crockett

This is actually a serious question. As an American on this board I see countless attacks about pretty much anything our govt does. Many are justified and hell I even agree with much of it.

However I do have a question for you guys. Why is it you stand by and do pretty much nothing about the situation in Darfur?

It's pretty clear the world looks to America to lead by example, but this is one case that we can't do much about. No matter if it's right or wrong for us to be in Iraq, we are there and we don't have the troops to spare to go elsewhere. So I can "almost" understand my govt's un-willingness to stand up to the plate and take the lead on this matter, however I don't excuse it.

Yet, I have to ask why is it, none of the European Union countries are standing up and doing something about this? Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea could also be doing something. Yet none of your countries are doing anything, even though you have the troops and the man power to do something about it.

I'm sitting here watching a documentary on the Sudan Genocide that is still going on after several years and I just have to ask.. why?

Genocides have taken place in Europe and Asia so one would expect your govt's and people to be more than willing to do something about it. Yet you guys stand by and do nothing about this one.. why?

L-Pink

Wasn't the UN kicked out because it was an internal matter?

NinjaSteve

Didn't China supply weapons to them?

Japan has done something about it.
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/englis.../2007/1105.htm
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/englis.../2007/0626.htm
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/englis...05/032905b.htm


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Nazgrel

We currently have ppl both on the ground in Sudan, diplomats working with the UN and the Sudanese government and troops gearing up/training for a upcomming UN led mission into Darfur. However, it is an uphill battle getting things done as the Sudanese government is not excactly welcoming outside help in the area. Also, beeing such a small country we do not have the option to go there and clear things up with force.

Why the bigger countries in Europe and Asia isnt doing more to stop this, is however beyond my understanding...

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halfpint

The UK and European government are just as bad as the USA governmnet in my opinion.

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crockett

UN sent is a dismissal force that was there to for the most part just look pretty for the cameras. They had no authority to do anything, but wear blue helmets and watch it all go on. Doing something about it, means putting troops on the ground that "will" protect the civilians, not stand by and watch them get killed by troops from the Sudanese govt.

Was killing all the Jews in Europe a internal matter? Since when was a Genocide considered a "internal" matter? or the many other genocides that have gone on this century? Why is it we always say "never again" yet stand by as it happens again?

NinjaSteve.. money isn't the issue. The issue is the need for troops on the ground to stop the killing. Sending aid is all that's gone on for the last few years. I guess it's easier to ignore it if a govt can claim they sent aid money or food. I guess it's like paying for a piece of mind.

L-Pink

I remember reading the Sudanese government protested against UN involvement in what it said was an internal matter. And the UN complied.

If I'm wrong please educate me, don't go into a WW2 rant. Many of us view the Sudan wars as tribal uprisings and paybacks between age old enemies. Conflicts that are present regardless of the ruling party.

Sly

Another thing to keep in mind is Sudan actually does quite a bit of business with other countries... they have oil. China is one of their big business partners. The lot of the Western powers have pressured China into applying more pressure, but they aren't doing much because of the oil.

Imagine that. Other people want oil as well!

What's going on over there is just absolutely crazy. But I don't see how anyone can think that interfering would create any different results than what you see in Iraq, Somalia, or the variety of other similar examples that have happened over the years.

They need to figure it out themselves.

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crockett

Yea that's the point.. While I don't agree with our war in Iraq as I think it was mainly motivated for oil reasons. I do think it's quite Ironic that so many people in other countries protested the US claiming we were in it just for the oil.

Yet why aren't these very people protesting their own govts for their lack of doing anything during a ongoing genocide.

L Pinks.. Sudan's govt is the one carrying out the genocide. So what they say or want should be of little concern to the international community.
The ones doing the killing and raping are govt soldiers or Militia's whom are working for the govt.

If ever there was a case for an invasion and regime change it is the Sudan.

GreyWolf

Agree - Darfur is a total disgrace and there is nothing any country can say which would justify the turning of heads while genicide took place.

In reality all countries concerned are part of the UN and, not once, but many, many times the Secretary General requested assistance in dealing with Darfur. What did he get? Nothing - not a bean. Dafur was the one issue which the last Secretary General regards as his personal failure and replusive that no nation actually stood up to be counted.

We are not talking about this or that country - all these countries are UN members and part of the international community - yet they all elected to do nothing. No country is blameless.

Na.. the international community does not rely on the US to lead by example - they manage their own affairs and don't need any other country to do this. Some have done exceptionally well in managing their foreign affairs and have eg contributed well in both finance and practical on-the-ground assistance to third world or distressed areas. Others have failed miserably - each to their own.

Iraq is a totally different scenario Crockett - it's just another US govt war and has nothing to do with the welfare or interests of the Iraq people - and just another thing which will prob come back to haunt the US in future.

If you think Daruf is bad - ya ain't seen nothing yet in terms of what have happened to others over the last 25 ish years. My own country sold people out for slimeball gain and imprisoned innocent people who used to live on Deigo Garcia for centuries - the object being to sell the island to the US to permit an aircraft base. Meanwhile, the real owners of that island are no longer there and living in permanent squalor - thanks to the selfishness of supposed "civilized" nations.

Bottom line, "civilized world" can behave in the most disgusting ways possible - these nations may include the US, but the extent of predatory and unjust behavior is spread far wider over many countries.

crockett

I disagree with the whole UN deal. We all know the UN is about worthless hence the reason I said some other country should stand up. The UN does nothing but sit around and think up some strong wording but then fail top follow through on it. If they do actually get to the point of putting troops on the ground. The troops end up being nothing but target practice as they don't have authority to shoot back.

Say what you will about the US. I can't stand Bush but one thing is certian the US doesn't sit around waiting for the UN to decide to do nothing. We always have and always will act on our own when it's needed.

I disagree with you when you say the rest of the world doesn't look to the US. When the USSR was a threat who did Europe look to to help protect them? If China decided to go after Japan you don't think the world would be looking to the US to fight them off? Same with North Korea if they decided to invade South Korea. Who would be the first in fighting them off?

The list goes on and on, when something needs done people don't look to the UN they look to the USA. It's because we have a history of acting and doing something. I'm not trying to go on a pro US rant, but just giving example of what needs to happen.

Granted we can't do everything. In this case it's very clear the UN lacks a backbone big suprise there. So what needs to happen is a country needs to stand up and say they will do something about it. Yet none do, they all sit by and use the excuse of the UN is working on it. Which is nothing but a BS excuse.