Did Webmasters get Screwed by Larry Flynt? - GoFuckYourself.com

Ken · 09-28-2002, 12:57 PM

Here's the debate.....

FlyntDigital.com uses text in our promotions to webmasters that say "Larry Flynt Signs These Checks".

In reality, we had Larry's original signature digitized as it would be impossible for Larry to sign thousands of checks one by one.

SleazyDream thinks that we ripped people off because there was a "perceived" value in that some webmasters apparently thought that there was going to be an original signature by Larry on their checks (although we didn't get any complaints about this to my knowledge, except from SleazyDream)

I don't think we ripped anyone off, nor do I think this is false marketing (the bank excepts the digital signature, so it's as good as a hand written signature)

What does everyone else think?

Fletch XXX · 09-28-2002, 01:02 PM

Pipecrew · 09-28-2002, 01:04 PM

is this a cheezy attempt to spam your program?

Wizzo · 09-28-2002, 01:05 PM

I think if it wasn't for Larry Flint, most of people here wouldn't have a job...

Theo · 09-28-2002, 01:05 PM

The truth is that I was expecting a real signature on my 1st check. When I received it, I realised how much pain in the ass would be for Larry Flynt to sign 5000 checks of $20-40 value for the tgp webmasters

CDSmith · 09-28-2002, 01:06 PM

Sure, a guy who got a $20 cheque from Flynt Digital and had big plans to sell it as a collector's item someday might cry ripoff. An authentic Larrysig might be worth something to someone out there......

so I voted "who fucking cares."

GTS Mark · 09-28-2002, 01:09 PM

Realistically I think Larry has better things to do with his time than sign cheques that for the most part are less than $1000 a month for 1000+ people.

DH

Ken · 09-28-2002, 01:10 PM

Pipecrew - nope.... it's a cheesy attempt to settle a dispute.

I told SleazyDream that I'd give him 5k if he could find anyone that we had ever ripped off. This is what he came back with....that we ripped off webmasters because Larry's original sig wasn't on our checks. I think it's insane....but hey, what do I know. If everyone actually feels they got ripped off...then I'll pay up!

I told him we'd do a poll and if he won....I'd send 5k to his favorite charity (his idea). Worst case is that a good charity gets 5k.

So.....here we are

Just to make sure people don't vote for him JUST because the money is going to charity....we're gonna donate 5k to charity either way

Krome · 09-28-2002, 01:15 PM

Fuck does flynt digital screw people...I made $1k for 30 minutes work...easy

Mr.Fiction · 09-28-2002, 01:17 PM

Larry Flynt is the fucking man. If he screws you, you should feel honored.

Go Larry!

CDSmith · 09-28-2002, 01:23 PM

Sleazydream has just named me as his favorite charity :D

Meloman · 09-28-2002, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken

Just to make sure people don't vote for him JUST because the money is going to charity....we're gonna donate 5k to charity either way

Wow, that's really cool of you

PxG · 09-28-2002, 02:33 PM

i'm on Ken's side on this one, to think this is a rip-off is stupid, because its Flynts sig (whether digital or not).....there is no way you could make a legal case against this advertising technique.
...his name is on the check no??

BTW, when I first read it and saw, LF signs these checks,' I thought to myself they're using his name to market a product, so he's probably behind this some how....not that he sits around signing 15 dolar checks all day long. I knew they would use a digital sig., ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY..........not misleading at ALL! I think its fair to say he has more important things to do....Like loose all his $$ in Vegas

BUT who the Fuck cares...that's my vote.

PxG

Fletch XXX · 09-28-2002, 02:35 PM

I never thought he would actually SIGn the checks.

I took it as a "backing" since I recall lots of discussion of "bad checks" on the boards round that time. Could be wrong.

But thats how I took it.

Assurance, not trickery.

Jon · 09-28-2002, 02:42 PM

I honestly wouldnt doubt that sleazydream is making new accounts on this board just to sign up and vote for himself to snag the $5k...

About this whole debate, it's just plain stupid. Grow up sleazy.

sherie · 09-28-2002, 02:43 PM

Hand written or not it is still his sig. Besides the promo didn't read 'get larry flynt's autograph'

Who gives a fuck <---- my vote

KC · 09-28-2002, 02:47 PM

Was it a rip off? No.

Were there damages? No.

Was it a misunderstanding for some people? I guess so.

Could a reasonable person expect Larry Flynt to personally sign thousands of checks by hand every 2 weeks? Of course Not.

If someone says Larry Flynt publishes Hustler, does that mean he has to personally print and bind every one in order to be true?

Clearly that was a weak attempt by SleazyDream to piss with Ken.

-KC

KC · 09-28-2002, 02:50 PM

The "Who gives a fuck" option really skews the results. All of those should be lumped into "Sleazy is insane"

I would make a yes/no poll that says..

"Were webmasters ripped off by Hustler, when their checks weren't hand signed by Larry Flynt"

Then you'd see the landslide of webmasters that didn't feel they were Ripped off.

Mr.Fiction · 09-28-2002, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC

If someone says Larry Flynt publishes Hustler, does that mean he has to personally print and bind every one in order to be true?

What are you trying to tell us? He doesn't? Don't tell me I'm going to have to cancel my subscription to Hustler.

BradShaw · 09-28-2002, 02:57 PM

I would rather have Ken sign my checks then larry!

E-Randy · 09-28-2002, 02:58 PM

These guys have been in business for a long time and they've been providing quality services to webmasters. In my six years in the industry, I've never heard a single complaint about them. IMO they are one of the most professional adult companies. Sure it's impossible to get a hold of anyone there when you want them to buy your content, but it's all good

About the contest Ken, If you're going to have designers attempt to design such a large project, you should have them do a small mockup and then decide which one would win the contract. No designer in their right mind is going to spend 40hrs on design work that they might not even get paid for. I'm not defending sleazydream, but I think this is what he was trying to say, it just came out all wrong. It appears everything just got taken out of it's original context.

LUCL0NELY · 09-28-2002, 03:50 PM

I always support my man SleazyDream .

P.s Sleazy, email me , I have something to tell u

Ken · 09-28-2002, 07:07 PM

Fletchxxx/PxG....your both right. Normal checks that go out from LFP do not normally get signed by Larry (they are signed by his CFO and President) so we thought it would be cool if our checks had his sig on them....both as a novelty and because technology allowed us to do so. I still think it's pretty cool!

Thanks E-Randy!

Brad - If you start sending us boatloads of traffic, I'll not only sign the checks but I'll hand deliver them to your doorstep!

pimpdog3 · 09-28-2002, 08:19 PM

I thought larry flynt was retarded..no?

How can you expect someone of his nature at the present time to put that much emotional effort into scribbling a signature?

Id rather have a person with some stable train of thought signing my checks. lol

PD4L

FreeXXX · 09-28-2002, 08:29 PM

Who is Larry Flynt?

SleazyDream · 09-28-2002, 09:17 PM

Ken,
I never said Larry Flynt ripped off webmasters for any money. My point was that stating "Larry Flynt signs the checks" is deceiving and when someone gets a digital print check they may feel ripped off that it wasn't Larry's actual signature when your company stats "Larry FLynt signs the checks".

Actually Ken, your words on the bet were - and I quote -
"How about this.....you find one person who we have EVER ripped off in the 5 years we've been in business....and I'll give YOU $5,000."

Judging from this post it seems several people DID in fact feel ripped off - but the arrogance of you and your company seems to think it's ok now to change the rules and make it a MAJORITY DECISION - interesting as always that I see a lot of people on your payroll posting to this thread.

Donating the money to a charity was MY idea, not yours. According to what you origionally said the money would be mine - to do with as I wish. It's my wish to donate it to a specific charity in the town where I live. I'm more than fine with you sending the money directly to THAT charity though.
It's a legally registered non-profit organization with charity tax status called RiverDale Place homes for the mentally handicapped. It has about 15 clients and about 35 staff members. Personally I donate a lot of money to them every year, but every penny counts and $5000 would REALLY help to improve the standard of living of the handicapped clients that live there. If you send it I'll even get you a picture of a few of the clients with a sign that says "thank you for the $5000 cashquest"

by the way - I personally voted that I was crazy.

I was a little disinheartened that you made the poll sound like it was about money. My point wasn't about money - it was about feeling ripped off - which some people felt they were.

If you do Have this reputation that all your staff and clients say you have, I'll expect you to send Riverdale Place Homes in Arborg Manitoba Canada a check for $5000. Anything less would be a cop out and not holding to your word at this point.

Do that and I'll make a PUBLIC statement on GFY in your favor Stating that I was INDEED WRONG about EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT YOU -----AND I'll post a Pic of myself EATING my Sleazydream Hat holding a copy of a hustler magazine. I won't twist the post to sound in my favor either, like you did with this one. You will be impressed with it.

You can either mail them a check, wire the money (email me and I'll send you their mailing address or wire info) or I can have riverdale set up a paypal account.

That is of course if you're man enough to stick to your word.

titmowse · 09-28-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpdog3
I thought larry flynt was retarded..no?

How can you expect someone of his nature at the present time to put that much emotional effort into scribbling a signature?

Id rather have a person with some stable train of thought signing my checks. lol

PD4L

Mr Flynt suffers from nerve damage due to a gunshot wound. The damage affects his speech and has rendered him a paraplegic. If you're going to insult someone, do it right. He's a cripple, not a retard.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2002, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse

Mr Flynt suffers from nerve damage due to a gunshot wound. The damage affects his speech and has rendered him a paraplegic. If you're going to insult someone, do it right. He's a cripple, not a retard.

and he's a hero

pimpdog3 · 09-28-2002, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse

Mr Flynt suffers from nerve damage due to a gunshot wound. The damage affects his speech and has rendered him a paraplegic. If you're going to insult someone, do it right. He's a cripple, not a retard.

lol, im quite aware of how he was injured and what is wrong with him. I was being saracastic, and if you take it personal too bad . lol

Ken · 09-28-2002, 09:46 PM

SleazyDream - You really ARE insane. You should read my post again because it seems like you have some sort of reading disorder.....

1. I clearly stated in my initial post on this thread that it was about "perceived value"...not about actual cash. I understand your point and I think I stated it properly.....

2. I came up with the idea of a poll yesterday and you said that that was fine by you as a fair way to resolve this dispute.

3. You came up with the idea for the charity (which I gave you credit for above) if you won.

4. Only 1 of my staff members posted on this thread and all he said was that it was cool that a charity is gonna get money either way. Where did you get the idea that a "lot" of my staff members were posting?

5. Just because you and a couple other people "feel" ripped off, does not make it so. Obviously, the vast majority of people don't see it that way. It's a matter of opinion, not a fact.

6. I said I would give 5k to charity, regardless of how this poll ended up. We also make it a habit to give a lot of money to charity so it seems that we at least have that in common. So.... I expect to see that pic of you eating your hat and maybe....just maybe I'll get you an autographed Hustler magazine for the picture!

and yes....Larry Flynt is FAR from retarded. He's actually very smart and still outwits most people he comes in contact with....especially in poker

titmowse · 09-28-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpdog3

lol, im quite aware of how he was injured and what is wrong with him. I was being saracastic, and if you take it personal too bad . lol

I have no personal investment in your comment other than to point out it's inaccuracy. Affixing an "lol" at the end of such a statement translates that you are laughing. If you wish others to understand your are being sarcastic, perhaps you should try an emoticon like this:

SleazyDream · 09-28-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken
SleazyDream - You really ARE insane. You should read my post again because it seems like you have some sort of reading disorder.....

1. I clearly stated in my initial post on this thread that it was about "perceived value"...not about actual cash. I understand your point and I think I stated it properly.....

2. I came up with the idea of a poll yesterday and you said that that was fine by you as a fair way to resolve this dispute.

3. You came up with the idea for the charity (which I gave you credit for above) if you won.

4. Only 1 of my staff members posted on this thread and all he said was that it was cool that a charity is gonna get money either way. Where did you get the idea that a "lot" of my staff members were posting?

5. Just because you and a couple other people "feel" ripped off, does not make it so. Obviously, the vast majority of people don't see it that way. It's a matter of opinion, not a fact.

6. I said I would give 5k to charity, regardless of how this poll ended up. We also make it a habit to give a lot of money to charity so it seems that we at least have that in common. So.... I expect to see that pic of you eating your hat and maybe....just maybe I'll get you an autographed Hustler magazine for the picture!

and yes....Larry Flynt is FAR from retarded. He's actually very smart and still outwits most people he comes in contact with....especially in poker

I'll respond to the numbered points according below:

1. true. you stated that - but if you just read the poll and vote before reading your post you don't get that impression.

2. I thought the purpose of the poll was to see if anyone did feel ripped off by the sig thing - and clearly some people felt ripped off by it.

3. my mistake

4. really no way to prove this on the poll resusts - one way or the other so it's kinda a mute point.

5. I never said the majority of people were ripped off - you said find ONE person who was ripped of - and I found a few.

6. That would be VERY cool.

I told you I voted I was crazy. duuuuuuu

But I'm good to my word - $5000 to Riverdale Place homes and I'lll post the pic of me eating my SleazyDream hat.

pimpdog3 · 09-28-2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse

I have no personal investment in your comment other than to point out it's inaccuracy. Affixing an "lol" at the end of such a statement translates that you are laughing. If you wish others to understand your are being sarcastic, perhaps you should try an emoticon like this:

ok your right, i appoligize for my lack of clarity on this issue. It wont happen again

Paul Markham · 09-29-2002, 10:25 AM

This is old news.

I thought I pointed out nine months ago that I knew who signed the checks at Huster, a computer. I'm still being ribbed about it.

I don't think it was done in a effort to mislead, more an effort to increase impact on the banner.

Neither do I think Sleazy was trying to imply a financial rip off, just a disappoinment in not getting a signed check from LF himself.

Amputate Your Head · 09-29-2002, 10:45 AM

stick to your guns Sleazy....

1. People shouldn't make stupid bets in the heat of the moment while they're sticking their chest out for their friends to see how cool they are, because someone will undoubtedly take you up on it and call the bluff.

2. They should be man enough to honor their words if #1 was disregarded instead of lapdancing around the issue looking for loopholes after the fact.

from the looks of the poll, I'd say there is certainly more than one person who feels they were ripped. And from what I understand, that was the deal.... not the majority.... ONE.

letshunt · 09-29-2002, 11:12 AM

hehehehe

All I care about is whether they can be cashed...you guys have too much time on your hands.

PornoDoggy · 09-29-2002, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by letshunt
hehehehe

All I care about is whether they can be cashed...you guys have too much time on your hands.

I agree. However, you may want to donate that $5K to the "Get A Clue" foundation ... folks upset about the lack of a physical signature on a negotiable check could benefit from their help.
:D

Ken · 09-29-2002, 11:20 AM

Amp - You're as delusional as SleazyBear. How did you ever get the idea that I'm trying to look for a loop hole????

I said I would give the 5k to charity either way, without anyone asking me to and after the poll results were clearly in my favor. If I was trying to find a loop hole, there were plenty of opportunities to do so......

I'm not trying to get out of anything and I didn't make a bet to impress anyone. I was making a point that we are not in the business of ripping people off....

If I wanted to find a loophole I would have said that when I made the bet I was talking about financially ripping someone off....not some bullshit about perceived value that is purely based on opinion and not fact. I made the bet long before SleazyDream said anything about the Flynt isssue. I was referring to his assumption that we were trying to rip people off with our design contest.

But I didn't try to find a loop hole....instead I went along with the ridiculous notion that we ripped someone off somehow and I haven't once tried to back out of my obligation to send 5k to charity. In fact....I made it so that I would have to do it either way.

I still disagree that we ripped anyone off 100% ....but that doesn't change the fact that on Monday we'll Fedex a check to that charity for 5k. I don't have to agree with SleazyDream......but I will honor my word.

No loop holes....no bullshit.....not like some of you guys who like to twist things around and try to interpret everything into the worst possible scenario or assume that everyone is a rip off artist or that everyone is full of shit.

Brad Mitchell · 09-29-2002, 11:40 AM

This whole conversation is fucking stupid. Get back to work everyone!

Flynt is a hero. Sleazy is insane. The ad campaign wasn't intentionally deceiving but I know that even I wondered when I saw it. Otherwise, if you ask me it's enough that his signature is stamped or digitized on the checks... that's still pretty cool.

Brad

SleazyDream · 09-29-2002, 11:44 AM

Ok Ken, the check should be made out to

"RiverDale Place Homes"

332 Ingolfs St. Box 968
Arborg, Manitoba R0C 0A0
Canada

They can even issue you a tax receipt if you like. (I'm not sure if the USA and Canada have registered charity tax agreements but they may and if so you might as well get the tax credit, worth a shot anyway)

I'll tell them to expect it, and once it arrives I'll uphold my end of the bargain. I'll post pics of me eating my SleazyDream Hat and I'll get you pics of some of the clients of Riverdale holding up a sign that says "Thank you Cash Quest"

SleazyDream · 09-29-2002, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken

.....not like some of you guys who like to twist things around and try to interpret everything into the worst possible scenario or assume that everyone is a rip off artist or that everyone is full of shit.

welcome to GFY

PeekHoles · 09-29-2002, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
Hand written or not it is still his sig. Besides the promo didn't read 'get larry flynt's autograph'

Who gives a fuck <---- my vote

Exactly

Amputate Your Head · 09-29-2002, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
Hand written or not it is still his sig. Besides the promo didn't read 'get larry flynt's autograph'

Who gives a fuck <---- my vote

I agree, and that was my vote as well since I have no experience with Flynt or Cash Quest and couldn't care less about his signature.... but it's still beside the point. The point was whether or not Sleazy could find someone else that FELT they were ripped.... he did.

Fletch XXX · 09-29-2002, 12:19 PM

"Ripped off" doesnt mean bummed out about not having another mans sig.

Id say people with "Voted #1 by webmasters" on their banners should be questioned as well, those walk by without disturbance.

In addition: people make claims on banners such as:

"My traffic has doubled since I started using your program."

The banner is blinking above this forum now.

Most of the banners they fly here are bullshit.

No one mentions these banners but choose CashQuest?

I dont get it.

RRRED · 09-29-2002, 12:20 PM

Moral of the story, arguing gives Ken a stiffy and no one ever wins ;) Believe me...

Toonlogos · 09-29-2002, 12:23 PM

Ken, actually making bets with sleazy?? Sleazy just rose a few notches in my opinion, though he's still below scum.

Ken · 09-29-2002, 12:24 PM

Amp - Once again....you're twisting my words. My exact words were

"How about this.....you find one person who we have EVER ripped off in the 5 years we've been in business....and I'll give YOU $5,000."

I didn't say anything about people who "felt" they were ripped off.

A sponsor shaving IS ripping someone off - black and white

A sponsor not paying someone for good traffic IS ripping someone off - black and white.

A company not paying for services rendered IS ripping someone off - black and white.

We've never done any of the above.....

Someone "feeling" they were ripped of is completely subjective and is NOT a fact just because they feel that way.

Shit....there are millions of people who "feel" that they are owed something or that they have been wronged by the world and that's why their lives are fucked.

Just because they feel that way.....does it make it so?

Ken · 09-29-2002, 12:30 PM

SleazyDream - The check will be Fedexed tomorrow to the address you posted. It will come from WebQuest, Inc. Should I put it attention to anyone?

Ken · 09-29-2002, 12:32 PM

RRRED Moral of the story, arguing gives Ken a stiffy and no one ever wins ;) Believe me...

LOL....that only happens when I argue with you

......and we both know....that you ALWAYS win in the long run!

Ken · 09-29-2002, 12:38 PM

Fletch XXX - Good point!

Toonlogos - I don't know....by the looks of the poll, it still seems that everyone (including SleazyDream) still knows that he's a couple cards short of a full deck

If the 5k was supposed to go to SleazyDream directly, I would have probably called bullshit out of principle alone as I still think it's a total crock of shit.

But since he was generous enough to say it would go to charity....I figure it doesn't really matter in the end.

With all the money made in this industry....it's never a bad thing to find an excuse to give some to a good cause.

View Poll Results: Did Webmasters get screwed by Larry Flynt?
SleazyDream is insane	71	43.83%
Larry Flynt ripped off webmasters	45	27.78%
Who the fuck cares	46	28.40%
Voters: 162. You may not vote on this poll

09-28-2002, 01:02 PM	#2
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09-28-2002, 01:06 PM	#6
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09-28-2002, 01:10 PM	#8
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	Pipecrew - nope.... it's a cheesy attempt to settle a dispute. I told SleazyDream that I'd give him 5k if he could find anyone that we had ever ripped off. This is what he came back with....that we ripped off webmasters because Larry's original sig wasn't on our checks. I think it's insane....but hey, what do I know. If everyone actually feels they got ripped off...then I'll pay up! I told him we'd do a poll and if he won....I'd send 5k to his favorite charity (his idea). Worst case is that a good charity gets 5k. So.....here we are Just to make sure people don't vote for him JUST because the money is going to charity....we're gonna donate 5k to charity either way __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!

09-28-2002, 12:57 PM	#1
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	Did Webmasters get Screwed by Larry Flynt? Here's the debate..... FlyntDigital.com uses text in our promotions to webmasters that say "Larry Flynt Signs These Checks". In reality, we had Larry's original signature digitized as it would be impossible for Larry to sign thousands of checks one by one. SleazyDream thinks that we ripped people off because there was a "perceived" value in that some webmasters apparently thought that there was going to be an original signature by Larry on their checks (although we didn't get any complaints about this to my knowledge, except from SleazyDream) I don't think we ripped anyone off, nor do I think this is false marketing (the bank excepts the digital signature, so it's as good as a hand written signature) What does everyone else think? __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!

09-28-2002, 01:04 PM	#3
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	is this a cheezy attempt to spam your program?

09-28-2002, 01:05 PM	#5
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	The truth is that I was expecting a real signature on my 1st check. When I received it, I realised how much pain in the ass would be for Larry Flynt to sign 5000 checks of $20-40 value for the tgp webmasters

09-28-2002, 01:09 PM	#7
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Realistically I think Larry has better things to do with his time than sign cheques that for the most part are less than $1000 a month for 1000+ people. DH

09-28-2002, 01:15 PM	#9
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Fuck does flynt digital screw people...I made $1k for 30 minutes work...easy

09-28-2002, 01:17 PM	#10
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Larry Flynt is the fucking man. If he screws you, you should feel honored. Go Larry!

09-28-2002, 01:23 PM	#11
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Sleazydream has just named me as his favorite charity :D __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

09-28-2002, 02:33 PM	#13
PxG Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 105	i'm on Ken's side on this one, to think this is a rip-off is stupid, because its Flynts sig (whether digital or not).....there is no way you could make a legal case against this advertising technique. ...his name is on the check no?? BTW, when I first read it and saw, LF signs these checks,' I thought to myself they're using his name to market a product, so he's probably behind this some how....not that he sits around signing 15 dolar checks all day long. I knew they would use a digital sig., ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY..........not misleading at ALL! I think its fair to say he has more important things to do....Like loose all his $$ in Vegas BUT who the Fuck cares...that's my vote. PxG __________________ Kill Password Hackers Now! Kill Hit-Botters Now! _____________________________

09-28-2002, 02:35 PM	#14
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I never thought he would actually SIGn the checks. I took it as a "backing" since I recall lots of discussion of "bad checks" on the boards round that time. Could be wrong. But thats how I took it. Assurance, not trickery. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-28-2002, 02:42 PM	#15
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	I honestly wouldnt doubt that sleazydream is making new accounts on this board just to sign up and vote for himself to snag the $5k... About this whole debate, it's just plain stupid. Grow up sleazy. __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

09-28-2002, 02:43 PM	#16
sherie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,020	Hand written or not it is still his sig. Besides the promo didn't read 'get larry flynt's autograph' Who gives a fuck <---- my vote __________________ AIM sherierocks ICQ 127-296-286 Skype traffichor

09-28-2002, 02:47 PM	#17
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	Was it a rip off? No. Were there damages? No. Was it a misunderstanding for some people? I guess so. Could a reasonable person expect Larry Flynt to personally sign thousands of checks by hand every 2 weeks? Of course Not. If someone says Larry Flynt publishes Hustler, does that mean he has to personally print and bind every one in order to be true? Clearly that was a weak attempt by SleazyDream to piss with Ken. -KC

09-28-2002, 02:50 PM	#18
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	The "Who gives a fuck" option really skews the results. All of those should be lumped into "Sleazy is insane" I would make a yes/no poll that says.. "Were webmasters ripped off by Hustler, when their checks weren't hand signed by Larry Flynt" Then you'd see the landslide of webmasters that didn't feel they were Ripped off.

09-28-2002, 02:57 PM	#20
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I would rather have Ken sign my checks then larry! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

09-28-2002, 02:58 PM	#21
E-Randy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 176	These guys have been in business for a long time and they've been providing quality services to webmasters. In my six years in the industry, I've never heard a single complaint about them. IMO they are one of the most professional adult companies. Sure it's impossible to get a hold of anyone there when you want them to buy your content, but it's all good About the contest Ken, If you're going to have designers attempt to design such a large project, you should have them do a small mockup and then decide which one would win the contract. No designer in their right mind is going to spend 40hrs on design work that they might not even get paid for. I'm not defending sleazydream, but I think this is what he was trying to say, it just came out all wrong. It appears everything just got taken out of it's original context. __________________ ElectraContent.com 31 KICK ASS plugin products for $399! Massive Rods, College Girls, Panties, Lesbians, Toys and dildos, Dirty Blondes, Petite, Interracial, Sexy Housewives........

09-28-2002, 03:50 PM	#22
LUCL0NELY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: AZN KLAN'S MAIN LAND Posts: 1,527	I always support my man SleazyDream . P.s Sleazy, email me , I have something to tell u

09-28-2002, 07:07 PM	#23
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	Fletchxxx/PxG....your both right. Normal checks that go out from LFP do not normally get signed by Larry (they are signed by his CFO and President) so we thought it would be cool if our checks had his sig on them....both as a novelty and because technology allowed us to do so. I still think it's pretty cool! Thanks E-Randy! Brad - If you start sending us boatloads of traffic, I'll not only sign the checks but I'll hand deliver them to your doorstep! __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!

09-28-2002, 08:19 PM	#24
pimpdog3 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 652	I thought larry flynt was retarded..no? How can you expect someone of his nature at the present time to put that much emotional effort into scribbling a signature? Id rather have a person with some stable train of thought signing my checks. lol PD4L

09-28-2002, 08:29 PM	#25
FreeXXX So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: I live in Brad's 1972 Pinto Posts: 141	Who is Larry Flynt?

09-28-2002, 09:17 PM	#26
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Ken, I never said Larry Flynt ripped off webmasters for any money. My point was that stating "Larry Flynt signs the checks" is deceiving and when someone gets a digital print check they may feel ripped off that it wasn't Larry's actual signature when your company stats "Larry FLynt signs the checks". Actually Ken, your words on the bet were - and I quote - "How about this.....you find one person who we have EVER ripped off in the 5 years we've been in business....and I'll give YOU $5,000." Judging from this post it seems several people DID in fact feel ripped off - but the arrogance of you and your company seems to think it's ok now to change the rules and make it a MAJORITY DECISION - interesting as always that I see a lot of people on your payroll posting to this thread. Donating the money to a charity was MY idea, not yours. According to what you origionally said the money would be mine - to do with as I wish. It's my wish to donate it to a specific charity in the town where I live. I'm more than fine with you sending the money directly to THAT charity though. It's a legally registered non-profit organization with charity tax status called RiverDale Place homes for the mentally handicapped. It has about 15 clients and about 35 staff members. Personally I donate a lot of money to them every year, but every penny counts and $5000 would REALLY help to improve the standard of living of the handicapped clients that live there. If you send it I'll even get you a picture of a few of the clients with a sign that says "thank you for the $5000 cashquest" by the way - I personally voted that I was crazy. I was a little disinheartened that you made the poll sound like it was about money. My point wasn't about money - it was about feeling ripped off - which some people felt they were. If you do Have this reputation that all your staff and clients say you have, I'll expect you to send Riverdale Place Homes in Arborg Manitoba Canada a check for $5000. Anything less would be a cop out and not holding to your word at this point. Do that and I'll make a PUBLIC statement on GFY in your favor Stating that I was INDEED WRONG about EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT YOU -----AND I'll post a Pic of myself EATING my Sleazydream Hat holding a copy of a hustler magazine. I won't twist the post to sound in my favor either, like you did with this one. You will be impressed with it. You can either mail them a check, wire the money (email me and I'll send you their mailing address or wire info) or I can have riverdale set up a paypal account. That is of course if you're man enough to stick to your word. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-28-2002, 09:46 PM	#30
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	SleazyDream - You really ARE insane. You should read my post again because it seems like you have some sort of reading disorder..... 1. I clearly stated in my initial post on this thread that it was about "perceived value"...not about actual cash. I understand your point and I think I stated it properly..... 2. I came up with the idea of a poll yesterday and you said that that was fine by you as a fair way to resolve this dispute. 3. You came up with the idea for the charity (which I gave you credit for above) if you won. 4. Only 1 of my staff members posted on this thread and all he said was that it was cool that a charity is gonna get money either way. Where did you get the idea that a "lot" of my staff members were posting? 5. Just because you and a couple other people "feel" ripped off, does not make it so. Obviously, the vast majority of people don't see it that way. It's a matter of opinion, not a fact. 6. I said I would give 5k to charity, regardless of how this poll ended up. We also make it a habit to give a lot of money to charity so it seems that we at least have that in common. So.... I expect to see that pic of you eating your hat and maybe....just maybe I'll get you an autographed Hustler magazine for the picture! and yes....Larry Flynt is FAR from retarded. He's actually very smart and still outwits most people he comes in contact with....especially in poker __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!

09-29-2002, 10:25 AM	#34
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This is old news. I thought I pointed out nine months ago that I knew who signed the checks at Huster, a computer. I'm still being ribbed about it. I don't think it was done in a effort to mislead, more an effort to increase impact on the banner. Neither do I think Sleazy was trying to imply a financial rip off, just a disappoinment in not getting a signed check from LF himself. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-29-2002, 10:45 AM	#35
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	stick to your guns Sleazy.... 1. People shouldn't make stupid bets in the heat of the moment while they're sticking their chest out for their friends to see how cool they are, because someone will undoubtedly take you up on it and call the bluff. 2. They should be man enough to honor their words if #1 was disregarded instead of lapdancing around the issue looking for loopholes after the fact. from the looks of the poll, I'd say there is certainly more than one person who feels they were ripped. And from what I understand, that was the deal.... not the majority.... ONE. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-29-2002, 11:12 AM	#36
letshunt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 196	hehehehe All I care about is whether they can be cashed...you guys have too much time on your hands. __________________ The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -George Patton

09-29-2002, 11:20 AM	#38
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	Amp - You're as delusional as SleazyBear. How did you ever get the idea that I'm trying to look for a loop hole???? I said I would give the 5k to charity either way, without anyone asking me to and after the poll results were clearly in my favor. If I was trying to find a loop hole, there were plenty of opportunities to do so...... I'm not trying to get out of anything and I didn't make a bet to impress anyone. I was making a point that we are not in the business of ripping people off.... If I wanted to find a loophole I would have said that when I made the bet I was talking about financially ripping someone off....not some bullshit about perceived value that is purely based on opinion and not fact. I made the bet long before SleazyDream said anything about the Flynt isssue. I was referring to his assumption that we were trying to rip people off with our design contest. But I didn't try to find a loop hole....instead I went along with the ridiculous notion that we ripped someone off somehow and I haven't once tried to back out of my obligation to send 5k to charity. In fact....I made it so that I would have to do it either way. I still disagree that we ripped anyone off 100% ....but that doesn't change the fact that on Monday we'll Fedex a check to that charity for 5k. I don't have to agree with SleazyDream......but I will honor my word. No loop holes....no bullshit.....not like some of you guys who like to twist things around and try to interpret everything into the worst possible scenario or assume that everyone is a rip off artist or that everyone is full of shit. __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!

09-29-2002, 11:40 AM	#39
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	This whole conversation is fucking stupid. Get back to work everyone! Flynt is a hero. Sleazy is insane. The ad campaign wasn't intentionally deceiving but I know that even I wondered when I saw it. Otherwise, if you ask me it's enough that his signature is stamped or digitized on the checks... that's still pretty cool. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

09-29-2002, 11:44 AM	#40
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Ok Ken, the check should be made out to "RiverDale Place Homes" 332 Ingolfs St. Box 968 Arborg, Manitoba R0C 0A0 Canada They can even issue you a tax receipt if you like. (I'm not sure if the USA and Canada have registered charity tax agreements but they may and if so you might as well get the tax credit, worth a shot anyway) I'll tell them to expect it, and once it arrives I'll uphold my end of the bargain. I'll post pics of me eating my SleazyDream Hat and I'll get you pics of some of the clients of Riverdale holding up a sign that says "Thank you Cash Quest" __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-29-2002, 12:19 PM	#44
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	"Ripped off" doesnt mean bummed out about not having another mans sig. Id say people with "Voted #1 by webmasters" on their banners should be questioned as well, those walk by without disturbance. In addition: people make claims on banners such as: "My traffic has doubled since I started using your program." The banner is blinking above this forum now. Most of the banners they fly here are bullshit. No one mentions these banners but choose CashQuest? I dont get it. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-29-2002, 12:20 PM	#45
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Moral of the story, arguing gives Ken a stiffy and no one ever wins ;) Believe me...

09-29-2002, 12:23 PM	#46
Toonlogos Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,104	Ken, actually making bets with sleazy?? Sleazy just rose a few notches in my opinion, though he's still below scum.