Porn companies challenged by Internet sites

[tony286]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22612601/

[seeric]

oh boy are they about 8 years late with this article.

its not like free porn on the net started yesterday.

lol.

[seeric]

by the way X-Tube is full of shit in that article.

[Zorgman]

A1R3K, how so?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

oh boy are they about 8 years late with this article.

its not like free porn on the net started yesterday.

lol.

When did TGPs start?

[will76]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

oh boy are they about 8 years late with this article.

its not like free porn on the net started yesterday.

lol.

there been "free porn" on the net since there was a net.

but up until a year or so ago the free porn consisted of 30 second video clips and not 30 minute video clips.

Sure there was the p2p network but its not user friendly and not a lot of people used it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by will76

Sure there was the p2p network but its not user friendly and not a lot of people used it.

Newsgroups my friend, bigger than all the tube sites combined together.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Newsgroups my friend, bigger than all the tube sites combined together.

but not userfriendly for the most part and many dont know about them.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by will76

there been "free porn" on the net since there was a net.

but up until a year or so ago the free porn consisted of 30 second video clips and not 30 minute video clips.

Sure there was the p2p network but its not user friendly and not a lot of people used it.

there have been full download movies on pirate sites (non-tube form, non p2p, with large traffic) since around 97'

in fact....most large mgp's (with real traffic) have always offered more than 30 seconds...especially the niche mgp's

i love how you come on gfy & pretend you know everything....timelines & all

[bronco67]

Did I read that right? $100 million a year?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by tony404

but not userfriendly for the most part and many dont know about them.

Newsgroups have millions of users every day, readers are very easy to use, almost all colleges use them, and some of news reader websites are some of the largest.

If it's online, it's on the Newsgroups. I can get almost every movie, every show, every good porn flick, music you can't get anywhere else in the world.. the list goes on.

Newsgroups absolutely pawn Tube sites in every way. Other than streaming flash movies on the go

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Newsgroups have millions of users every day, readers are very easy to use, almost all colleges use them, and some of news reader websites are some of the largest.

If it's online, it's on the Newsgroups. I can get almost every movie, every show, every good porn flick, music you can't get anywhere else in the world.. the list goes on.

Newsgroups absolutely pawn Tube sites in every way. Other than streaming flash movies on the go

then I guess your part of the problem.

I think you're overestimating the number of computer users savvy enough to use newsgroups. Most surfers are dumbshits who barely know how to access folders on their C drive -- or that they even have one -- much less, acquire, set up and operate a news reader. It's not like going to a tube site and clicking a 320 by 240 box.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by bronco67

then I guess your part of the problem.

I think you're overestimating the number of computer users savvy enough to use newsgroups. Most surfers are dumbshits who barely know how to access folders on their C drive -- or that they even have one -- much less, acquire, set up and operate a news reader. It's not like going to a tube site and clicking a 320 by 240 box.

good post

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by bronco67

then I guess your part of the problem.

I think you're overestimating the number of computer users savvy enough to use newsgroups. Most surfers are dumbshits who barely know how to access folders on their C drive -- or that they even have one -- much less, acquire, set up and operate a news reader. It's not like going to a tube site and clicking a 320 by 240 box.

What problem? That I use the Internet? That I'm smart enough to know that 1000's of musicians use the Newsgroups to freely distribute music? Or that News makes it to the "news" groups first? Cause I don't have time to download movies, or watch them, or porn for that matter.

Newsgroups to me are exactly like Tubes, another converting source of traffic to continue attacking because Webmasters like yourself would rather blame others than get off your ass and exploit the services that are exploiting you.

I'm sorry if I use my brain to make more money, to learn, to understand and expand my marketing/sales base to all areas of the Internet.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by bronco67

then I guess your part of the problem.

I think you're overestimating the number of computer users savvy enough to use newsgroups. Most surfers are dumbshits who barely know how to access folders on their C drive -- or that they even have one -- much less, acquire, set up and operate a news reader. It's not like going to a tube site and clicking a 320 by 240 box.

Id like to point out here that setting up and using bitcomet is way more complicated than newsbin pro and an nzb site

The poster is right torrent sites suck by comparison newsgroups have no seeding, no ratios and you can download the content as fast as your connection will go.

Thats the real threat

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Id like to point out here that setting up and using bitcomet is way more complicated than newsbin pro and an nzb site

The poster is right torrent sites suck by comparison newsgroups have no seeding, no ratios and you can download the content as fast as your connection will go.

Thats the real threat

Yes, you are right...but what I'm saying is that the people who know how to use all of these methods is probably 5% of computer users at most. I think I'm being pretty liberal with that number.

I'll admit I don't have some research figure to quote from, but...

being the tech savvy guy in mine and my girl's family and friends circle, I end up being called on many times to help someone with a computer problem. Most of them, like I said in a previous post, don't even know how to get to their C drive, or what the fuck it even is. I'm talking about almost all of them. To me that's a microcosm for what it's really like out there. They're dumb as fucking shit.

[will76]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Newsgroups my friend, bigger than all the tube sites combined together.

Oh yeah, so many more people use newsgroups then tube sites.

the few times I searched the news groups it was all crap. TGPS have more content then news groups.

I know everyone thinks alexa is crap, but go look up megarotic.com youporn.com redtube.com pornotube.com those sites are in the top 100 or close of all of the sites on the net. The only people that use newsgroups are people who have been online since the 90's.


news groups bigger than all tube sites combined. too fucking funny.

The surfers who matter, the ones that are new to the net, they are hitting tube sites to get their free porn. They probably don't even know what a news group is. I could case less if a few dinosaurs still use the news groups.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

by the way X-Tube is full of shit in that article.

There is only one paragraph of xTube claims.

"The Web site has 200,000 free videos, typically 30 seconds to two minutes long, and about 1 percent of visitors buy DVDs or video streams, resulting in millions of dollars of annual revenue, sales director Curtis Potec said. About two thirds of XTube's viewers are gay, Potec said."

Which of these do you contest?

[will76]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What problem? That I use the Internet? That I'm smart enough to know that 1000's of musicians use the Newsgroups to freely distribute music? Or that News makes it to the "news" groups first? Cause I don't have time to download movies, or watch them, or porn for that matter.

Newsgroups to me are exactly like Tubes, another converting source of traffic to continue attacking because Webmasters like yourself would rather blame others than get off your ass and exploit the services that are exploiting you.

I'm sorry if I use my brain to make more money, to learn, to understand and expand my marketing/sales base to all areas of the Internet.

who is talking about musicians or news in this thread, the topic was porn. great so news groups are like tube sites for you, wonderfull, thanks for sharing.

[will76]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Yes, you are right...but what I'm saying is that the people who know how to use all of these methods is probably 5% of computer users at most. I think I'm being pretty liberal with that number.

I'll admit I don't have some research figure to quote from, but...

being the tech savvy guy in mine and my girl's family and friends circle, I end up being called on many times to help someone with a computer problem. Most of them, like I said in a previous post, don't even know how to get to their C drive, or what the fuck it even is. I'm talking about almost all of them. To me that's a microcosm for what it's really like out there. They're dumb as fucking shit.

Its safe to say that less than 1% of the people who got online after 2002 knows what a " news group" is muchless have they every subscribed to one. I bet less than 5% of the people who have been online before 1999 still use a news group. Keep in mind, i am not talking webmasters but everyday internet users.

The top 5 tube sites are getting 10's of millions of hits a day. I am sure 10's of millions of people hit the newsgroups everyday looking for porn

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by will76

Oh yeah, so many more people use newsgroups then tube sites.

Why do you talk? I market on both Tubes and Newsgroups, newsgroups for 10 years now.. I have just a bit of an idea wtf is going on, I would say, 10 years past yourself.

Originally Posted by will76

the few times I searched the news groups it was all crap. TGPS have more content then news groups.

Sorry? I can find the same crap on Google too.

Originally Posted by will76

I know everyone thinks alexa is crap, but go look up megarotic.com youporn.com redtube.com pornotube.com those sites are in the top 100 or close of all of the sites on the net. The only people that use newsgroups are people who have been online since the 90's.

And every college in America, and who knows how many around the world. And 1000's of business too, and most dialup ISP's. Do your research, you just spout crap with no knowledge of what your are talking about.

Originally Posted by will76

news groups bigger than all tube sites combined. too fucking funny.

The surfers who matter, the ones that are new to the net, they are hitting tube sites to get their free porn. They probably don't even know what a news group is. I could case less if a few dinosaurs still use the news groups.

Really? Cause news group sites are very fucking popular. Then the 100's of free readers that come with internet package cd's, lets just not forget about the .. what 100,000+ networks of news groups?

Yeah, who uses those... pfft, nobody.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by will76

who is talking about musicians or news in this thread, the topic was porn. great so news groups are like tube sites for you, wonderfull, thanks for sharing.

I am, if you don't like it, don't read it.

[Drake]

I'm one of those who has no clue how to use newsgroups. I'm just not computer savvy at all. I think I'm representative of most people online. Tubes are much more accessible.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Mike33

I'm one of those who has no clue how to use newsgroups. I'm just not computer savvy at all. I think I'm representative of most people online. Tubes are much more accessible.

Have you heard of sites like Guba, eazynews, 1000's of others, they are newsgroup sites. Many more news sites than tube sites.. You don't really have to be news savvy to use the newsgroups.

[will76]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I am, if you don't like it, don't read it.

i know you are but what am I. tag your it!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Have you heard of sites like Guba, eazynews, 1000's of others, they are newsgroup sites. Many more news sites than tube sites.. You don't really have to be news savvy to use the newsgroups.

Your avg surfer doesnt know what they are.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Mike33

I'm one of those who has no clue how to use newsgroups. I'm just not computer savvy at all. I think I'm representative of most people online. Tubes are much more accessible.

don't argue with people who have been online for 20 years and still use news groups, they still think news groups are popular, they also probably still use 8track tapes too.

99% of the people online do not use news groups.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Have you heard of sites like Guba, eazynews, 1000's of others, they are newsgroup sites. Many more news sites than tube sites.. You don't really have to be news savvy to use the newsgroups.

lol ..... Doc until you said "newsgroups" I forgot they existed.

[BV]

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[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by will76

don't argue with people who have been online for 20 years and still use news groups, they still think news groups are popular, they also probably still use 8track tapes too.

99% of the people online do not use news groups.

Again, you have never marketing on Newsgroups and it sounds like never on Tube sites either.

Why do you post in threads that you clearly no nothing about. Why try to add to a convo on a subject you never tested?

So to you since you couldn't search newsgroups, only 1% of the net does, of course nobody uses them. You are a killer researcher.

[will76]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Again, you have never marketing on Newsgroups and it sounds like never on Tube sites either.

Why do you post in threads that you clearly no nothing about. Why try to add to a convo on a subject you never tested?

So to you since you couldn't search newsgroups, only 1% of the net does, of course nobody uses them. You are a killer researcher.

At least I am staying on topic. The topic is Porn companies losing money to free porn. You chime in how newsgroups are sooo much bigger than all the tube sites combined! then you say that newsgroups and musicians and news blah blah. who gives a fuck.


so i have to market on a tube site and/or news group to comment. It is common knowledge that the VAST majority of surfers have no clue what is a news group is or how to use one. Tube sites are 100x more easier to use. I am sure you and other people still make money from news groups and I am sure some people still use them. But you lost all credibility when you tried to say newsgroups (in discussion about free porn) is bigger than all tube sites put together and that they are easy to use. Fucking surfers get stumped on things like how to open mail.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt with the NATS stuff because of your association with them, now i know for sure about you. No need to reply, you right you right news groups are easy to use, everyone uses them and are more popular than tube sites and are the real threat. I will leave you to your nonesense don't bother replying I wont be replying to any of your posts in the future you are a waste of time.

[TheDoc]

Going to blow your mind here.. Check this, Tube sites are about 50% smaller than what you think.

Tubes sites are known to get heavy Asian traffic (people that market on them know this). The Asian market it the largest users of the Alexa Plugin. You can spam Asian Boards and double your Alexa Rankings in days, you can get into the 1000 in weeks.

Tubes (not sponsor driven) aren't driven by US/CA traffic.

Ever researched any of this?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by will76

I gave you the benefit of the doubt with the NATS stuff because of your association with them,

I'm not associated with NATS, at all, in anyway. Get this, I'm a Webmaster. I have ran the biggest traffic, huge paysites, content plugins, tons of small and lots of big. My life is building traffic, marketing, and sales.

[Zorgman]

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[Socks]

Will76 you've made a lot of posts I agree with, but this statement is clearly factually wrong.

TGPS have more content then news groups. <---

Completely and totally false.

Giganews for example offers I think 200+ day retention on anything uploaded to the newsgroups. We're talking petabytes of data, in all genres. Only thing that keeps them legally viable is that the client side has to "unchunk" the pieces, and the pieces are never put together on their servers.. So they just claim they have petabytes of random useless data basically. Without the client software to put the pieces back together, it IS useless data.

I was talking to DDF Productions a few months ago (1by-day, hotlegsandfeet etc) and showed them roughly 60gb of their videos, downloaded and packed up into DVD format ready to be downloaded on the newsgroups. That's a drop in the bucket to what's on there. I'd hazard to say the newsgroups probably have at least 25-50 TIMES what piratebay and those torrent sites have indexed.

Only difference is no web front end really. All this piracy beef is brought up because of how easy it is for the dummy surfer to get stuff now, they only care that what was once back room is now on display in the windows.

[V_RocKs]

Porn people are pioneers.. Plain and simple.

So when it comes to shutting down these free loaders we will show the RIAA how to be successful in that too.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Socks

Will76 you've made a lot of posts I agree with, but this statement is clearly factually wrong.

TGPS have more content then news groups. <---

Completely and totally false.

Giganews for example offers I think 200+ day retention on anything uploaded to the newsgroups. We're talking petabytes of data, in all genres. Only thing that keeps them legally viable is that the client side has to "unchunk" the pieces, and the pieces are never put together on their servers.. So they just claim they have petabytes of random useless data basically. Without the client software to put the pieces back together, it IS useless data.

I was talking to DDF Productions a few months ago (1by-day, hotlegsandfeet etc) and showed them roughly 60gb of their videos, downloaded and packed up into DVD format ready to be downloaded on the newsgroups. That's a drop in the bucket to what's on there. I'd hazard to say the newsgroups probably have at least 25-50 TIMES what piratebay and those torrent sites have indexed.

Only difference is no web front end really. All this piracy beef is brought up because of how easy it is for the dummy surfer to get stuff now, they only care that what was once back room is now on display in the windows.

are we still talking about mainstream movies and music on news groups or porn? If newsgroups have more porn on it then tube sites and tgps, then they have more i'll take your word for it.

I guess I meant to say TGPS / tubes have more porn surfers than newsgroups have porn surfers.

It's not like newsgroups are popular for people looking to get free porn and likely the only people using newsgroups for free porn are people who have been around for YEARS, not the most likely people to signup to your website. I would bet tube sites (and tgps) get 100x more porn surfers on them looking for porn than news groups, so i guess it doesn't matter which is bigger or has more, just what gets surfed more by potential customers. You can get full length videos from tube sites too. all of this is staying on topic with thread about free porn hurting websites, so my comments where in regards to where most people find free porn.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

lol ..... Doc until you said "newsgroups" I forgot they existed.

me too.

Check the alexa on Guba compared to the tubes.

The article did hit it head on about share price.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...mb=pla&x=0&y=0

[will76]

Originally Posted by pr0

there have been full download movies on pirate sites (non-tube form, non p2p, with large traffic) since around 97'

in fact....most large mgp's (with real traffic) have always offered more than 30 seconds...especially the niche mgp's

i love how you come on gfy & pretend you know everything....timelines & all

You can tell when someone is trying to pick a fight.

Can you point out any of these LARGE TRAFFIC pirate sites that have been around since 97 that displayed full length down movies?

Which MGP's offer more than 30 second clips? All of the big name tgps/ mgps that I know of don't show more than 30 second second clips unless they have changed in the last couple years.

Show me how I don't know anything post urls to all of these sites you are making reference to, but failed to mention by name, and I will be the first to say I was wrong.

I hope i don't get the standard " there is too many to post " reply

[TheDoc]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Over time, the amount of Usenet traffic has steadily increased.

It is important to note, however, that much of this traffic increase reflects not an increase in discrete users or newsgroup discussions, but instead the combination of massive automated spamming

and an increase in the use of .binaries newsgroups in which large files (frequently pornography or pirated media) are often posted publicly. A small sampling of the change (measured in feed size per day) follows: 3.12 TB 2007-04-21

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by will76

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The top 5 tube sites are getting 10's of millions of hits a day. I am sure 10's of millions of people hit the newsgroups everyday looking for porn

So you're saying its just as easy to set up a news reader and download headers than it is to surf to a well-laid out website and click on a picture? For the AVERAGE surfer, there is HUGE leap in tech savvy required to go the newsgroup route.

excuse me, if you were just being facetious.

[bronco67]

I just saw the upside down smiley....

[pr0]

Originally Posted by will76

don't argue with people who have been online for 20 years and still use news groups, they still think news groups are popular, they also probably still use 8track tapes too.

99% of the people online do not use news groups.

Will spitting out more imaginary #'s.

He's real good at that.

Take notice noobs....everyone else already knows.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Newsgroups have millions of users every day, readers are very easy to use, almost all colleges use them, and some of news reader websites are some of the largest.

If it's online, it's on the Newsgroups. I can get almost every movie, every show, every good porn flick, music you can't get anywhere else in the world.. the list goes on.

Newsgroups absolutely pawn Tube sites in every way. Other than streaming flash movies on the go

Yet I don't know how to use newsgroups...so if I can't use them, there aren't a lot of people who are wanting some porn RIGHT NOW that will be able to use them.

[will76]

Originally Posted by pr0

Will spitting out more imaginary #'s.

He's real good at that.

Take notice noobs....everyone else already knows.

LOL @ pr0. What are all of the names of these" large" pirate sites from 1997 that give people full length porn movies to download for free. Which "popular" tgp / mgps commonly have video clips that are more than 30 seconds long ?

You made the statements big boy, just give us some urls to backup your statements. Since you keep making comments that I think I know it all, prove where I am wrong. You made reference to there being several types of site like you mentioned above, just give me 5 urls for each and I will admitt I was wrong, and you were right.

It's amazing you never had anything bad to say about me until I made a post asking why people beg on GFY for money. Ever since then why you reply to me there is always attitude. Let me know if you still taking that post personal and I will do you a favor and put you on ignore.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BVF

Yet I don't know how to use newsgroups...so if I can't use them, there aren't a lot of people who are wanting some porn RIGHT NOW that will be able to use them.

So you don't know how to use a paysite?

Yeah, you can use newsgroups, right now, nothing to download to make it work or install, just use your browser as if you are surfing tube sites.

[Jai]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

oh boy are they about 8 years late with this article.

its not like free porn on the net started yesterday.

lol.

weeeeeeeeerd

[seeric]

Originally Posted by will76

there been "free porn" on the net since there was a net.

but up until a year or so ago the free porn consisted of 30 second video clips and not 30 minute video clips.

Sure there was the p2p network but its not user friendly and not a lot of people used it.

yes i know. i only play a moron on tv. what i meant by 8 years, is thats the marker to where i personally feel that free porn has been too much. around 2000.

personal opinion. in the article they make it sound like all this "problem" with free porn just started today.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

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Here are some sites running TEVS

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http://www.smutthumb.com
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I like TEVS.

I think its one of the right ways to do tube.

Let's all keep in mind that sites like megarotic didn't set out to find a tube model to push to sponsors to make sales on paysites like TEVS did. Instead the built a machine to kill. They don't give a shit what they kill or how, they send all their traffic to AFF and AFF loves it. Remember that.

[seeric]

newsgroups and other preexisting sources of free pron have had a sharp learning curve up until recently. skin video was the first to attempt the fucking over of content producers by removing that curve by slurping the newsgroups to an easy to use interface. WE made them change their model.

sites like meagrotic remove that curve and therefore attract more people without the technical knowledge to access those avenues for full length free stuff thats always been there.

they've removed the learning curve.

i do not argue anymore with people. i have stuff going on behind the scenes to twart and adapt and innovate with the times, i am merely making a few points. people can absorb them or not, i do not care.