steffie

Common problem on this board

If you are a female webmaster and content like me they don't take you serious!

Trust me,, I have been to many many webmaster conventions. Between 96-99 I didn' t even appear on any of my websites. When we went to Shows guys always only talked to my husband. He kept saying "You need to talk to Steffie"

In 1999 I decided to post my boobs on the internet and do what I like doing best "Having sex in public"

Male Webmasters still to this day talk to my husband and think I am just a dumb blonde who doesn't know shit and only like to suck dick.

Face it lady webmasters, men in this business WILL NEVER take us serious as webmistresses, it doesn't matter how many sites, how much money and how bright we are. EXPECIALLY if you also content somewhere on the net.

Why don't we form a Webmistress Alliance and do like some Male Alliances do!!

Now show me your DICKS ,,, so I can give some deragotory (sp?) comment about size, shape and length. And photoshop a hat or a goat over it!

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My sister has a company (Not Adult related). She is all brain and a looker. When they go to Conventions in her field everybody talks to her husband. She got so frustrated last month when they flew to the USA (she is in Germany) that she actually nixed a deal with a company because they wouldn't give her the time of day and constantly talked to her husband. Who has nothing to do with her company.

It's not only in this industry that women are not taking seriously, its in ALL business.

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Yeah I worked at a porn studio once, supervising BEHIND the scenes. I wonder nowdays how I managed to put up with all the harrassment. I was even offered $500 to fuck a tranny once, it was pretty funny. I shrugged it off. Nowdays I don't even like to shop at mexican supermarkets alone because the guys are fucking annoying.

Sometimes I wish I actually was a guy, and be taken more seriously all around. Then again I like being a chick because you can get away with more shit in general.

Deb

Steffie, well I've told you before hon, there's nothing stupid about you. I think you're a very bright business woman.

I do agree with you that women in any industry are just not taken as seriously as the men are, but that is changing...albeit slowly. I'm just glad that my experiences with some of my male counterparts have not been negative or sexist ones.

And count me in for a membership to that Webmistress' Alliance!

pink_in_the_middle

Steffie I don't ever think the world will be what it's suppose to be.
You're right,we don't get treated fairly in anything we do. We always have to prove ourselves. Why? Why the f**k should we have to?

You know what pisses me off the most? Men and women think blondes are dumb..okay now I just have one question here. Please someone help me figure this out..remember I'm blonde. How in god's name does the colour of your hair make you dumb or smart? It's so tiring hearing all these blonde jokes.Find something else to make fun of !!!

I just had to say that (steffie brought it on i swear) lol
Just kidding steff

All I have to say is that we might be in the pron business but we're not all sluts and bimbos. So please treat us with a little respect and dignity.

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Ok I confess. I'm a man.

Julian Kay

I read this thread and I agree with the ladies. They've been kind enough to show their boobs so I'll show my dick.


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Deb

Well Julian, kudos to you for having the guts to post your dick! Nice one too, btw. Now, I know why steffie smiles so much!

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I though it was a thread full of tits since the owner asked...

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SykkBoy

Oh for fuck's sake, who hasn't seen my dick by now....I think everyone has seen enough of my dick and my ass.......


As for the bullshit of "content" and webmistresses being treated unfairly...not sure about the rest of the big swinging dicks, but what I hate is the "I'm a girl, so do something special for me"

I'll be a smart ass to a female just the same as a male...I'm a ballbuster and I don't do the "be nice because she has a vagina" thing...you want to be treated the same, act the same...

Why should I treat a female webmaster differently froma male webmaster? Why should I give special attention to a female as opposed to a male? One of the brightest minds in this business, CJ from Sexhit and Purve, is a player in this business because she's all business, not because she might have a nice set of tits...it's all about how you handle yourself...

if you want to play the "help me, I'm just a girl card" don't bother, but if you want to make the statement of "I'm interested in being a business person, help me" it might perk my ears up a bit more and maybe even get a little more attention....

While it might not seem fair, this is a business that is primarily dominated by men and features a lot of naked women...you can either complain about it all day or actually do something. Is it an easy fight? No. Nothing worthwhile ever is. What's fair and what's reality are often two different things...act like a business person and be treated like one. This goes for guys too. Some cocky prick who's only reason for being in this business is to fuck chicks and snort as much cocaine as he can will be treated like the ass he is, often times behind his back of course....

men are pigs
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titties and beer, titties and beer, titties and beer,
titties and beer

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Sykk, I agree with you 100%! And Professor Rocky, it's nice to see you here hon. Hope things are looking up for you, babe.

Rocky

Hey Professor Deb


Still working on getting my shit together, but i've been getting a lot of help from Brad Mitchell (SinHost).

Kind of feel like i'm being pulled in a million directions right now and i just have to obtain some balance in order to make the right decisions.

How's things with you?

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kinda funny about the whole dick showing thing..

At nina's party in nyc on friday night, after hours of girls getting it on with eachother and all the guys wanting to see tits and ass, Nina yelled out "now you guys pull out your dicks" -- the room fell kinda silent, and then one brave dude pulled his wanker out.. everyone laughed, but then some brave pornstar girl went up to him and sucked him off, or tried to (he couldnt stay erect with all the cameras and people around him, but at least he tried). So does this mean if we whip our cocks out they will be getting sucked? cause if thats the case, ill be whipping it out every chance i get!

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I'm glad to hear that. I don't know Brad personally, but I've read plenty of his posts and he seems like "good people". I'm glad he was able to help ya out.

I can relate to that feeling of being pulled in a million directions. There's so much shit on my plate that it's overflowing. lol

The best advice I can offer you is to just put one foot in front of the other and take baby steps in regards to anything that you need to do. The balance will eventually come, hon. Just don't jump into anything or make any rash decisions and you'll be just fine.

Things with me are the same...insane, but good. I've never been one to complain. I just roll with the punches and keep on groovin'.

Joe Sixpack

Sounds like everyone was ashamed of their tiny little dicks!

FlyingIguana

lol

Tam

No shit..... I so very much agree on every single subject you have hit here, SykkBoy......... I AM a a woman and I despise women who pop their heads into ANY place, Internet Porn or in a Public Place and scream "Help me because I am a woman" it makes me not even want to BE a woman when I see that..... makes me embarrased to be one at the very least........... I don't mean to put anyone down, but if you use this card, then you deserve the disrespect that you get as a result of playing this card.

Yes I have BEEN the content and the webmaster....... for well over my first year in this business, I WAS my own content because I couldn't afford to BUY it, so I used the tools I had at hand. And it was VERY rare that I was ever confronted as the "I just wanna fuck you" thing. I have never been treated with disrespect because I am a woman by anyone who matters in MY business. Those who have treated me in this manner get the same Rude Bitch attitude as I would give to ANYONE who treated me as an inferior.

I have no love for ANYONE who uses a Superior or an Inferior card. If you come at me acting smarter than me because you are a man, then fuck you, if you come at me as a woman and act inferior and helpless because you are a woman, then fuck you too!! I have had this last one happen to me several times because some think I am a man when they first talk to me and don't know me.

REALITY has it, that MOST business people by NATURE are automatically assume the MAN is the head of the house, so to speak........ you can put them in their places WITHOUT doing the "typical woman thing" as people call it and being a bitch.

I am a woman who has been in the porn industry for 3 years and I can't even think of ONE man who has come at me and treated me like I have no brains because I am a woman, if I do dumb shit then I do dumb shit, because I am human, not because I am a woman. And not one has treated me like a slut because I am my own content........... Why? Because I will show you my tits, but I will also damn well let anyone and everyone know that I am NOT available for anything more to you than "you can see my toys, but you can't play with them" . I let EVERYONE know I am happily married and this "content" thing is a part of who I am.

My husband played in Bars for god only knows how long, not ONE girl EVER disrespected him or put him in a position to think they were gonna be able to fuck him because he was "The Band". Why? Because he never disrespected women, AND he never put himself in a place where they thought he was available.

Bottom line is this:
Regardless of what sex you are, if you put yourself in a place and carry yourself in a way where people treat you like that, then shame FIRST of all on you, if they do it even if you are NOT acting the part, then shame on THEM. People are HUMAN, there are pigs in BOTH genders, but those "pigs" are unimportant to you unless you MAKE them important to you.

I am going to my first show in January and I am a woman, but you wanna know what MY biggest fear is? Not about guys wanting to use me as their content, but the NUMBER of people in general that will be there. I am a very small town girl and I have never been in a place like that....... so just the rat race alone scares me more than anything............ ;)

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amber438

That, g/f, is so VERY true..
I worked my way thru network engineering school by doing tech work for www.bigmamas.com. Was run by an older woman from New Jersey at that time. At the time, her partner had just run off with the content, passwords and money..So I helped her rebuild..The men in this biz at that time laughed at us..

Then I became a network engineer..MCSE, CNE..Worked as a civillian engineer for the army in Ft. Monmouth..This little bs here is nothing compared to what I had to go thru..Was the only woman among hundreds!! Talk about discrimination!! You have no clue..Anyway, I survived that..Became the head of info tech for a technical college in Florida..People treated my assistant, a guy, with more respect..
I do this now by choice..I don';t want to work for "the man" anymore..I want to make my own way.. I still do consulting work and do that when I choose for whom I choose..But this is more fun..And I'm learning a hell of a lot about graphics, scripts, etc, etc..!! Something I never got into before..
But yes, the good ol' boy society is here and in all areas..There is nothing we can do about it..

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I couldn't disagree with this more. What you're basically saying here is that all men are disrespectful to female webmasters in this business. In my experience, every sentence that starts with "all men" or "all women" is just plain wrong. Fact is, the only thing "all men" are is, well... men. Other than that, everyone is different.

Having said that, I'll add that I can see where at the big shows it can happen where the business women are disrespected. A large chunk of this business is based on disrespect, thus it attracts a lot of seedy people with ambiguous morals that are looking for a quick buck, so it is only natural that any large function will contain a good percentage of immaturity. I also think that there are likely a lot of good respectful professional webmasters that stay at home and remain in the wings of the business, so you rarely if ever see them at the shows. But they are out there nonetheless.

I can safely say with 100% confidence that if I were to attend one of these shows I wouldn't make assumptions about anyone as to their status in the biz. If I were to meet you Steffie, and your hubby, I would inquire during our conversation what you both do, and that would be that.

My point here really is that not all men are any one thing, but I can absolutely see where it could get frustrating when you have dummies assuming all sorts of things about you at the shows. I know several female web admins that attend these large shows, and they conduct themselves completely in a complete professional manner and are good representatives of their employers at all times. They all say much the same things as Tam said above, and that kind of respect pretty much comes from within. Anyone standing in a room with Tam having no respect for her will soon get the message plain and simple. (or loud and clear, depending)

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i actually read this page now.
and i just have to say, sykkboy2, tam, you guys are very very right.

nothing i can add in my half arsed manner to what you guys have already covered.

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steffie

This was an awesome topic to post by Lensman.

I am not saying that all webmistresses are being disrespected by man, I am saying in general we are not taken as serious as man.

Expecially if we like to party like men.

You said, that women can act professional and they will be respected. UHM> I like to party, like to have sex, like to drink, holler at guys ,,, whenever they let me out of my little cubical I call an office (see my sig)

That doesn't mean I am like that at home or at work he he,,

I have met a lot of webmasters and webmistress and we all like to party and I have yet to meet any who disrespected me (reckon they all think I am a nut case, but thats a different story)

It was a thread about showing your tits as a new webmistress coming on board on GFY. Thats all.

Now ladies, come to NYC for the webmistress party!!

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Oldy

OK. Now show the tits of webmistress.

sumphatpimp

As a webmaster of any experience you should be totally bored by looking at another nude body.

The line ......."show your tits" is very imature, and proves you are not a webmaster but a child playing "dirty stuff". When you get you first "piece" let us know, we will make it a national holiday.

"You don't give it away, you sell it."

What a bunch of pud wackers.

The female webmasters done a good job of deending themselves.

Good for you girls !!

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Lens has a point and actually made me feel bad about myself.

I won't be asking anyone to show me their tits again unless I KNOW that they have previously posted pics of them on the web.

I don't see the harm in asking a pornstar or cam girl to show their tits, but I agree that women who don't consider themselves as CONTENT shouldn't be disrespected like that.

To those women that I have asked on GFY to show their Boobies - I offer a REAL apology and I assure you it won't happen again from me on this board (the only real board I ever spend any time on).

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I like to do all these things too, with the exception of the drinking...... I am not much more than a social drinker at the absolute best. But I don't present myself as being available even then...... I tend to be more like "one of the guys" the type that they raise hell with and such, more than anything else. I have a nasty mouth and at points a nasty attitude so I tend to get along better with the guys than I do the girls........ Above all else I refuse to take help from anyone if I find out they only wanna help me because I am a female, I want them to help me because they are my friends, not because I have big tits........ LOL

The ones that are treating you as a sex object if you aren't presenting yourself in that manor are scumbags......... if they make a pass at you, this is normal, but once you let them know that you aren't available, if they are any kind of a person at all, they will be decent about it.

I tell people all the time, "In addition to my tits, I was also born with a brain".......... LMAO

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Deb

Nah, you with a nasty attitude?!?! Say it ain't true, gf!

'Tis ok though, I love ya anyway, ya rude bitch!

Tam

oh wowwwwwwwww!! I admitted that didn't I? Sheesh!!!!!!! What the hell was I thinking? YIKES!!! I am losing my grip!!

I love ya too girl, thanks for setting me straight on that, God, I can't believe I admitted that in public. I try sooo hard to be nice and sweet. rotfl

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SykkBoy

Oh get over yourself...acting like the proverbial white knight isn't going to put the webmistresses on your side and get you laid....

I think the appeal of webmistress nudity is it's nudity you're "not supposed to see". It's like when an actress you've seen in a lot of movies finally does that first nude scene...or that lady flirting naked on the webcam at anywebcams.com is your neighbor down thwe street...it's that nature of the forbidden....same thing that drives the voyeur niche...seeing something you're not really meant to see......

Is there a level of immaturity to the "show your tits" posts? Sure, but isn't that what GFY is all about? I've defended it many times as a place where we can hang out and be smartasses, let off a little steam and get over our pretentions and let loose.....

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thanks Professor Deb
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i've always been stalking you for your brains Tam

the fact that you also have big tits is just an additional bonus

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for the record, sometimes I mean to type "Shave Your Pits" and make seriously bad typos.....

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Well I knew that silly......... you have always told me that you love me for my mind..... don't you remember that night I caught you outside my window? That's the first thing you said......... "I wanted to get a closer look at your mind, please put your clothes back on"

Sheesh!!

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Wenchy

I have to throw my in here.

I've been in this biz for four years. In that four years I have come to accept the following:

1. It's primarily about women and run by men.
2. All men want to look at naked women.
3. If I, as a female, am going to survive in this biz, I have to develop a thick skin and always keep in mind that it's the testosterone that makes them act the way they do.

Sure, there are circumstances under which I would be horribly angry and insulted if someone were to suggest I "show my tits". However, I acknowledge that *I* don't have to deal with those people if I don't choose to.

Don't get me wrong. I totally agree with the other webmistresses here as far as arguments about women having to fight harder to get whatever respect they earn in all areas of business. I despise the helpless, brainless approach that so many women use to manipulate men... makes things 10 times harder for those of us who do it the honest way, with hard work, brains, and determination.

I'm in this business because I love it, because it enables me to be a full-time mom and home school my son, and because I'm just not a rat-race kind of person. The people that I work for in this industry are my friends and I have their respect and appreciation... and I've had to work hard to get it, which is something I am very proud of. Never once was I asked to show my tits or spread 'em for the boss... because he's a class act and hired me because I'm good at what I do, NOT because I'm a member of the opposing gender.

I too was asked to "show my tits" when I first started posting here, but I laughed it off as a joke (it's in the FAQ, for the love of Pete!) and moved on, figuring it was some initiation rite that females had to go through. I won't show my tits not because I'm unhappy with them or not because I'm shy; I won't show my tits because I'm doing business here, not participating in a strip show. However, my skin is thick enough that I didn't let it get to me and won't stop posting here because of it. Kinda goes along with the territory as far as I'm concerned. I simply ignored those posts, although I did acknowledge a couple that inquired about my gender because that seemed appropriate and reasonable to me. No harm, no foul guys... or girls!

SleazyDream, your apology was very sweet and thoughtful. I, for one, took no offense and feel that an apology wasn't necessary. But, since you took the initiative to put it out there, I will accept it graciously and say Thank You. You're a pretty class act yourself

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hehehe

i remember that encounter and conversation too

and if you recall, i never once averted my eyes from yours

talking to the breasts is so yesterday

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Why do women have to write such long posts???!!?!
I'm fucking exhausted after reading all that......

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Tam

Perfectly said.......... and I couldn't agree more.

Also, to Sleazy... you have asked to see mine, but I took no offense by it and no apology is needed..... you have a right to ask and I have a right to say no if I choose to........ but I agree with Wenchy, you were standup enough to say you were sorry and I believe you sincerely mean it.........

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I thought I would remind everyone of a couple of impotant facts...

1. Men, for the most part, *always* want to see tits.

2. Most of the "women" on this board aren't.

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hahaha go get 'em Nina! That is priceless. I can't wait to see what happens next year.

SleazyDream

That isn't to say I'm not going to be wondering to myself what your tits do look like...........

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Hehe... I've seen you post about this quite a few times. I know the people you're referring to. Would love to hear that story, sounds interesting.

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I have never asked anyone to show their tits. One set of tits is pretty much the same as another set of tits, so what is the big/little deal.

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Tam and CD Good posts.

To be honest I tend to agree with Lensman on the show us your tits thing. I did get even more obscene when a new girl appeared recently but purely because I know her and knew she'd take it as me being the silly twat I usually am - I have no real desire to see anymore tits/ass/pussy as I get to see enough as it is. However, it's easy enough to join the herd when posting the 'show us your tits' thing without sitting back and realising that some (many?) women may be offended by it. This business does corrupt just a little ;)

Other than that both Tam and CD summed it up in two excellent posts. I know far too many women who are far more successful and intelligent than a lot of men to ever assume any are dumb bimbos no matter where I meet them. Whereas I don't for a minute doubt people do make the assumptions it is in no way true that this applies to every male out there.

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