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If she winds up being the dem canidate... she will suffer a crushing defeat at the hands of a former POW

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TheDoc

McCain is war hungry, he doesn't stand a chance.

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I'd call it a toss-up. Latest polls show McCain would win by about 5% in a head-to-head.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...24.html#charts

Really unpredictable though. You'd have to look at state-by-state projections and then still account for the fact that campaign strategy and other future events, some completely unknown could change the outcome.

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Which one would be worse for the porn industry?

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Really hard to say, McCaine is one of those guys who will always be his own man and most likely will not be intimidated but the religious nuts

Hillary has to be a closet freak in order to have had married Bill

its a toss up

as long as the president isnt Mitt or Mike I think we will be ok



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TheDoc

I guess I shouldn't say he doesn't stand a chance. Hillary has men that don't want a women in power, Obama being black, and the Republicans not having anyone stronger, he might acually win. If he can get the Christians, he has it - but they are wrapped up in someone else right now.

McCain supports war and more war(s), he has flip flopped on immigration issues and pissed a lot of immigrants off. He is old. Not that they don't all have some screwed up issues at some level.

The indis normally swing demi, but I think they will go Rep with Ron Paul and if he isn't around, it's back to Edwards. We will probably see a record number of swing votes, in all directions because of how odd ball this election is. If McCain can get the indi's, with the woman/black haters, he might acually win if they don't go Christian.

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notoldschool

Are you serious? Must be the most idiotic thought I have seen posted on this board. Mccain is a strong proponant for regulating the internet.

MCCAINE IS AGAINS INTERNET FREEDOM.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

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Thank you! GFY is in a world of hurt

TheSenator

A Republican won't be President.

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Quagmire

do the sharp edges on these 'facts' hurt your ass when you pull them out?

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ninavain

Is it me or does anyone notice the AMOUNT of votes on the DEM side compared to the GOP...2 to 1
which means a DEM will win it all, no matter who it is. DEMS are coming out in force and numbers

tony286

good point nina

tony286

I also have to tell you if its only between john and hilary dont know if I would vote for hilary.

madfuck

now tht wud be something i want to c, hahahahaha wht a joke ")

CDSmith

Key question.

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Mutt

if the Democrats can't win this election they should just forget about running candidates for the presidency and concentrate on Congress. losing presidential elections over and over just makes the whole party look weak and pathetic

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Gotta love this silly game where we pretend theres a difference between candidates who are both CFR members.

If you don't understand the dynamics of the CFR and Bilderberg, i'm sure this is a really exciting race.

If you have no clue what i'm talking about, you're part of the majority of America and part of the problem, go do your research, don't be sheep.

CyberHustler

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WarChild

Yes the Dems will win no matter who it is, and anybody but Bush, right?

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Fact: Hussein Obama cannot beat even Mike Huckabee

uno

CFR?

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thought, yes.
hypothesis, maybe.
Fact, NO.

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warlock5

If its Hillary vs McCain, I will vote for Hillary. McCain is a crackpot and wrong about absolutely everything.

cherrylula

my theory is this, if Hillary wins essentially what will occur is not just the first female president, but the first "first man" (?) of the white house.

The first lady does her little cookie baking things and plans parties. If Bill Clinton is the first man to ever take this position in this country's history of politics, do you honestly think his position will be limited to decorating the Xmas trees? This is historic and why I think the Dems are going to pull this one. Bill Clinton will be back in the white house. Lots and lots of political deals in this one. Big time. The Clintons are cashing in all their favors, no doubt.

cherrylula

good choice of word... the crackpot vs. the bearded clam

GatorB

Because they want idiot like Hillary and Obama. EDWARDS could actually win an election. Especially if you have Richardson as VP. But dems are too stupid to see this. Did they actually think they'd win in 2004 with Kerry? Or in 1988 with Dukakis or in 1984 with Mondale?

GatorB

I'll vote for McCain. Serves 2 puposes

A) Clinton won't ever run again, neither will Obama. So maybe in 2012 they'll finally embrace Edwards. If he decides to run.

B) McCain will only serve 1 term. So who do the repubs have that can run in 2012? Jeb Bush?

PornMogul

AGREED 100%. No republican will win. I don't care if its barrack, hillary or john edwards. A democrat will be our next president. Im rooting for a Clinton Obama 2008 ticket.

GatorB

That a ticket guaranteed to lose. Also considering how much hate they are spewing at each other I find it hard for one to choose the other for VP.
The VP nominee with either be Edwards or Richardson.

what is ironic is because trhe dems chos eto punish Michigan for moving up their priamry by taking away all teir delegates ther is basically no democratic primary there. So now indpeendants that would normally vote democrat wil vote repblican and that helps McCain. If McCAin wins Mich he pretty much knocks out Romney. Something wouldn't happen if the dems didn't ake away thier delegates. Thus the dems may be halping McCain win the GOP nomination which in turn will elad to thier defeat in 2008.

Also don't think in Nov the Michigan and Florida dem leaning voters won't forget how the dems denied their vote in the primaries and refused to campaign there. Mich and Florida are kind of important if the dems want to win in Nov. Oh well at least they'll win Iowa and New Hampshire. Dems are really fucking retarded sometimes.

PornMogul

I think mccain is a very weak nominee and I dont think he will ever get elected. I think any dem ticket would beat him. America wants CHANGE and he represents bush lol

Matt 26z

Put down the crackpipe.

Huckabee is so far to the right that independent voters would lean hard towards Obama. Such a matchup would be a slam dunk for Obama.

drjones

Well, you wont have to worry about it... McCain will not win.

When he ran against bush, he blew him away in the NH primaries just like he won by landslide this time. NH just loves McCain. Thats probably the one and only victory he will have in the primaries.

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PornMogul

AGREED, very well said

F-U-Jimmy

Here my for what its worth. Bill Clinton was arguably the most popular president of recent times. From what i've seen and read, Americans had more $$ to spend and the country had a surplus in their balance of payments. He was articulate and well like by most of Europe and much of the rest of the world. He presented a great image to the world at least until the Monika Lewinski episode ( which was really no ones business but his own family ?)
My point is this should not be about who you like or don't like or if they are male or female, black or white. It should IMO be about who can help the USA get back on it feet, who can restore this country to the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. If i could vote it would be for Hilary , with Bill by her side they are a formidable force and the only ones that stand a hope in hell of getting America back to a "TIME BEFORE BUSH" sounds like a film title !!!

But what do i know we had a woman priminister who i didn't vote for because she was a woman and she ended up doing a fantastic job for the UK

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GatorB

spoken like true ignorance

latinasojourn

possibly true.

but his biggest disadvantage is his age (old) which is not likely to capture the youth vote.

my bet look like:

obama with hillary vp

my hope would be obama, edwards vp (which would be a helluva ticket)

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take a clser look


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/us...hp&oref=slogin



agreed

Matt 26z

Obama will be Hillary's VP. All the guy needs is 10 minutes of TV time to deliver a speech that heals all wounds, and supporters on both sides walk away believing he is into it. Hillary can't do that if Obama gets the nomination.

The racist bigot pigs of the south will not vote for either of them, but the fact is that such a ticket does not need to pull Republican voters. They will energize the Democrat base and also grab the majority of independents.

The Republicans are in shambles. There are a half dozen guys who could get the nomination and not one or two or even three of them is a front runner nationally. It is wide open because Republicans can't agree on what they want. That sort of voter fragmentation is going to crush a lot of spirits when their guy is sent packing. I don't see the Republican base coming together and giving full support to the eventual nominee.

GatorB

Hillary would NEVER accept the VP role under anyone. God some of you people are fucking stupid.

Obama=LOSER. Get of fhis black cock already. Even if he wins he loses in 2012. President Jeb Bush anyone? Yuck! Some of you fail to see the forrest for the trees.

GatorB

Do you know how presidential elections work? If they can't win the south they aren't winning anything. The dems need at least one red state to win in 2008 which one is that with Obama/Clinton?

latinasojourn

a valid point and i hope you are correct:

http://hillarynutcracker.com/completelynuts.html


and that gives hope for the power ticket:
obama/edwards or edwards/obama (i'll take it either way)

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Dammit GatorB

Just when we were having an intelligent conversation on a topic here comes the fucktard gatorb throwing his ridiculous rhetoric around

Get a life old man

I mean seriously? every time you bring your ignorance into a thread, the thread is then ruined. You are not capable of intelligent conversation so why do you even involve yourself in our debates

Go kill yourself dude

You are not welcome here

Matt 26z

Kerry came within 5% of Bush in Florida. Seeing as how the Republican nominee is unlikely to be as far right as Bush, this creates the likelihood that a ticket with Obama on it is enough to close the 5% gap since he cancels out a some of Hillary's polarizing effect. And don't forget that Bill Clinton took Florida in 1996.

GatorB

Last time I checked that means he LOST. The loser gets ZERO electoral votes. It doesn't mater how close he is. Also you'd think with all the anger over the 2000 election Kerry would have WON Florida not lose by 300,000 votes.

Clinton took Florida because there was a 3rd party candidate running that took votes from Dole. Dole lost by 6.7% and Perot got 9.12%

Florida has a republican governor. The state legislator is run by republicans most of the representatives in Congress are republican as well as 1 of their 2 Senators.

GatorB

Where is the intelligent conversation. All I see is a bunch of kids who think they now everything that don't know shit.

I post where i god damn well please. You aren't a mod so fuck off. Just because you want to suck Obama cock and don't get how elections work doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.

I see you failed to answer my question which red states does Obama/Hillary win?

GatorB

elections for dummies

Ok Gore won all the states Kerry won except NH and Kerry won all the states Gore won except NM and Iowa. Now let's say that ANY combination of democrats would win all those states excpet for NM, Iowa and NH. That's 248 electoral votes.

Now let's say Hillary/Obama somehow also wins NM, Iowa and NH that's 264. that's still 6 electoral votes shy of winning.

Now we know Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, N Dakota, S Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska are not voting democrat. Some of you here are willing to write off the south too. So that eliminates W Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, N Carolina, S Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas. Also Oklahoma and Texas aren't voting dem either.

Ok so which red state does that leave? Well in the west there's Nevada, Arizona and Colorado. Nevada only has 5 electoral votes so even if they win that state they're still short. And if McCain wins the GOP nomination you can forget any of those 3 states.

So what's left. Indiana, Missouri( 11 ), Ohio( 20 ) and Florida( 27 ). Now Indiana always votes republican so forget that one. Now any one of the other 3 states can win the election provided the dems win NM( 5 ), NH( 4 ) and Iowa( 7 ). If the dems lose Iowa then or if they lose NM and NH, then Missouri won't matter. They'll still be short

If they lose all 3 then Ohio won't matter they'll still be short. So basically the Dems need to win Florida to guarantee the election and that's a pretty big fucking bet to make to hedge the election on ONE fucking state. Common sense would dictate spreading the risk around.

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