. We all have to find something to be proud of.

for me, in business, its only ever been about $$:thumbsup

Yeah, right! :1orglaugh

Spin it however you want, these are the actual Alexa numbers for your sites (either Alexa is lying, or you are skimming off traffic that they, and your affiliates, can't detect):

ADG

One thing I will say is that there is very little correlation.. if any.. between alexa rankings and site revenue / profit / traffic. If you're trying to make some kind of a point.. using Alexa rankings as your data isn't exactly a solid foundation.

don't burst his bubble! he's feeling important.:winkwink:

so, what I'm getting from this thread is:
revshare program owners aren't allowed to monetize their income through upsells, cross sales, etc. but PPS programs are?

If a revshare program owner pays out 60% on revshare sales, why is it a forgone conclusion that part of that 60% payout doesn't account for cross sales, upsells, etc.?

What if I open a revshare program and figure, "hey, I'm going to have cross sales and upsells, so instead of 50%, I'll payout 60%"? Does that mean I'm a shaving sonofabitch?

Anyone who classifies cross sales as shaving obviously doesn't realize where their high PPS partially comes from.

But, hey, feel free to only promote CCBill.

Actually, you are the one acting all self-important, with your numerous insults of anybody that challenges your reasoning or magnificence.

Perhaps your actual traffic is higher - in that case, if I were one of your affilitates, I would be wondering why the traffic is not showing up on Alexa.

Perhaps it is being siphoned off elsewhere...this is a thread about shaving, right? :warning

Sure, that's why Alexa is used as a trusted independent measure for major advertising dollars spent by numerous large corporations. They obviously don't know anything about revenue, profit or traffic, unlike you.

I do agree though, that it is amazing that my small independent site far outranks all of 12Clicks sites.

Things that make you go hmm. :1orglaugh

Keep spinning guys...

ADG

There's no spin, smart-ass. The fact that your small independent website far outranks most of 12clicks' sites.. and in fact probably outranks alot of DM and Python.com sites too should tell you EXACTLY HOW MEANINGLESS THE ALEXA RANKINGS ARE, since I know how big of a company we are and how small of one you are.

Sorry man, I don't want to be a dick - but there's nothing more annoying then people making stupid ass comments like:

"Things that make you go hmm. :1orglaugh"

implying that you are clever and have 'figured something out'.

I would guess by the replies here that whatever takes from the intial sale and recurring is a no-no, since that directly effect the affiliate bottomline... however I guess that once the member is cancelled, then he is yours to monetize, because the action of the member is no longer effecting the intial deal you had with the affiliate, which was for the intial sale and recurrings?

or I could just be rambling :1orglaugh

PS... if you are gonna start throwing around shaving allegations you better have some proof (and not just alexa rankings).

So here's a :warning for you - I would start 'spinning' the highlighted comment above in your favour pretty quickly... and I don't care if the comment wasn't directed towards me, no one who works for or owns a program has to put up with baseless allegations or insinuations.