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Lumping all the tube sites in with the likes of youporn etc isn't really fair.
There are a number .. including mine who don't take super long clips and try to remain webmaster friendly. The traffic quality is pretty good .. easily on par with tgp traffic ... and while we don't do millions of hits a day there is profit to be made. BW is huge though, and those with really huge videos and 100% freeloader traffic are going to fail eventually. I seem to remember the same outcry when tgps started replacing picposts. The sky isn't falling, and the downward trend in sales over the past 8 years can't be directly attributed to tube sites. |
Oh well, looks like apathy will win out as usual. I guess we'll see what happens over time...
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They are an annoyance.
I have better things to do than police my content. However, I do it twice a month, and when I find it. They are hit with a C&D. They typically have it removed in 24-48 hours, and they claim to ban the user, or block whatever it is they say they block. I think it's the file names. I find it hard to believe that bigger, pimpin phat, money rolling, Ferrari driving, mansion living companies can't manage to do this a couple of times a month. :disgust |
well in my opinion its true bro but no one want to speak about it
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Tube sites with large clips are teaching surfers that porn is free. Do you know how many times on mainstream discussion boards I've seen variations of "who pays for porn?" ??
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making $ off online porn is a dying thing..
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I'll say it before and I'll say it again? These programs need to start protecting their content.. Where do you think this content is coming from?
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This guy is an asshole:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=796992 |
51 Tube sites stealing your livelihood and you couldn't care less...
Think about trying to create a tube site that functions like TV. You produce porn and then try to sell it with lead in and lead out ads. But what can you find paying advertisers for our product? Our product is the ad... So...? This model cannot work and something will have to be done to those who infringe on our ability to conduct business. |
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Free porn is free porn, for a surfer it doesn't really matter if it's an MGP site or a Tube site. The average guy watches about 2 - 5 mins of porn before he cums. So if he goes to an MGP he watches a few 1 minute clips, and if he goes to a tube site he watches a few minutes of a full length video. So all tube sites do is making it easier for people to watch free porn, but that doesn't mean they won't spend money on porn. For example the surfers from youporn spend $1000s every day on porn. So even though they can get 1000s of free movies, they still spend of money on porn.
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MGPs and TGPs do not provide full length clips, nor do they hide the watermarks of the clips they offer. In fact their real purpose is to redirect traffic to the pay sites, and ultimately increase membership sales. Tube sites do not redirect to membership sites, and since most offer very lengthy clips surfers just stay there, wack off, and call it a day. They do not bother to then go to a pay site afterwards. That doesn't even make sense. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? Some people will argue that MGPs and TGPs are free porn, but most will agree that they are traffic builders for pay sites more than they are free porn sites, very unlike the tubes (legal content or otherwise). Some people will state that you can find free porn via file-sharing sites, password-sharing forums, etc. and although that is also true, those methods take time, and a bit of research, etc. These new tube sites take all of the effort out of locating free porn, therefore simplifying, and greatly expanding the availability of free porn, therefore cutting into the revenue of porn-for-pay. It is really quite clear. If you want to make money in the adult biz you have to see the harm the tube sites present. No surprises. Tube sites absolutely do more harm than good. Ask yourself this question: How do the tube sites HELP the adult industry? If you can't answer that, then guess what?.... |
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Take a look at traffic of the 10 biggest free porn sites that were available 2 years ago, and take a look at the traffic of the 10 biggest free porn sites now. Probably 100x more people are looking at free online porn now compared to 2 years ago, so there is 100x more people that are potential customers. |
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The tube site phenomenon is taking over. Whatever traffic builder sites you can reference from 2 years ago are no longer gaining in popularity - they are losing traffic. The free porn sites that are gaining in popularity are the tube sites, like wild fire. Each one grows like a weed, and the free porn just keeps coming. How will the tube sites compete with each other you ask? Easy, by giving out longer and faster free porn clips. The result will be the demise of the subscriber based business model. In fact strike that - the result will be the demise of the pay-for-porn business model in general, regradless of the framework. Free porn = valueless porn. Let me know if you ever start your own savings bank. I would like to be first in line. I suggest you give out lots of free money to bring in customers, which will in turn help build your successfull business. |
I'm going to go out on a whim and say that the problem is...
Having to pay a subscription per month to get legal porn. In my mind, having been raised within the "technological age", I'm of the mindset that I should pay per product, and not pay a monthly outgoing, which I may not always be able to afford (look at the record number of people finding themselves in debt for overspending) or get full usage out of - so why should I pay $30 a month when I'm only really interested in one or two of your videos? Yes - I know - somebody is going to run in an say "But, Mister! You can get PPV videos now too!". Indeed you can - but ironically most PPV sites I've seen whose marketing seems to support my argument ("Pay per clip instead of monthly", "Pay for what you use" etc.) actually want you to take out a subscription to do this, or prefund your account with some ludicrous amount when all you want to do is login and pay (we've got plenty of non-adult exclusive payment methods available - Credit cards, Debit cards, Pre-paid cards etc.). Think of it this way; before "pay as you go" mobiles, the mobile industry wasn't all that popular - teenagers weren't old enough to be able to pass a credit check for a phone and the tariffs were ridiculously high. Then, some bright spark had the idea of allowing people to "top up" their phones as an alternative to needing a contract, and suddenly the marketed exploded to such a state where every kid and their dog has a mobile phone, making massive revenues for operators who now actually have to subsidise the handsets in order to attract people to their contract offerings, such is the popularity of the pay as you go scheme. So there you go - disagree, or more likely, ignore this post as you want/will/give a fuck, but I really think that some of you need to look outside your front doors at the economy we have today. Sure, in the old days when people barely knew what an "interweb" was, or a "modummmmm" they were all too willing to get out a credit card and subscribe to any old site because it seemed like value for money - "As much porn as I like for the price of one VHS porno movie? I like those odds!" - but now, with DVDs becoming cheaper, and a wealth of alternative distribution channels available, people aren't going to see the benefit of paying on a monthly basis when they might not be interested in your content next month, or even be able to afford the $30 fee; but I'm willing to bet they'd be more than happy to pay you $0.99-$3 for a movie instead, and I'd bet before they knew where they were, they'd have spent $30-40 on movies anyway. Let me give you a closing thought; as a consumer, do you go to iTunes and pay $0.79 per song, or do you go to Napster and get locked in to paying $20 per month for at least 6 months? |
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Not everyone shares your monetary situation or your perception of what is a good value. To the big breasts guys that wanna watch titties all day long, a $30 montly subscription to Scoreland is better than paying $0.10 per minute at Scoreondemand. For the guys that come once in a while, the 0.10 per minute is the bigger deal. |
Hmmm so much misinformation in this thread. The blind leading the blind.
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The point I am making is that the tube sites will ultimately trump all varieties of pay-for-porn.... subscriber based, pay-per-view, etc. When porn is free it is irrelevant how you try to sell it, no one will be buying it. |
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I find it very very strange that the big programs doesn't hire a big ass laywer to stop these sites... they're hosting the videos themselfs, so it's not like its hard to proof whats going on..
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some money is being made by some tube sites at the moment, but realize that that is going to shrink through 2008 in a big way as things progress
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Redtube ad prices:
http://www.etology.com/buying-space-...8833&EID=51331 Avg. Impressions: 21,507,426. Damn |
they probably cut deals
I like the blurb from them: "Description of site: Welcome to the new YouTube of Porn! RedT ube blows away the adult competition by featuring the hottest sex scenes and mov ies, all for free!" |
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Like I said before... those tube sites are way too low resolution for somebody like me to get off to.... My point is the types of people willing to pay for porn think like I DO.... those small video's even if they are long are not good enough! DVD quality and above is where its at.... |
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The problem the stolen content on them but I am not sure if the sponsors and content owners care to much about it being spread around for free or have the time or money go issuing a dcma then follow up and keep checking.
I am willing to throw a couple of guys I work with into the pot that have some time to start policing these tube sites but I doubt there will be enough interest to make it worthwhile |
It does threaten some business models in the adult industry but if you know business history, markets are constantly evolving. We as an industry must think from the customer's perspective and learn how to make them happy while still making money. Those who don't will die off. We can bitch and moan all we want but ask yourself does that help us out at all? See the world for what it is and you have a much better chance of responding to it. Otherwise you are working blind.
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Truth is, the industry is moving so fast, we can't even keep up. TGP2, AVS.. whats next TGP/MPG? - Tube sites have only just started. Expect to see more tube sites soon. Some will use stolen content and they will find themselves in big trouble. Others will use sponsors promo content to make the surfer understand that while samples are free, their not going to get full length high-quality movies for free.
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Anyone noticing less sales or conversions?
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Who is to blaim?... Well, I know for a fact that the trojan guys are stealing more sales than anyone in here would ever imagine... Let me repeat myself... The trojan guys installing those video codec trojans are the biggest affiliates in the adult industry - that's how many sales they're stealing... |
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Hey guys, guess who their competition is? At this point there are only a few dozen of these tube sites, in 6 months there will be hundreds - unless a plan is implemented to stop them. I know it sounds like I am chicken little, and the sky is falling, but the sales you are getting today are from surfers who have not yet run across these free tube sites. Once the word spreads you will see pay-for-porn profits decrease. You can bank on it! STOP THE TUBES! |
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