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Too late. All the big TGP owners are finally catching on and starting up their own tube sites. Either evolve or die. It's that simple.
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Its true. The big tgp players are starting to get into the Tube game and their loving it. Check sig for why. :)
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Just a few random thoughts and this is a generalisation and there are sites that are the exception. So this is just my general impression and thoughts. Downside. You make your bed you lie in it. From day 1 it has always been content in front of traffic, so some of the content the surfer was paying for simply was not worth what he was paying. The industry spends as much as 50% of it's turn over in traffic and maybe as little as 10% in what the surfer is buying. Many had little to no qualms of ripping off the surfer to pay the affiliates or themselves. Rip off a surfer and he deserved it, rip off an affiliate and you're scum. The average porn consumer needs 20 minutes, not 30 days. If he really needed 30 days, Tube sites would grind to a halt. Few sell what the consumer needs. I have yet to see anything go beyond threads on boards. If you want to win a fight you have to start throwing punches. Very few will. I watched the reaction to Acacia and saw people support sponsors who signed up and still support them. While others spend money in court to keep those ass holes at bay. Upside. (I'm not sure of my facts so please be kind.) If Tube sites cater to those who do not pay for porn then they have to pay for dating and cam sites. Eventually the new surfers to buy these will slow down to a level that the advertisers will realise they are over paying for traffic. without the other avenues to support them they will cut advertising budgets. However the Tube sites will grow in surfers, more surfers buying less dating and cam sites will make them more costly and less profitable. With the Internet at the point that it's slowing down because of the "free porn" I don't expect hosting to get cheaper and pay sites help support the infra structure. As I said I might be wrong there. Only the Tube sites know. Unless big companies come in with big bucks to fund advertising. Or people will sign up to paysites from Tube sites. I suspect the Adult Net will change a lot over the coming years. Traffic might be king, but not if it's so expensive the surfer will not pay the bill. Hosting is 10-20 cents a GB, I'm thinking good servers and all the other costs. A good quality scene is 400-600 GB. So a movie off a good server is costing 4 to 12 cents. Will the surfer spend 25 to 50 cents to view that scene? The prices are to illustrate the point I'm trying to make so be kind. If affiliates insist we pay out $30 a join then the members have to pay for it. Will they with Tube sites? Will the surfer pay $1 for 4 good scenes in a niche/style all to their liking on a fast server and good quality? If the answer is no, we are fucked because other than threads on boards I see little movement to stop the people stealing our surfers. Before you flame me see this www.removeyourcontent.com if you know of a better option tell me and I will sign up. As I said just some thoughts. So no flaming but I welcome constructive critisism. I'm not a wise as I make out. ;) |
I was not talking about Tube sites with sample clips on.
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good thoughts Paul
I think the bottom line we have to remember, is that no matter what the business model, the money has to come from somewhere in the first place, and in this industry it is from surfers credit cards. dating and cams are really limited, the more the internet matures and the surfers get jaded, dating will only go so far, and cams are the same... some do well with it now, but there are not enough people that are interested in pulling out a credit card to pay for a cam service when they are just looking for a 15 minute video that they can now get for free the incoming money to the industry is slowing drastically and the surfer that is willing to pull out a credit card and spend into it are declining and will decline even further as the free porn model gets more and more prevalent... those that are "adapting" as people like to say are just going to help speed up that decline |
I was not talking about Tube sites with sample clips on.
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So why are they not suing these guys for theft? Are they getting sales off the movies? Are they getting a kick back off Redtube? Do they own Redtube? Are affiliates pulling away from Nasty Dollars because of the lack of sales? Just me thinking aloud, because if you read some of the posts here ND should have the lawyers in full swing by now. |
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For those of you who say the tubes with licensed content are okay, or the tubes with promo clips like MGPs are okay, are also mistaken. The tube sites will compete with each other. The way for one tube site to beat out another will be to offer LONGER FREE CLIPS and provide this FREE PORN faster than the competition. Surfers will not go to Joe's free tube site full of 30 second promo clips once the find out about the tube sites that offer longer clips, and often full free scenes. These sites will eat up the pay-for-porn models, and then devour each other. Anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming. STOP THE TUBES! |
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And before anyone jumps in and scream my site does not convert it has been doing 1-300 approx recently. Including Tube traffic. |
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It worked before Tube sites, IMHO, it will not work the same in the future. |
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The biggest moaners are the ones who demanded free content, free hosting, free RSS before they would promote a site and demanded a big slice of the cake forcing the prices up. How do you spell IRONIC? |
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As far as lawsuits go, I don't have any good answers, but the legal teams probably cost a pretty penny, the theft is rampant, the government can't even deal with the theft of mainstream content, so they are not going to go to bat for the porn industry, and at first the overpaid lawyers will probably just sent out C&D letters anyway. How do you frame a lawsuit against the mystery company operating out of the Netherlands or wherever? An international law suit, based upon a speculative amount of profit loss? By the end of the process the lawyers will be the only ones that make money from lawsuits as far as I can imagine. |
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The governing factor will be the cost of the Tube site v the ROI. If you can't turn a profit then you go out of business. If you make a profit you stay in business. Even Zorgmans option of the sponsor hosting has a cost, if it replaces the cost of the affiliate and makes a profit thats a business evolving. If it does not make a profit the sponsor pulls the clips. Sites stealing content have to host everything themselves. Even more costs on a poor return. As for the industry standing up to protect itself. Dream on. Look in your drive way at the make of car you drive and the size of car. I'm thinking you're an American. Forgive me if I'm wrong and read this as an example. Then take off your shirt and pants and look at where they were made. We buy the best product at the best price we can find and think of TODAY and never tomorrow. Affiliates will not spend money or divert traffic to companies screwing them and sponsors will go where next weeks buck is. Sorry if the truth is a bitter pill, but these threads have been done again and again and I see nothing much else happening. |
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if i wanted to jerk off 2 years ago i had to take out some sort of membership. now why the hell would i do that when there is so much variety available free. infact i dont have to even download the clips any more, just watch on screen and clean myself after that no messy credit card chargebacks to take care of no recurring memberships and no $$$$ either my internet connection pays for everything i need so far as porn is concerned |
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and can somebody please explain what the hell happened to 2257 regulations?
why they are not applicable to tube sites? of late every tom dick harry and their dog(s) have started tube sites as they cost less than 50 bucks to start. They make their pennies everyday while industry is about to die off |
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but with due respect sir, that is NOT beacuse tube sites are such a big help :321GFY |
So if your making 18% more sales, why did you say the industry is about to die off. I don't understand your logic. Please explaine.
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Rui, I can only asume if he's making more money then business is good. How can it about to die off?
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For about a decade we have run the industry to suit us and not the consumer. We could do it while there was no alternative. Now people have seen the gap in our marketing and exploiting it. If you ignore the consumers needs don't be surprised if you lose him. I wonder what the profit is in giving surfers access to the paysite for $1 a day. They pay there dollar and get a day, if they like it they come back when it suits them, if they don't like it they won't come back. There would be a limit on downloading, but in truth few download a lot. They're too busy jerking off. |
Actually I have to say this has been one fo the most interesting threads I have read thus far and it certainly raises some pertinent questions. I will admit that as small as my business is in comparison to some of you big guns out there....I have noticed a shift in the money. Tube sites have both benefited me and hurt me...very hard for me to tell whether or not I am in an advantageous position because of the fact that they exist and yes they are successful. I will say that as a business owner, regardless of the business you run, you will always be faced with the fact that it is your responsibility to always be evolving in an everchanging society...it doesn't matter what you sell. Year after year, you will always need to change something. The object of the game is to see if you can recreate yourself over and over to stay ahead of the game or do you let change swallow you whole.
After Tube sites will be another reason that money will move in a different circle...can we as professionals handle the change, adapt and perhaps swing it in our favour? Hence the cycle continues.... Cleopatra of the Nile |
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of course it hurts the online porn industry. What can we do??? That is the million dollar question.
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8000 SITES running tgp/mpg sites with over 70,000,000 clicks each day. around 10 to 20 Tube sites running with around 1,000,000 people per day. If anything is hurting the industry its the number of tgp/mpg sites. Tube sites are still very new and have a extremely low percentage of the porn market. BTW - Im not saying TGPS are bad just because a few have trojans/zango added on them. Just like im not saying TUBE sites are bad because a few give away more then they should. |
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What WILL we do is the million dollar question. The $1 answer is, put a thread on GFY. :1orglaugh |
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Just because he made more doesn't mean things are good, just that he bust his ass, worked harder and smarter. :winkwink: You cant just look at the "final score" and ignore how it was achieved and how much it means compared to previous "wins"... Just my :2 cents: |
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Thanks, guessing You saw the point I was trying to make, haven't seen anyone bring any argument for or against it. If things would pan out the way I'm thinking, there can't be any complaining really. The point was that we have always had an amount of freeloaders in our traffic, diluting the traffic quality and thus worsening our ratios... If Tubes come along and attract *that* specific "clientele", *our* ratios will improve - yet with pretty much the same amount of joins! (Of course; not that there's any significant win in that, now that bandwidth cost isn't much of an issue anymore for those of us who push "light" media, like pictures + occasional movies). Basically, I'm fairly convinced most joins nowadays come from people who won't join the freeloader group, for more reasons than the one. Quote:
I agree with You and Paul Markham a lot here. One step the industry could take to keep things going smoothly for everyone, from big programs to smaller affiliates, could be to gradually lower the price for site memberships ALONG WITH membership length. 2 weeks access for $15-20, 1 week access for $10 and keep 1-3 days access at around $5. I'm sure many affiliates thinks this sounds ridiculous, or dangerous.. and will until they see their amount of joins increase instead! :2 cents: |
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