is AWE still only paying revshare for 14 days?

[AmateurFlix]

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Oracle Porn]

yes.....

[Jace]

yes, if your surfer does not buy anything within 14 days they are no longer under you, even though they still remain in the AWE system...after 14 days of no activity AWE takes all the surfers money

[spacedog]

hmm.. so, if surfer joins on day one, then don't buy again for another 3 weeks, I get nothing on second purchase?? Well, fuck that

[tranza]

Yeah, I think so.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by Jace

yes, if your surfer does not buy anything within 14 days they are no longer under you, even though they still remain in the AWE system...after 14 days of no activity AWE takes all the surfers money

Time to take our links down. Thanks for the info.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Time to take our links down. Thanks for the info.

shouldn't you be taking the links down based on the revenue?

I mean, it's possible that in fact you're not making mcuh with them, because your surfers spend the money after the first two weeks and you don't get credit for it...... but it's also possible that regardless of that rule you're making more with AWE than with other cam sponsors, nope?

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

shouldn't you be taking the links down based on the revenue?

I mean, it's possible that in fact you're not making mcuh with them, because your surfers spend the money after the first two weeks and you don't get credit for it...... but it's also possible that regardless of that rule you're making more with AWE than with other cam sponsors, nope?

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

i totally agree, and with AWE they seem to have a nice cobrand option, so surfers never even know they are on a AWE site, it is your domain and your headers, so in reality they will always come back to your site

I thought about the AWE cookie thing a lot, and while I dont agree with it, it is their decision to make, but I never use their default revshare links, I always set up a full cobrand with them

[rowan]

Does the cobrand get around the 14 day limit though? I can't imagine it would be that easy otherwise everyone would be doing it and sending AWE "broke"

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rowan

Does the cobrand get around the 14 day limit though? I can't imagine it would be that easy otherwise everyone would be doing it and sending AWE "broke"

well, if the only place the surfer was coming to was your domain to get to the cams, then why would you worry about the 14 day cookie? they ALWAYS come to your cobrand to get to the cams

[QuaWee]

the thread below was close, I wonder why...
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/594765-awempire-enlighten-please.html

[boneless]

hope that all mods that are on their power trip leave this topic open, that an advertiser of gfy gets attacked on their own shitty term does not justify to closing those topics imho.

[boneless]

it is just not right in my opinion that you get rebills for years after you've pulled the links after some weeks, put up other sponsors or even shut down your site.

this is just so wrong plain and simple...i sent my visitor to ya and if he stays on for 5 years then you owe me 5 years pay ;) doesnt matter if i pull links or not, those links could go up again anytime i want, and i dont think its up to AWE to decide how i should run my sites, btw if you keep the links up on your pages you still only get 14 days worth of limited revshare...imho his statement is bullshit, wether you pull links or not its allways on LIMITED REVSHARE

[QuaWee]

Originally Posted by Viktor AWE

Gone through the thread with the morning coffee...
Few things to clarify:
Yes AWEmpire is tracking sales with a 14 day expiry cookie for now. No one of AWE ever said otherwise, as far as i know. Looking at stats, it is true for some guys it works like that as a charm for some it doesn't...
I also urge everyone to get out there and try several programs and compare them, nobody said you must stick to one .
My personal opion, as well as some of you guys', it's the $$ at the end of the day what matters. Does it matter if your ride is a V6 or a boxer-flat6 if they get you 0-60 in 4,5 sec. [k, that might be a bit vague as a metaphor]

As mentioned in this thread, sending 1-5-10-100k of uniques of worthless traffic probably won't convert, though i doubt it will convert anywhere else, or that it would convert after 14 days... or 30... or 90... or ever. Quality traffic combined with a knowledge does convert imho, otherwise it would be quite difficult for some people to make 50k sales a period. Just look at the toplist you will find at least two well built trusted TGPs that have earned trust of their surfers over the years, and actually are able to make t $$ with proper traffic.

As for the ever-returning-topic of "made a sale x years ago and still got rebills", it is just not right in my opinion that you get rebills for years after you've pulled the links after some weeks, put up other sponsors or even shut down your site. Don't get me wrong, all i'm trying to say is that i think if one considers himself a webmaster and DOES work a decent number of hours a day, working with a site that does offer anything to surfers, and uses targetted traffic, in the end of the day will make sales.

Ask any of the guys on our main page top webmasters list if they are satisfied are not, im sure the top 50 would be happier if it wasn't the 14 day cookie.
We are by the way in testphase of a database based revs and pps.
Thanks for all the people that work with us and can convert, and sorry for the ones that cant find a way to make sales with crazy amounts of traffic, you're probably better off with another sponsor, another program.

There is no 'ultimate-sponsor' as far as i'm concerned. X sponsor works great for A and sucks for B, while Y sponsor is the other way around.
It's like that, fact. It will always be like that, not a fact but highly predictable.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by Jace

well, if the only place the surfer was coming to was your domain to get to the cams, then why would you worry about the 14 day cookie? they ALWAYS come to your cobrand to get to the cams

That didn't answer my question though, AWE may still exercise their "account is older than 14 days therefore we get all remaining credit" check, regardless of where or how the member starts watching cams.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

shouldn't you be taking the links down based on the revenue?

I mean, it's possible that in fact you're not making mcuh with them, because your surfers spend the money after the first two weeks and you don't get credit for it...... but it's also possible that regardless of that rule you're making more with AWE than with other cam sponsors, nope?

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

Yeah, it explains a lot about the revenue for me. With our traffic we do better with 2 other sites. I was testing the waters. Time to stop.

Thanks for your concern...

[JD]

Originally Posted by rowan

That didn't answer my question though, AWE may still exercise their "account is older than 14 days therefore we get all remaining credit" check, regardless of where or how the member starts watching cams.

it's the cookie that dies after 14days. the account could be a million years old afaik but as long as the surfer gets a new cookie every 14days you get to keep the revenue

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rowan

That didn't answer my question though, AWE may still exercise their "account is older than 14 days therefore we get all remaining credit" check, regardless of where or how the member starts watching cams.

the cookie from a standard revshare link dies after 14 days, if they comes back to your cobrand or continue buying you always get their revshare

it isn't a 14 day then die policy, it is a 14 day cookie (after the user is inactive)

so, if you set up a cobrand and surfers always buy from your cobrand you have nothing to worry about, but if you just throw up some revshare links and you get 100 surfers and only 2 buy in the first 14 days you are fucked on those other 98 people

[More Booze]

So what? 50% of all sponsors shave ;)

[SmokeyTheBear]

I must admit i think the policy sucks , BUT you really do have to consider how much money your making in comparison.. ( keeping in mind we dont want to compare them to programs like aff that indirectly hurt the industry by promoting them and have serious long term effects on your traffic )

As jace pointed out , if your a serious webmaster you will use COBRANDING to your advantage and the 14 day policy is somewhat moot point..

[Thead]

but cobranding is useless because when you click on a performer the chat window is not a cobrand, there is a Livejasmin logo on top and wherever you are clicking you're getting back to livejasmin and not your cobrand.

[fuzzylogic]

it seems this 14-day cookie policy encourages cobranding

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by Jace

well, if the only place the surfer was coming to was your domain to get to the cams, then why would you worry about the 14 day cookie? they ALWAYS come to your cobrand to get to the cams

Where is this login form that members login to on the cobrand?

What about the link in the confirmation email that gives them the link to login to access cams?

What about all the livejasmine.com urls all over everything everywhere?

Only the front end is cobrand, surfer clicks any cam show they're taken offsite.


Why would surfer comeback to cobrand when they have to go to livejasmine to login?

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Thead

but cobranding is useless because when you click on a performer the chat window is not a cobrand, there is a Livejasmin logo on top and wherever you are clicking you're getting back to livejasmin and not your cobrand.

[dissipate]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I must admit i think the policy sucks , BUT you really do have to consider how much money your making in comparison.. ( keeping in mind we dont want to compare them to programs like aff that indirectly hurt the industry by promoting them and have serious long term effects on your traffic )

As jace pointed out , if your a serious webmaster you will use COBRANDING to your advantage and the 14 day policy is somewhat moot point..

However once they've signed up they're put into LiveJasmin backends, where they'll most likely be logging straight into livejasmin anyways once they've figured out thats where they get sent.

[Tempest]

Thanks for reminding me about this.. I was starting to consider promoting them... Not now though...

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

one should also consider the earnings they may lose if other sponsors are encouraged to use the same tactics as AWE is. if AWE gets away with it, what's to prevent other cam sponsors from pulling similar stunts?

looking solely at one's earnings from this particular sponsor is a bit too short-sighted imho.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

one should also consider the earnings they may lose if other sponsors are encouraged to use the same tactics as AWE is. if AWE gets away with it, what's to prevent other cam sponsors from pulling similar stunts?

I think you might just have given some other cam sponsors a few ideas.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by DamageX

I think you might just have given some other cam sponsors a few ideas.

or any other revshare sponsor which is why someone who offers such rubbish to the adult webmaster community should be ostracized.

[tical]

I have some room to make some private deals 30-35% revshare, $40 PPS or a combination of both ( we can work out the details )

Our cookies expire in about 30 years

[boneprone]

ill stick with zango.

[Maxxx9000]

yes they still have the 14 day rule. And even if you make some sales ik takes them almost a goddam month to pay out your cash. No thanks it's zango for me untill some other camsite offers me 105$ per sale and converts as well.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Maxxx9000

No thanks it's zango for me untill some other camsite offers me 105$ per sale and converts as well.

not a camsite but you could sell heroin to schoolchildren from this heroin dealer i heard about..

and the best part is the dealer HASNT been hit by the ftc with million dollar fines and charges like zango has..

[SmokeyTheBear]

btw was that a wierd freudian slip ? did you mean to say cams.com but instead said zango ? creepy. or does zango have a camsite now

[jscott]

interesting, makes me wonder how many others may possibly have some similar affiliate raping tactics

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by pornopete

so then it's not really revshare now is it?

This has always been my bone of contention with them. Anyone who has promoted revshare cams over the years naturally assumes that a "revshare" payout program means for the life of the customer. I don't have a problem if AWE only wants to pay out for 14 days, but don't call it revshare and at least state that in your program details to webmasters signing up to your program. I guarantee you there are tons of webmasters promoting them that aren't aware of the 14 day cookie payout.

I also don't like the fact that the owner of AWE responded to the backlash by stating that he felt the adult webmaster didn't deserve getting paid anything longer than 14 days of revshare. Then a couple months later spends a few million putting on the moronic "Live Sex Awards". Every other adult webcam revshare program feels the adult webmaster deserves getting paid for the lifetime of the customer.

I had thought the cobrand was a workaround to the expiring cookie, but after reading about how the links take you to their main site, I'm not so sure now. Maybe we could get some clarification from AWE as to whether the cobrand does indeed keep your customer for life as long as they continue to come through your site.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by lazycash

I had thought the cobrand was a workaround to the expiring cookie, but after reading about how the links take you to their main site, I'm not so sure now. Maybe we could get some clarification from AWE as to whether the cobrand does indeed keep your customer for life as long as they continue to come through your site.

I would like to know this too

maybe it is time for me to set up a cobrand and sign up myself to see

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by lazycash

I had thought the cobrand was a workaround to the expiring cookie, but after reading about how the links take you to their main site, I'm not so sure now. Maybe we could get some clarification from AWE as to whether the cobrand does indeed keep your customer for life as long as they continue to come through your site.

Only the URL is your site, all the rest of the links say livejasmin. You think the customer is yours for life?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Only the URL is your site, all the rest of the links say livejasmin. You think the customer is yours for life?

After messing around with some clickthroughs I'm guessing it isn't, plus there are plenty of other places for the surfer to bookmark outside of the cobrand url.

[Pink-AE]

Originally Posted by Jace

I would like to know this too

maybe it is time for me to set up a cobrand and sign up myself to see

cobranding sets up a single page with whatever graphics you want on it, you choose which cams x by x rows. Any clicks on that page open up directly to jasmine, theres no functionality.

And when you actually open up a cam the cobranding stops.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Pink-AE

cobranding sets up a single page with whatever graphics you want on it, you choose which cams x by x rows. Any clicks on that page open up directly to jasmine, theres no functionality.

And when you actually open up a cam the cobranding stops.

hm...anyone know a nice WHITE LABEL cam solution then?

[Redmanthatcould]

Originally Posted by More Booze

So what? 50% of all sponsors shave ;)

VS is in the 50% that don't shave, in that case

Originally Posted by jscott

interesting, makes me wonder how many others may possibly have some similar affiliate raping tactics

With VS, it is revshare for life - period.

Originally Posted by Tempest

Thanks for reminding me about this.. I was starting to consider promoting them... Not now though...

Please check us out if you aren't already promoting us.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Jace

hm...anyone know a nice WHITE LABEL cam solution then?

I've seen some nice cobrands from Camsense - CamContacts, but have never really promoted them. I believe you have to go to www.ccnetwork.com to sign up for their cobrand.

[thehand]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

VS is in the 50% that don't shave, in that case

Jeff , (facial) shaving is necessary for good hygene. Otherwise, when you go to the shows, affiliates will think you are a hippie.

No need to state the obvious, everyone here knows our reputation.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by thehand

Jeff , (facial) shaving is necessary for good hygene. Otherwise, when you go to the shows, affiliates will think you are a hippie.

No need to state the obvious, everyone here knows our reputation.

I am a hippie to the 100th power then....haha

[Aussie Rebel]

Great I just wasted my time building a page to promote them, now I'm going to have to take it down, I forgot they were doing this, the greedy fuckers, surely they know they are losing business over this?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Great I just wasted my time building a page to promote them, now I'm going to have to take it down, I forgot they were doing this, the greedy fuckers, surely they know they are losing business over this?

losing money??? ROFL....the problem here is that they are stealing money by being deceptive, therefor making MORE money for themselves

[DamageX]

Nice skin AWE.

[Martin3]

Yep, great skin

[slapass]

Wow you would think GFY would close this thread....