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sortie · 01-10-2008, 11:52 AM

100 kinky shoots

baddog · 01-10-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

One thing I noticed about the BDSM market, the surfers are real educated on whats out there. You can't slip past them a cookie-cutter site.

That is why I don't promote niches I am not readily familiar with. I know balloons sell, but as my knowledge of why is so limited, I leave it to the pros.

tony286 · 01-10-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

That is why I don't promote niches I am not readily familiar with. I know balloons sell, but as my knowledge of why is so limited, I leave it to the pros.

Your smart, I feel the same way.

INever · 01-10-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Kink has a strong rep with models and has handled themselves very professionally. I m very impressed, if I never saw one of their banners on a tube site full of ripped content I might even like them.That interview footage means nothing really. The girl wants to get paid for the shoot she is going to say what has to be said to get the check or cash etc.

If you want to reconcile both accounts of this story, perhaps hypnosis and the Stockholm Syndrome need to be taken into account. Doublethink is pervasive these days, the ability to hold 2 completely different points of view at the same time.

_Richard_ · 01-10-2008, 12:10 PM

i missed the part that proved the model with the problem is the model in the video, but i'd be surprised if anything she claimed in that was fully true

mhende6600 · 01-10-2008, 12:24 PM

I wish kink would send me my fucking money as fast as they replied to this post about a coked up slut.

DaddyHalbucks · 01-10-2008, 12:25 PM

Oh well, every shoot can't be perfect.

Kink seems pretty responsible, from what I know of the company.

Socks · 01-10-2008, 01:25 PM

My penis is still waiting patiently for that full length video.... ;)

pornask · 01-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

My penis is still waiting patiently for that full length video.... ;)

Kinky Dollars · 01-10-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mhende6600

I wish kink would send me my fucking money as fast as they replied to this post about a coked up slut.

Hey mhende6600 the payments went out today. Hit me up if you have any questions. You will be seeing your money very soon!

Terry
Kink.com
ICQ: 410353788
YM: trmfremont2005

hollinator · 01-10-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i think the girls do know what they are getting into, they can see the videos, but i'm sure some of them when the action gets rolling realize it's a lot more than they bargained for and are intimidated and scared. none of us know what the people there are like when a girl protests or shows signs of freaking out on set - pretty thin line. very unique world - people aren't supposed to be comfortable shooting that stuff, so tears, and even maybe somebody saying 'no' are part of it all - so when does 'no' really mean 'no' in that world?

Yes, it's called a 'safe word'... Which many people have talked about on here.

DirtyProfits · 01-10-2008, 02:23 PM

Looks a little bit like fake drama to present kink's core values and their professionalism. I am studying marketing and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a nice marketing campaign. Anyway, we will never know

Kimmykim · 01-10-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyProfits

Looks a little bit like fake drama to present kink's core values and their professionalism. I am studying marketing and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a nice marketing campaign. Anyway, we will never know

Looks like you get a F on this homework.

If a company like Kink was looking for publicity or drama, this would be the last way to go about it.

Buying the Armory building in SF and announcing they were going to use it as a studio and possible try to convert it for use as an event venue is publicity; having someone claim that they've gone over the line with a model is a near criminal claim.

Christina Muller · 01-10-2008, 02:52 PM

I have no idea of what actually took place during this shoot as I wasnt there,so cant comment.

As a performer/director who works in the same field as Kink (work admired very much) I would like to give some basic insights into what happens on our shoots.

Firstly,all performers are told many times that a safe word will be used to stop everything ,code red seems common in the biz.
Should a performer say red or code red it means something is wrong and anything taking place needs to be halted immediatly.
Safe codes are used due to the fact that crying,screaming and verbal abuse are part of the plot(example stop your hurting me master)and this code is how we know the performer means what they are saying.
Of course if the person is bound gagged etc we use other methods.

I also have situations involving guys and some girls that like pain too much and are a possible danger to themself,so even using codes I have a pro BDSM Master of 20 years on the set watching everything and if he feels it has reached a limit,he will halt production no matter how good its looking.

Everyone here is trained and told what will take place in great detail,it is not uncommon for performers to have lumps/bumps,whip marks etc after filming its the nature of the job.

Summary.

BDSM and simlar subject matter is very complex work requiring staff and people you wouldnt normally find on the average porn set.
It requires great skill and observation at all times,I have watched almost everything KinK has ever produced and it seems very highly organised(although I mention again this is not related to this incident and in fact I have never worked with them)comments are based on all the behind the scene filming etc.

I hope this has given some readers an insight to how life is in the fetish world

DirtyProfits · 01-11-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Looks like you get a F on this homework.

If a company like Kink was looking for publicity or drama, this would be the last way to go about it.

Buying the Armory building in SF and announcing they were going to use it as a studio and possible try to convert it for use as an event venue is publicity; having someone claim that they've gone over the line with a model is a near criminal claim.

Well, I have seen several people stating in this thread that they want to sign up as affiliates now. Moreover this guy who started this thread did not reply anymore. Publicity is publicity, even bad publicity is still publicity, see Paris Hilton.
Just my theory, of course it must not hold true but could be possible.

Tempest · 01-11-2008, 06:40 AM

Interesting drama... What I really find interesting though is Kink's response to this given they claim they're in the lifestyle and have a clear understanding of these types of things... Assuming this model is inexperienced, I find it somewhat unprofessional of Kink to have her experience intense S&M for their videos that she's never gone thru before and then expect her to actually remember and verbalize a safe word.. Anyone that's done this sort of thing KNOWS that many times the girl will be so caught up in the rush of emotions and intense feelings/sensations she's experiencing that she barely even knows where she is, especially if she reaches that "sub space" la la land... It's up to the dominant to be able to read her body language (something difficult to do with first timers) and pause to query her on occasion...

The "interview" afterwards is also a joke... Again, anyone that knows anything about this stuff knows that she's still "high" from adrenaline etc. so that of course she'd say she loved it etc. Kink would know that.. What better time to interview someone to ensure there's no law suits later... When you take someone inexperienced and put them thru an intense session, it's expected that a respectable "dominant" will provide "after care" to the girl... Not the same day but over the week following the session... It's not until she's home and sees the bruises that start to show up and turn black and blue etc. that the reality of what she's gone thru hits her and she can actually see it on her body...

Regardless, I can see how this sort of thing can easily take place and I'm sure there's fault on both sides.

viencarl · 01-11-2008, 06:50 AM

Ricky Dynamite he has a good answer to your post what can you say??

wasteland · 01-12-2008, 02:48 PM

Very interesting thread on a lot of levels, so I thought, as one of the veterans of the bdsm content industry, I'd add my two cents....

First off, kudos to Chad and the Kink team for handling this issue so promptly and professionally. You have a great organization and it really shows when issues come up.

Shooting BDSM is a very different thing than the rest of adult erotica. The first and most obvious difference is that the entire goal of each scene is to produce pain and psychological/emotional submission. Sure, sometimes there is sexual activity, but the true heart and soul of a bdsm scene lies within the psychodrama of what we call "Erotic Power Exchange".

This can lead to some occasional difficulties when working with models and actresses that are not "into" the bdsm scene. These can range from not being able to leave any marks on the model because she is booked the next day for a glamour shoot, to discovering on the first spank that she has very little pain tolerance and really is not a good candidate for performing a realistic bdsm scene. And then there is the emotional issue. Models with little experience in bdsm play can at times have deep feelings, often stemming from childhood experiences, come up when being punished or humiliated in a scene.

For these reasons, over the past 12 years of shooting for Wasteland, we have always tended to work with "lifestyle" bdsm players that know exactly what they are doing, and enjoy every minute of it.

My advise to any new folks that are planning on producing bdsm content is:
1. Hire a very experienced Dom or Domina to "run" the scene. This is critical, as he or she will know the protocol, and have the experience of how to best work with a submissive for maximum effect;
2. When hiring submissives, try to recruit from within the bdsm community, as well as models that specialize in this sort of activity. This will go a long way in minimizing "surprises" during shooting, as well as get the most intense performance footage for your library.
3. With those two assets in place, scene planning, negotiation, establishing limits and safewords and the rest of the bdsm protocol fall into place very nicely and pretty much guarantees a successful experience for everyone.

Cheer to all,
Colin at Wasteland

pornask · 01-12-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Assuming this model is inexperienced, I find it somewhat unprofessional of Kink to have her experience intense S&M for their videos that she's never gone thru before and then expect her to actually remember and verbalize a safe word..

It was mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread that this was models 3rd or 4th shoot with Kink.

JasonSmokes · 01-12-2008, 03:15 PM

Kink is a great company with a great set of sites!

wasteland · 01-12-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Kink in general. You can promote other BDSM sites out there, but they're often generic looking with oversaturated content. One thing I noticed about the BDSM market, the surfers are real educated on whats out there. You can't slip past them a cookie-cutter site.

The average member so far has stayed 2.3 months (only been pushing about 6 months). It comes out to $37.43 per member so far. Those numbers are by far some of the best I've seen of late from a paysite in such a short period of time. They do some good cross-sells between their sites that you get credit for as well.

Absolutely correct about the BDSM surfers being not only real educated about what's out there, but also real educated in general. This is a VERY different consumer group than "vanilla porn". Our polling over the past 12 years of our members show some interesting data:
1. Income average > $100k a year;
2. Predominant number of college and post graduate educated;
3. Predominant number in advanced level careers;
4. Average age of member: 48 years old

As for conversions, bdsm surfers are VERY savvy about what to look for in the sites they join. The majority are "lifestyle" bdsm players and can smell cookie cutter wannabe sites with purchased content a mile away. These surfers are looking for the "real deal" when considering purchasing a membership.

As there are only about 8 "real bdsm" content producers with paysites on the web, surfers will tend to eventually find them and, the good news is, the retention is far above the adult industry average. Wasteland has a healthy retention rate of about 4.5 months, and a few annual members that go all the way back to 1996. Our longest term member is an elderly college professor from Iowa that joined in early 1996 and faithfully renews every year (and follows up with a friendly phone call to the staff here with his "wish list" for new shoots).

As for your observation that Kink is clocking in at around 2.3 months retention, I suspect it is much higher if you look at the big picture. They have a large variety of sites and I suspect that members go from one to the other periodically, but stay within the Kink family of sites.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Peter and the Kink team have built a great infrastructure and have truly raised the bar for production values for the rest of us in this bdsm marketplace. Check around some of the other similar programs and you'll see what I mean. A new gold standard has been established. The other bit of good news is that the average bdsm consumer is a member of 3 bdsm sites simultaneously (average monthly expenditure is around $100 - yes, this is an affluent consumer group!), so this opens up a lot of additional promotional opportunities for affiliates.

Cheers,
Colin at Wasteland

EscortBiz · 01-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Tons of girls who worked for my sites have done work for kink.com too and all had nothing but positive things to say about everyone there.

EB

Simon_Spicecash · 01-12-2008, 04:40 PM

I'd like to pickup on Wasteland's point here.

Shooting BDSM content is an entirely different animal than most other adult oriented material. And I believe one of the strong points over at Kink.com has been shooting models that are known more for "vanilla porn" and fans of these particular models will join sites of Kink.com purely for the thrill of seeing their favorite vanilla models in a rough BDSM scene. The downside can be, as Wasteland was mentioning is that these performers are not lifestyle BDSM players, and a big part of being able to withstand some of these tortures is pleasure. If they derive no pleasure from bondage itself - it can be a traumatic experience...however all in all Kink.com has proven itself time and time again to be the best at what they do.

Looking over records and communicating with members of Everydayslaves.com I've noticed an striking resemblance to Wasteland's.

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Originally Posted by wasteland

1. Income average > $100k a year;
2. Predominant number of college and post graduate educated;
3. Predominant number in advanced level careers;
4. Average age of member: 48 years old

I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the BDSM community really is just that...a community. And so people who enter it, tend to stay in it a lot longer and have that much more dedication towards it, partly because it's very hard for many people to enact many of these fantasies on their own in their real lives, and so they rely on the internet and paysites to provide them their need.

The point I think is, BDSM is one of the harder niches to shoot because it involves pain. And with that knowledge in mind - Kink.com has done a spectacular job at what they do.

I also agree that shooting models that are BDSM players, or even in our case living in 24/7 D/s relationships is much easier and realistic, which has proven to play well with the average BDSM surfer, as Wasteland said - these surfers have become extremely savvy. And many of them are looking for the "real thing", 24/7 D/s couples are like the amateur of vanilla porn, and its become a marketplace that is simply ripe for the picking.

wasteland · 01-12-2008, 05:04 PM

EDSmontreal hit the nail on the head in so many ways in this post.
The community aspect is one of the most critical aspects of bdsm site structure, and working with lifestyle players totally pays off in conversions and retention, with the added bonus of having actresses that are "into it" to avoid surprises when shooting (and, after shooting, as is the case in this thread)!

Great set of sites you have there, "north of the border"!

Cheers,
Colin

ichauch · 01-12-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

And the chick being interviewed is in love. You can tell she had a great time and would follow the other chick to the ends of the earth.

Do you really think that?
The girl is just saying what she thinks people want her to say and what she thinks is best for her to say.
She doesn't look that comfortable to me. Looks more like she was loath to do that stuff.

Socks · 01-12-2008, 05:46 PM

Nice to have your input here Colin, I have been an affiliate of yours since 2002.

I'd like to talk with you, can you shoot me a quick e-mail? [email protected]

Thanks man,

Socks

wasteland · 01-12-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

Nice to have your input here Colin, I have been an affiliate of yours since 2002.

I'd like to talk with you, can you shoot me a quick e-mail? [email protected]

Thanks man,

Socks

Nice to hear from you, Socks!
I'll pop you and email right now and we can chat a bit about bdsm traffic.

Cheers,
Colin

tuffruff · 01-12-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

That is why I don't promote niches I am not readily familiar with. I know balloons sell, but as my knowledge of why is so limited, I leave it to the pros.

Good to see you again baddog remember me? We hooked up in Vegas a few times back in the day...
I was no pro at all in fact very far from it as far as promoting bdsm and related niche sites but with the help of Colin from Wasteland and a little studying on my own it is for the most part the only thing I promote these days.
Mike S (Mayor) once gave me some of the best advice I recieved many years ago when he told me I was designing pages and sites just towards what I liked not thinking outside the box what others may want. Now I still havent brought myself to promote gay sites as of yet (Not that there is anything wrong with that...sorry for the Seinfeld joke) but that advice and the happening to to meet Colin from this board a few years ago had helped make me much more sucessful than I otherwise would have been

Mutt · 01-12-2008, 07:25 PM

I think the girl is telling the honest truth as she sees and feels it and I think Kink does whatever it can to prevent it - but when you shoot this kind of content with that many models whom they know nothing about before they show up to shoot you're going to get the occassional traumatized model. same thing goes on in the hardcore industry where girls assholes are ripped apart from double anal scenes. at the time of the shoot they are gung ho - they are eager to please, buoyed by adrenaline - it's after, maybe even much after that the post traumatic stress type stuff comes.

Also face it, if you're pulling that much of your talent out of the LA hardcore porn pool you are dealing with some pretty messed up girls to begin with.

Wasteland says they don't hire talent from outside the lifestyle - this is a big part of the reason - Kink needs so much fresh talent that they have to use the LA agencies and the second reason, - who looks better, the 21 year old girl next door fresh off the bus two weeks ago from Kansas or the 35 year old ugly chick who lives the BDSM lifestyle?

joeman1 · 01-12-2008, 09:13 PM

I was going to post what the fuck this shits crazy and insane.

But, then I spent the time to read on and watch the video and I just laugh at the post now ;)

tuffruff · 01-13-2008, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Wasteland says they don't hire talent from outside the lifestyle - this is a big part of the reason - Kink needs so much fresh talent that they have to use the LA agencies and the second reason, - who looks better, the 21 year old girl next door fresh off the bus two weeks ago from Kansas or the 35 year old ugly chick who lives the BDSM lifestyle?

Maybe 35? I don't know but at least to me they don't look ugly

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wasteland · 01-13-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Wasteland says they don't hire talent from outside the lifestyle - this is a big part of the reason - Kink needs so much fresh talent that they have to use the LA agencies and the second reason, - who looks better, the 21 year old girl next door fresh off the bus two weeks ago from Kansas or the 35 year old ugly chick who lives the BDSM lifestyle?

Hi Mutt,
Interesting observation about the age and appearance variable. What we've found over the years is that age and appearance is not of greatest importance to the bdsm lifestyle community. Of much more importance is that they see other lifestyle performers engaging in edge play that hook into their interests and individual fetishes. Kink's business model, as Tuffruff pointed out, is to showcase well-known internet personalities, most of whom come from mainstream adult entertainment. They do this extremely well and hence appeal to mainstream porn surfers that want to see their favorite internet stars take a walk on the dark side.

Wasteland and a lot of the other lifestyle bdsm community sites tend to focus on recruiting bdsm players that have a passion for pain and putting on a good performance for viewers like they do at their local bdsm clubs and events. It's sort of comparing apples to oranges in this regard. We've actually tried over the years to bring in some high profile adult talent and "girls off the bus from Kansas" with pretty mixed reviews from the members.

So, if you can believe it, a niche as small as bdsm actually has two very distinct audiences. Drop me an email if you want to further explore this odd little topic. I don't want to keep bumping this poor thread....;-)

Cheers,
Colin at wasteland

Mutt · 01-13-2008, 02:51 PM

that was my point - Kink's focus on well known porn starlets and newcomers will lead to situations like this happening no matter what safeguards they have in place while BDSM sites where the talent is from within that scene won't often have talent suffering from post traumatic stress type symptoms.

wasteland · 01-13-2008, 03:16 PM

The only trauma wasteland generally faces is if we run out of coffee on location. LOL

porsche · 01-13-2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

I think the girl is telling the honest truth as she sees and feels it and I think Kink does whatever it can to prevent it - but when you shoot this kind of content with that many models whom they know nothing about before they show up to shoot you're going to get the occassional traumatized model. same thing goes on in the hardcore industry where girls assholes are ripped apart from double anal scenes. at the time of the shoot they are gung ho - they are eager to please, buoyed by adrenaline - it's after, maybe even much after that the post traumatic stress type stuff comes.

Also face it, if you're pulling that much of your talent out of the LA hardcore porn pool you are dealing with some pretty messed up girls to begin with.

Wasteland says they don't hire talent from outside the lifestyle - this is a big part of the reason - Kink needs so much fresh talent that they have to use the LA agencies and the second reason, - who looks better, the 21 year old girl next door fresh off the bus two weeks ago from Kansas or the 35 year old ugly chick who lives the BDSM lifestyle?

Totally agree with you there.

she prob when home and freaked out when she look in the mirror! its a very hard industry! and if your not mentally ready for it, it will give you PTSD

tuffruff · 01-13-2008, 05:52 PM

In laymens terms for idiots like me...Real converts better than not real because the users that want it KNOW THE DIFFERENCE..

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01-10-2008, 02:52 PM	#114
Christina Muller Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canada/Germany Posts: 923	I have no idea of what actually took place during this shoot as I wasnt there,so cant comment. As a performer/director who works in the same field as Kink (work admired very much) I would like to give some basic insights into what happens on our shoots. Firstly,all performers are told many times that a safe word will be used to stop everything ,code red seems common in the biz. Should a performer say red or code red it means something is wrong and anything taking place needs to be halted immediatly. Safe codes are used due to the fact that crying,screaming and verbal abuse are part of the plot(example stop your hurting me master)and this code is how we know the performer means what they are saying. Of course if the person is bound gagged etc we use other methods. I also have situations involving guys and some girls that like pain too much and are a possible danger to themself,so even using codes I have a pro BDSM Master of 20 years on the set watching everything and if he feels it has reached a limit,he will halt production no matter how good its looking. Everyone here is trained and told what will take place in great detail,it is not uncommon for performers to have lumps/bumps,whip marks etc after filming its the nature of the job. Summary. BDSM and simlar subject matter is very complex work requiring staff and people you wouldnt normally find on the average porn set. It requires great skill and observation at all times,I have watched almost everything KinK has ever produced and it seems very highly organised(although I mention again this is not related to this incident and in fact I have never worked with them)comments are based on all the behind the scene filming etc. I hope this has given some readers an insight to how life is in the fetish world __________________ Promote A Brand Your Surfer Trusts Playboy No Upsell - No X Sales - No Bullshit !

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01-12-2008, 02:48 PM	#118
wasteland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 697	On Shooting BDSM..... Very interesting thread on a lot of levels, so I thought, as one of the veterans of the bdsm content industry, I'd add my two cents.... First off, kudos to Chad and the Kink team for handling this issue so promptly and professionally. You have a great organization and it really shows when issues come up. Shooting BDSM is a very different thing than the rest of adult erotica. The first and most obvious difference is that the entire goal of each scene is to produce pain and psychological/emotional submission. Sure, sometimes there is sexual activity, but the true heart and soul of a bdsm scene lies within the psychodrama of what we call "Erotic Power Exchange". This can lead to some occasional difficulties when working with models and actresses that are not "into" the bdsm scene. These can range from not being able to leave any marks on the model because she is booked the next day for a glamour shoot, to discovering on the first spank that she has very little pain tolerance and really is not a good candidate for performing a realistic bdsm scene. And then there is the emotional issue. Models with little experience in bdsm play can at times have deep feelings, often stemming from childhood experiences, come up when being punished or humiliated in a scene. For these reasons, over the past 12 years of shooting for Wasteland, we have always tended to work with "lifestyle" bdsm players that know exactly what they are doing, and enjoy every minute of it. My advise to any new folks that are planning on producing bdsm content is: 1. Hire a very experienced Dom or Domina to "run" the scene. This is critical, as he or she will know the protocol, and have the experience of how to best work with a submissive for maximum effect; 2. When hiring submissives, try to recruit from within the bdsm community, as well as models that specialize in this sort of activity. This will go a long way in minimizing "surprises" during shooting, as well as get the most intense performance footage for your library. 3. With those two assets in place, scene planning, negotiation, establishing limits and safewords and the rest of the bdsm protocol fall into place very nicely and pretty much guarantees a successful experience for everyone. Cheer to all, Colin at Wasteland Last edited by wasteland; 01-12-2008 at 02:50 PM.. Reason: forgot to add sig

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,990	i missed the part that proved the model with the problem is the model in the video, but i'd be surprised if anything she claimed in that was fully true

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mhende6600 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 740	I wish kink would send me my fucking money as fast as they replied to this post about a coked up slut.

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	My penis is still waiting patiently for that full length video.... ;)

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DirtyProfits Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,885	Looks a little bit like fake drama to present kink's core values and their professionalism. I am studying marketing and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a nice marketing campaign. Anyway, we will never know

01-11-2008, 06:40 AM	#116
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Interesting drama... What I really find interesting though is Kink's response to this given they claim they're in the lifestyle and have a clear understanding of these types of things... Assuming this model is inexperienced, I find it somewhat unprofessional of Kink to have her experience intense S&M for their videos that she's never gone thru before and then expect her to actually remember and verbalize a safe word.. Anyone that's done this sort of thing KNOWS that many times the girl will be so caught up in the rush of emotions and intense feelings/sensations she's experiencing that she barely even knows where she is, especially if she reaches that "sub space" la la land... It's up to the dominant to be able to read her body language (something difficult to do with first timers) and pause to query her on occasion... The "interview" afterwards is also a joke... Again, anyone that knows anything about this stuff knows that she's still "high" from adrenaline etc. so that of course she'd say she loved it etc. Kink would know that.. What better time to interview someone to ensure there's no law suits later... When you take someone inexperienced and put them thru an intense session, it's expected that a respectable "dominant" will provide "after care" to the girl... Not the same day but over the week following the session... It's not until she's home and sees the bruises that start to show up and turn black and blue etc. that the reality of what she's gone thru hits her and she can actually see it on her body... Regardless, I can see how this sort of thing can easily take place and I'm sure there's fault on both sides.

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01-12-2008, 04:14 PM	#122
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01-12-2008, 05:04 PM	#124
wasteland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 697	EDSmontreal hit the nail on the head in so many ways in this post. The community aspect is one of the most critical aspects of bdsm site structure, and working with lifestyle players totally pays off in conversions and retention, with the added bonus of having actresses that are "into it" to avoid surprises when shooting (and, after shooting, as is the case in this thread)! Great set of sites you have there, "north of the border"! Cheers, Colin __________________ Colin Rowntree Skype: rowntree2007 Our Affiliate Program: http://www.spicecash.com Last edited by wasteland; 01-12-2008 at 05:07 PM..

01-12-2008, 05:46 PM	#126
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Nice to have your input here Colin, I have been an affiliate of yours since 2002. I'd like to talk with you, can you shoot me a quick e-mail? [email protected] Thanks man, Socks

01-12-2008, 07:25 PM	#129
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I think the girl is telling the honest truth as she sees and feels it and I think Kink does whatever it can to prevent it - but when you shoot this kind of content with that many models whom they know nothing about before they show up to shoot you're going to get the occassional traumatized model. same thing goes on in the hardcore industry where girls assholes are ripped apart from double anal scenes. at the time of the shoot they are gung ho - they are eager to please, buoyed by adrenaline - it's after, maybe even much after that the post traumatic stress type stuff comes. Also face it, if you're pulling that much of your talent out of the LA hardcore porn pool you are dealing with some pretty messed up girls to begin with. Wasteland says they don't hire talent from outside the lifestyle - this is a big part of the reason - Kink needs so much fresh talent that they have to use the LA agencies and the second reason, - who looks better, the 21 year old girl next door fresh off the bus two weeks ago from Kansas or the 35 year old ugly chick who lives the BDSM lifestyle? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-12-2008, 09:13 PM	#130
joeman1 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 321	I was going to post what the fuck this shits crazy and insane. But, then I spent the time to read on and watch the video and I just laugh at the post now ;)

01-13-2008, 02:51 PM	#133
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	that was my point - Kink's focus on well known porn starlets and newcomers will lead to situations like this happening no matter what safeguards they have in place while BDSM sites where the talent is from within that scene won't often have talent suffering from post traumatic stress type symptoms. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-13-2008, 03:16 PM	#134
wasteland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 697	The only trauma wasteland generally faces is if we run out of coffee on location. LOL __________________ Colin Rowntree Skype: rowntree2007 Our Affiliate Program: http://www.spicecash.com

01-13-2008, 05:52 PM	#136
tuffruff Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Soldier Field, Chicago Posts: 352	In laymens terms for idiots like me...Real converts better than not real because the users that want it KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.. __________________ Wasteland from SPICECASH--Winner of AVN's "Best Fetish Site" two years in a row and the People's Choice Award for "Best BDSM and Fetish Site on the Net". Now featuring original HD movies, blogs, community forums, user generated video content and so much more. Wasteland continues to be the source for "100% Explicit, 100% Real" BDSM & Fetish action. Converting like crazy since 1994.