Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12141080)

yes, if your surfer does not buy anything within 14 days they are no longer under you, even though they still remain in the AWE system...after 14 days of no activity AWE takes all the surfers money

Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 12141140)

Time to take our links down. Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 12141194)

shouldn't you be taking the links down based on the revenue?

I mean, it's possible that in fact you're not making mcuh with them, because your surfers spend the money after the first two weeks and you don't get credit for it...... but it's also possible that regardless of that rule you're making more with AWE than with other cam sponsors, nope?

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 12141258)

Does the cobrand get around the 14 day limit though? I can't imagine it would be that easy otherwise everyone would be doing it and sending AWE "broke"

Originally Posted by Viktor AWE

Gone through the thread with the morning coffee...
Few things to clarify:
Yes AWEmpire is tracking sales with a 14 day expiry cookie for now. No one of AWE ever said otherwise, as far as i know. Looking at stats, it is true for some guys it works like that as a charm for some it doesn't...
I also urge everyone to get out there and try several programs and compare them, nobody said you must stick to one .
My personal opion, as well as some of you guys', it's the $$ at the end of the day what matters. Does it matter if your ride is a V6 or a boxer-flat6 if they get you 0-60 in 4,5 sec. [k, that might be a bit vague as a metaphor]

As mentioned in this thread, sending 1-5-10-100k of uniques of worthless traffic probably won't convert, though i doubt it will convert anywhere else, or that it would convert after 14 days... or 30... or 90... or ever. Quality traffic combined with a knowledge does convert imho, otherwise it would be quite difficult for some people to make 50k sales a period. Just look at the toplist you will find at least two well built trusted TGPs that have earned trust of their surfers over the years, and actually are able to make t $$ with proper traffic.

As for the ever-returning-topic of "made a sale x years ago and still got rebills", it is just not right in my opinion that you get rebills for years after you've pulled the links after some weeks, put up other sponsors or even shut down your site. Don't get me wrong, all i'm trying to say is that i think if one considers himself a webmaster and DOES work a decent number of hours a day, working with a site that does offer anything to surfers, and uses targetted traffic, in the end of the day will make sales.

Ask any of the guys on our main page top webmasters list if they are satisfied are not, im sure the top 50 would be happier if it wasn't the 14 day cookie.
We are by the way in testphase of a database based revs and pps.
Thanks for all the people that work with us and can convert, and sorry for the ones that cant find a way to make sales with crazy amounts of traffic, you're probably better off with another sponsor, another program.

There is no 'ultimate-sponsor' as far as i'm concerned. X sponsor works great for A and sucks for B, while Y sponsor is the other way around.
It's like that, fact. It will always be like that, not a fact but highly predictable.

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12141263)

well, if the only place the surfer was coming to was your domain to get to the cams, then why would you worry about the 14 day cookie? they ALWAYS come to your cobrand to get to the cams

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 12141194)

shouldn't you be taking the links down based on the revenue?

I mean, it's possible that in fact you're not making mcuh with them, because your surfers spend the money after the first two weeks and you don't get credit for it...... but it's also possible that regardless of that rule you're making more with AWE than with other cam sponsors, nope?

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 12141388)

That didn't answer my question though, AWE may still exercise their "account is older than 14 days therefore we get all remaining credit" check, regardless of where or how the member starts watching cams.

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 12141388)

That didn't answer my question though, AWE may still exercise their "account is older than 14 days therefore we get all remaining credit" check, regardless of where or how the member starts watching cams.

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12141263)

well, if the only place the surfer was coming to was your domain to get to the cams, then why would you worry about the 14 day cookie? they ALWAYS come to your cobrand to get to the cams

Originally Posted by Thead (Post 12141670)

but cobranding is useless because when you click on a performer the chat window is not a cobrand, there is a Livejasmin logo on top and wherever you are clicking you're getting back to livejasmin and not your cobrand.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 12141571)

I must admit i think the policy sucks , BUT you really do have to consider how much money your making in comparison.. ( keeping in mind we dont want to compare them to programs like aff that indirectly hurt the industry by promoting them and have serious long term effects on your traffic )

As jace pointed out , if your a serious webmaster you will use COBRANDING to your advantage and the 14 day policy is somewhat moot point..

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 12141194)

Links should be pulled based on the earnings you see.... this 14 days rule may suck, but this is not a situation like with i.e. AFF where by promoting them, you're indirectly hurting the industry...

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix (Post 12141862)

one should also consider the earnings they may lose if other sponsors are encouraged to use the same tactics as AWE is. if AWE gets away with it, what's to prevent other cam sponsors from pulling similar stunts?

Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 12141960)

I think you might just have given some other cam sponsors a few ideas.

Originally Posted by Maxxx9000 (Post 12143913)

No thanks it's zango for me untill some other camsite offers me 105$ per sale and converts as well.

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 12141272)

so then it's not really revshare now is it?

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 12144068)

I had thought the cobrand was a workaround to the expiring cookie, but after reading about how the links take you to their main site, I'm not so sure now. Maybe we could get some clarification from AWE as to whether the cobrand does indeed keep your customer for life as long as they continue to come through your site.

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 12144068)

I had thought the cobrand was a workaround to the expiring cookie, but after reading about how the links take you to their main site, I'm not so sure now. Maybe we could get some clarification from AWE as to whether the cobrand does indeed keep your customer for life as long as they continue to come through your site.

Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 12144101)

Only the URL is your site, all the rest of the links say livejasmin. You think the customer is yours for life? :Graucho

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12144093)

I would like to know this too

maybe it is time for me to set up a cobrand and sign up myself to see

Originally Posted by Pink-AE (Post 12144148)

cobranding sets up a single page with whatever graphics you want on it, you choose which cams x by x rows. Any clicks on that page open up directly to jasmine, theres no functionality.

And when you actually open up a cam the cobranding stops.

Originally Posted by More Booze (Post 12141524)

So what? 50% of all sponsors shave ;)

Originally Posted by jscott (Post 12144015)

interesting, makes me wonder how many others may possibly have some similar affiliate raping tactics

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 12141800)

Thanks for reminding me about this.. I was starting to consider promoting them... Not now though...

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12144151)

hm...anyone know a nice WHITE LABEL cam solution then?

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff (Post 12144169)

VS is in the 50% that don't shave, in that case :)
:thumbsup

Originally Posted by thehand (Post 12144256)

Jeff , (facial) shaving is necessary for good hygene. Otherwise, when you go to the shows, affiliates will think you are a hippie.

No need to state the obvious, everyone here knows our reputation. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel (Post 12144324)

Great I just wasted my time building a page to promote them, now I'm going to have to take it down, I forgot they were doing this, the greedy fuckers, surely they know they are losing business over this?