AFF advertised on a site with CP and incest.

[will76]

AFF, you might want to check and see where account http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g838799-ppc is getting their traffic from.

The site they are advertising on is a forum site for posting " free porn"
. AFF is the only company listed on it. At the bottom of the site it says " xxxxx does not store any Files on its Server , this site only indexes files found on sites from the web. All the links found here is mainly hosted in File sharing sites such as rapidshare , megaupload or sexuploader. " ( I removed the site url.)


I will be passing this along to the authorities as well.

If you care (AFF) check out that account and shut it down. If you want the exact page contact me and I will give it to you. Don't give me the "contact me directly bullshit" I know you will see this, someone from your staff will likely see this before they check email especially on the weekend.

This is the worst I have seen yet, and I don't feel comfortable posting a link to it and I will be deleting all cache on my pc. I hate having had seen it.

[will76]

I know sites like this will likely always exist. There are a lot of sickos out there and countries that don't care. I think it is terrible that porn companies either advertise on these sites or allow their affiliates to. These are the last places that you should find a porn site. It terrible taste in the worst way and I feel should be illegal for them to profit from sites like that. Even though they don't own the content or the site, they are profiting from an illegal activity, about the worst type of illegal activity that takes places in the industry. I am truely shocked that they are so carefree about this, it is wrong on so many levels.

[Aussie Rebel]

Will, send the link to the media and show them what sort of company AFF is, Maybe then they will think twice about there shady practices once they have had there names and company exposed all over the news media

[will76]

since i am not going to post a link or pictures here is some of the text on those pages (and the content thumbs appear to back up the text. I refuse to click any links on the page that actually go to the picture sets.)

**Exclusive! 1000% UNSEEN REAL LIFE JUST GIVE A LOOK (INCENT)**

REAL LIFE SISTER BROTHER - MOTHER SON - FULL FAMILY NUDE PICS MUST SEE ALL PICS VERY SEXY SURELY UNSEEN

This is not Porn this is just clothfree (pron is something making sex) i got mail that this is child pron by a boad admin
but this is not pron i downloaded from a site which is registered under goverment law. so pls don't get misguided this is just nudity not porn

I have real life video of this type of party if you ppl give me alteast 54 replies i will post that.
-----------------

Full Family Incent!Exclusive(Sister-Mother-Son-Father)

----------------

**Exclusive! Incent Daughter and Dad.Very Hot!MUST SEE

Daugher Please her Dad In Abcence of Mother


---------------

you get the idea...

There must be 10 AFF banners on that page.

[WarChild]

I think you must mean someone is selling AFF on one of those sites as opposed to AFF is advertising on the site.

When AFF buys advertising directly from a site, you have to sign this huge legal release saying you won't promote them with any of these items, as well as have your site checked by compliance.

Careful with the wording.

[will76]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I think you must mean someone is selling AFF on one of those sites as opposed to AFF is advertising on the site.

When AFF buys advertising directly from a site, you have to sign this huge legal release saying you won't promote them with any of these items, as well as have your site checked by compliance.

Careful with the wording.

i worded it exactly how I intended and is exactly what is happening.

"AFF advertised on a site with CP and incest".

Did I say AFF did it??? no. I said it was being advertised there and even asked them to look into the affiliate doing it. Prehaps you should read more carefully.

[Sebastian Sands]

Waiting for bad dog to come in and tell everyone how much of a bro Lars really is.. after all he let the bad puppy wear his beanie

[kenny]

Will,

AFF is going to hire a hit man to take you out.

You really like fucking with them don't you?

Anyway,

If half the stuff I read on here about AFF is true then they really need to revaluate how they do things.

maximizing profits isn't everything

[will76]

Originally Posted by kenny

Will,

AFF is going to hire a hit man to take you out.

You really like fucking with them don't you?

Anyway,

If half the stuff I read on here about AFF is true then they really need to revaluate how they do things.

maximizing profits isn't everything

BTW, they are using zango again.


I wouldn't piss on that company if they were on fire. Hopefully one of these issues, if not all of them, will catch up to them and I would be the last thing they need to worry about.

don't shoot the messenger clean your house and you wont have any problems. This shit is rediculas.

[will76]

I reported this to AFF through their "abuse" form on their site, so only time will tell if they do something about it.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I think you must mean someone is selling AFF on one of those sites as opposed to AFF is advertising on the site.

That doesn't make as good a headline though.

[will76]

Originally Posted by baddog

That doesn't make as good a headline though.

You stupid old fuck, it figures Mr. Grammar and Simantics would show up and try to split hairs. However you are wrong in this case.

I didn't say Aff was advertising on that site. I said AFF ( you know the website) is advertised on that site.

Is AFF advertised on that site? Yes it is, in about 10 different places. The
"headlines" is 100% accurate. fuck off and go kiss your buddy lars' ass some more.

[will76]

Originally Posted by baddog

That doesn't make as good a headline though.

" Thank you Legendary Lars" https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/783491-thank-legendary-lars-pic.html


I guess if I would have gave you gifts you would have felt otherwise.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

What are you insinuating?!?

Just because AFFs ads repeatedly show up on sites with illegal and stolen content, doesn't mean that they are any more responsible/culpable than the poor innocent people running those sites. It's just a few bad apples afterall.

Everyone knows that the reason such sites generate so much traffic is because everyone is swapping their grandmother's recipes for apple pie and other wholesome stuff that they hold the copyrights to.

Anyone suggesting that by purchasing ad space or making payouts to affiliates that either run or help finance such sites is enabling criminal enterprises, doesn't know the meaning of conspiracy or organized crime.

I'm sure AFF has no knowledge that any copyrighted material is ever illegally posted, or that cp and other illegal content is posted, on big traffic sites where their ads appear, even though to the uninformed it might appear that the higher their traffic and profits from such sites, the harder it seems for AFF to notice it and react quickly to it.

I'm sure AFF would be shocked to learn that their company is in any way associated with companies that are essentially nothing but criminal enterprises, acting under the guise of legal P2P networks on the forefront of supporting freedom and free speech (unlike the fascists who think that simply because they finance and create content, that it shouldn't be free for anyone to share on a web site enabled/underwritten/financed by people whose companies are not the victims of stolen content).

It is the duty of people that finance and create artistic works to give it away free so that companies like AFF can profit from it.

And it doesn't matter how many tens or hundreds of thousands of times illegal content is downloaded, I'm pretty sure AFF will get after it promptly (give or take a few 10-100,000 downloads), because gosh darn it, they take such matters seriously.

If the same content pops up elsewhere on the same site alongside their ads in the next day, week or month afterwards, they will be equally diligent, even if they have to keep doing it over and over again for as long as it takes until people quit pointing it out to them.

To show the crooks a lesson, when they uncover such nefarious practices, they will probably keep all of the bad guy's money themselves and not release it to them. Sure, some may see this as AFF profiting from both sides of illegal activity, but I say that is just being cynical.

Why, AFF even pledges a teeny weenie percentage of their profits to organizations opposed to such activity in exchange for positive press, whether they actually fulfill the pledge or not.

I'm betting that AFF will buy a drink for anyone that thinks otherwise at the next show, because that is the kind of stand-up company they are.

God forbid any of the owners of AFF's own children are ever expolited the way others kids are on sites that their company and affiliates consistently profit from. Maybe then they might view the issues of stolen copyrighted content and illegal content differently.

Have a nice weekend...

ADG

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

What are you insinuating?!?

Just because AFFs ads repeatedly show up on sites with illegal and stolen content, doesn't mean that they are any more responsible/culpable than the poor innocent people running those sites. It's just a few bad apples afterall.

Everyone knows that the reason such sites generate so much traffic is because everyone is swapping their grandmother's recipes for apple pie and other wholesome stuff that they hold the copyrights to.

Anyone suggesting that by purchasing ad space or making payouts to affiliates that either run or help finance such sites is enabling criminal enterprises, doesn't know the meaning of conspiracy or organized crime.

I'm sure AFF has no knowledge that any copyrighted material is ever illegally posted, or that cp and other illegal content is posted, on big traffic sites where their ads appear, even though to the uninformed it might appear that the higher their traffic and profits from such sites, the harder it seems for AFF to notice it and react quickly to it.

I'm sure AFF would be shocked to learn that their company is in any way associated with companies that are essentially nothing but criminal enterprises, acting under the guise of legal P2P networks on the forefront of supporting freedom and free speech (unlike the fascists who think that simply because they finance and create content, that it shouldn't be free for anyone to share on a web site enabled/underwritten/financed by people whose companies are not the victims of stolen content).

It is the duty of people that finance and create artistic works to give it away free so that companies like AFF can profit from it.

And it doesn't matter how many tens or hundreds of thousands of times illegal content is downloaded, I'm pretty sure AFF will get after it promptly (give or take a few 10-100,000 downloads), because gosh darn it, they take such matters seriously.

If the same content pops up elsewhere on the same site alongside their ads in the next day, week or month afterwards, they will be equally diligent, even if they have to keep doing it over and over again for as long as it takes until people quit pointing it out to them.

To show the crooks a lesson, when they uncover such nefarious practices, they will probably keep all of the bad guy's money themselves and not release it to them. Sure, some may see this as AFF profiting from both sides of illegal activity, but I say that is just being cynical.

Why, AFF even pledges a teeny weenie percentage of their profits to organizations opposed to such activity in exchange for positive press, whether they actually fulfill the pledge or not.

I'm betting that AFF will buy a drink for anyone that thinks otherwise at the next show, because that is the kind of stand-up company they are.

God forbid any of the owners of AFF's own children are ever expolited the way others kids are on sites that their company and affiliates consistently profit from. Maybe then they might view the issues of stolen copyrighted content and illegal content differently.

Have a nice weekend...

ADG

[madleinx]

Originally Posted by will76

since i am not going to post a link or pictures here is some of the text on those pages (and the content thumbs appear to back up the text. I refuse to click any links on the page that actually go to the picture sets.)

**Exclusive! 1000% UNSEEN REAL LIFE JUST GIVE A LOOK (INCENT)**

REAL LIFE SISTER BROTHER - MOTHER SON - FULL FAMILY NUDE PICS MUST SEE ALL PICS VERY SEXY SURELY UNSEEN

This is not Porn this is just clothfree (pron is something making sex) i got mail that this is child pron by a boad admin
but this is not pron i downloaded from a site which is registered under goverment law. so pls don't get misguided this is just nudity not porn

I have real life video of this type of party if you ppl give me alteast 54 replies i will post that.
-----------------

Full Family Incent!Exclusive(Sister-Mother-Son-Father)

----------------

**Exclusive! Incent Daughter and Dad.Very Hot!MUST SEE

Daugher Please her Dad In Abcence of Mother


---------------

you get the idea...

There must be 10 AFF banners on that page.

Absolutely nothing makes me angrier than the sexual abuse of children, except perhaps people profiting off of it. Really, if the death penalty should exist for anything it should be for child rapists and abusers. AFF needs to kill that account in a fucking hurry and assist the authorities in every way possible to find the sickos producing and publishing that shit.

BTW, good job Will76.

[NTSS]

once again...nice work Will76

[crockett]

Nothing new.. what would be a real find, would be to find a site with CP and Torrents that didn't have AFF ads on it.

[munki]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

What are you insinuating?!?

Just because AFFs ads repeatedly show up on sites with illegal and stolen content, doesn't mean that they are any more responsible/culpable than the poor innocent people running those sites. It's just a few bad apples afterall.

Everyone knows that the reason such sites generate so much traffic is because everyone is swapping their grandmother's recipes for apple pie and other wholesome stuff that they hold the copyrights to.

Anyone suggesting that by purchasing ad space or making payouts to affiliates that either run or help finance such sites is enabling criminal enterprises, doesn't know the meaning of conspiracy or organized crime.

I'm sure AFF has no knowledge that any copyrighted material is ever illegally posted, or that cp and other illegal content is posted, on big traffic sites where their ads appear, even though to the uninformed it might appear that the higher their traffic and profits from such sites, the harder it seems for AFF to notice it and react quickly to it.

I'm sure AFF would be shocked to learn that their company is in any way associated with companies that are essentially nothing but criminal enterprises, acting under the guise of legal P2P networks on the forefront of supporting freedom and free speech (unlike the fascists who think that simply because they finance and create content, that it shouldn't be free for anyone to share on a web site enabled/underwritten/financed by people whose companies are not the victims of stolen content).

It is the duty of people that finance and create artistic works to give it away free so that companies like AFF can profit from it.

And it doesn't matter how many tens or hundreds of thousands of times illegal content is downloaded, I'm pretty sure AFF will get after it promptly (give or take a few 10-100,000 downloads), because gosh darn it, they take such matters seriously.

If the same content pops up elsewhere on the same site alongside their ads in the next day, week or month afterwards, they will be equally diligent, even if they have to keep doing it over and over again for as long as it takes until people quit pointing it out to them.

To show the crooks a lesson, when they uncover such nefarious practices, they will probably keep all of the bad guy's money themselves and not release it to them. Sure, some may see this as AFF profiting from both sides of illegal activity, but I say that is just being cynical.

Why, AFF even pledges a teeny weenie percentage of their profits to organizations opposed to such activity in exchange for positive press, whether they actually fulfill the pledge or not.

I'm betting that AFF will buy a drink for anyone that thinks otherwise at the next show, because that is the kind of stand-up company they are.

God forbid any of the owners of AFF's own children are ever expolited the way others kids are on sites that their company and affiliates consistently profit from. Maybe then they might view the issues of stolen copyrighted content and illegal content differently.

Have a nice weekend...

ADG

[12clicks]

I propose Will be banned.
there's nothing he's posted showing proof of CP.

[Enemator]

[Enemator]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I propose Will be banned.
there's nothing he's posted showing proof of CP.

Regardless of him having proof or not, I hope you're not suggesting he should actually post some samples here, do you?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

What are you insinuating?!?

Just because AFFs ads repeatedly show up on sites with illegal and stolen content, doesn't mean that they are any more responsible/culpable than the poor innocent people running those sites. It's just a few bad apples afterall.

Everyone knows that the reason such sites generate so much traffic is because everyone is swapping their grandmother's recipes for apple pie and other wholesome stuff that they hold the copyrights to.

Anyone suggesting that by purchasing ad space or making payouts to affiliates that either run or help finance such sites is enabling criminal enterprises, doesn't know the meaning of conspiracy or organized crime.

I'm sure AFF has no knowledge that any copyrighted material is ever illegally posted, or that cp and other illegal content is posted, on big traffic sites where their ads appear, even though to the uninformed it might appear that the higher their traffic and profits from such sites, the harder it seems for AFF to notice it and react quickly to it.

I'm sure AFF would be shocked to learn that their company is in any way associated with companies that are essentially nothing but criminal enterprises, acting under the guise of legal P2P networks on the forefront of supporting freedom and free speech (unlike the fascists who think that simply because they finance and create content, that it shouldn't be free for anyone to share on a web site enabled/underwritten/financed by people whose companies are not the victims of stolen content).

It is the duty of people that finance and create artistic works to give it away free so that companies like AFF can profit from it.

And it doesn't matter how many tens or hundreds of thousands of times illegal content is downloaded, I'm pretty sure AFF will get after it promptly (give or take a few 10-100,000 downloads), because gosh darn it, they take such matters seriously.

If the same content pops up elsewhere on the same site alongside their ads in the next day, week or month afterwards, they will be equally diligent, even if they have to keep doing it over and over again for as long as it takes until people quit pointing it out to them.

To show the crooks a lesson, when they uncover such nefarious practices, they will probably keep all of the bad guy's money themselves and not release it to them. Sure, some may see this as AFF profiting from both sides of illegal activity, but I say that is just being cynical.

Why, AFF even pledges a teeny weenie percentage of their profits to organizations opposed to such activity in exchange for positive press, whether they actually fulfill the pledge or not.

I'm betting that AFF will buy a drink for anyone that thinks otherwise at the next show, because that is the kind of stand-up company they are.

God forbid any of the owners of AFF's own children are ever expolited the way others kids are on sites that their company and affiliates consistently profit from. Maybe then they might view the issues of stolen copyrighted content and illegal content differently.

Have a nice weekend...

ADG

and you have a nice weekend as well

[tony286]

Its the work of the mysterious rogue affiliate.We have no idea where are traffic comes from, the sales come in like manna from god so we dont question their origins.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony404

Its the work of the mysterious rogue affiliate.We have no idea where are traffic comes from, the sales come in like manna from god so we dont question their origins.

And we send their checks to charity.

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I propose Will be banned.
there's nothing he's posted showing proof of CP.

There is enough proof in this thread. It took me one try to find the site in question with the information he posted.

[SleazyDream]

will76 looks at CP?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

will76 looks at CP?

yeah, funny how he just happened across it.

In my 10 years in this biz I've never happened across it.

[pornguy]

Gpod catch Will.

they wont do anything about it. they dont care.

[pornguy]

Good catch Will.

they wont do anything about it. they dont care.

[will76]

since you really want to see it, icq me and I will send you the link for your own personal viewing. I don't think GFY would appreciate me linking to a page with CP and Incest on it.

[will76]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, funny how he just happened across it.

In my 10 years in this biz I've never happened across it.

yeah funny how that just happens.

ICQ lighting is blinking on my computer. I open the message, someone says " Hey i came across this site AFF is adverising on that has CP on it, thought you might want to make a post about."

I am sure that thought never crossed your mind. Not possible.

[will76]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

will76 looks at CP?

AFF targets your domain name.
When you send traffic to AFF some of it gets hijacked by them and sent to another one of their sites where you don;t get credit from those sales.

AFF is always found on shaddy sites or involved with shaddy things.

AFF's banners are all over a site with CP and incest on it.

Someone sends me the link and info and ask me to make a post about it. i do.

Scotty's comments on all this ?

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

will76 looks at CP?

You are one sharp guy Scotty, nothing gets past you.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

You guys can say whatever the fuck you want about me, I don't give one little shit. But I HAVE accidentally run into cp. I was checking out some TGPs researching a (legal) niche, and I just kept getting redirected over and over. I had about 20 browser windows open, and all of a sudden I found myself face to face with CP. And I'm not talking 15-17 yr. old cp. I'm talking 5-6 yr. olds. So yes it can happen and no matter what else you want to say about the guy please give will76 a break on this point. You really think he's a fucking pervert or do you just not like him?

/rant

[Blazed]

You know its illegal looking at CP even if doing your own "investigation", your clearly setting out to catch there affiliates on these kinds of sites and that could land you in shit. Why use misleading titles alo?

I hope you never return to the cp site after your first visit that is also a no no and by the way you said "this is the worst yet" makes it look like you often come into contact with cp sites, whether part of your lame investigation or not you wanna hope your not reported yourself, and if you think clearing your cache hides the fact your faggot ass is always on cp then uh...

[will76]

Originally Posted by Blazed

You know its illegal looking at CP even if doing your own "investigation", your clearly setting out to catch there affiliates on these kinds of sites and that could land you in shit. Why use misleading titles alo?

I hope you never return to the cp site after your first visit that is also a no no and by the way you said "this is the worst yet" makes it look like you often come into contact with cp sites, whether part of your lame investigation or not you wanna hope your not reported yourself, and if you think clearing your cache hides the fact your faggot ass is always on cp then uh...

Listen faggot I will explain it to you real slow so you can understand it. When I said this is the worst yet, i was referring to sites that AFF has been found to be advertised on. I have never personally seen them advertised on a site with CP on it, I am going by all the other posts that other people have made here about them. This is worst then anything I have heard posted here about them.

As far as your CP comments, I will make sure to pass your concerns on to the FBI agent I am working with about this. I am sure he will be greatfull for your insight and we will both learn a lot from you and how this stuff works.

It is amazing how people who don't like me can try to find any point to bash on me, no matter how off base they are or how retarded it makes them sound, it never fails. This thread is a perfect example of it.

[Blazed]

It is amazing how people who don't like me can try to find any point to bash on me, no matter how off base they are or how retarded it makes them sound, it never fails. This thread is a perfect example of it.

Poor will, so its ok for you to bash on AFF and try to mislead people where they are concerned since you dont like them, but not against you?
Whats wrong with "AFF affiliate advertises on cp site"?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Will76

yeah funny how that just happens.

ICQ lighting is blinking on my computer. I open the message, someone says " Hey i came across this site AFF is adverising on that has CP on it, thought you might want to make a post about."

I am sure that thought never crossed your mind. Not possible.

the thought that you have friends on your icq list who surf those sites and then do their bidding on chat boards?

thats totally believable if thats the story you want to go with.

[tony286]

12 its ok a company that fucks the industry up the ass on a regular basis?You defend them are you blind?They fund free porn they are fucking you too.

[baddog]

Wait, who isn't funding free porn?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, funny how he just happened across it.

In my 10 years in this biz I've never happened across it.

i seem to recall you called out franck because you found cp on one of his sites.. infact i think you even posted a link to one of his pages

[12clicks]

tony, companies come and go, people come and go, ways of doing business come and go. Because you don't like the way they do business does not give you the right to come here and say they are advertising on CP pages and then explain how its really incest (two completely different things).
1. AFF is too big to monitor every link they have so if you see CP, send an email or icq.
2. the idea of the nieghbor having a guard dog sounds great until that dog barks all night, night after night.
3. if a company is breaking the law, call the police, otherwise STFU

[12clicks]

oh look, its chokey the bear wanting his nose rubbed in his puddle of pee again.

dear noob, I didn't happen across those pages, I found them in the referrers of one of my programs. Hence, his problem with me

now how about you go sit back on the porch with the other slow kids?


well, I'm off to dinner. someone save the internet while I'm guzzling wine, ok?

[tony286]

12 links
tony, companies come and go, people come and go, ways of doing business come and go. Because you don't like the way they do business does not give you the right to come here and say they are advertising on CP pages and then explain how its really incest (two completely different things).
1. AFF is too big to monitor every link they have so if you see CP, send an email or icq.
2. the idea of the nieghbor having a guard dog sounds great until that dog barks all night, night after night.
3. if a company is breaking the law, call the police, otherwise STFU

Where did I say these things? Reread slowly what I said then respond to me if you like.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Will, send me the site

You know I can find this shit anyway - it will just confirm what you are saying.

[tony286]

Who is funding free porn? Well when full rips of my site is on a BT surrounded by AFF ads I figure thats how they pay the bills. Now bad dog since you dont have content you worked hard to produce given away you really dont have a dog in this fight unless your trying to score brownie points.
Please dont give me this they dont know anything bullshit a 100 million dollar company and no one monitors where the traffic is coming from? Red tube is full of shit thats not theirs and full of aff ads.No one in AFF is aware of that? bullshit.Maybe you want to swallow the bullshit because it makes it easier to be their friend but I dont have to.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear noob, I didn't happen across those pages, I found them in the referrers of one of my programs. Hence, his problem with me

so what your saying is you happened across cp ..

oh look its the 12 clicks getting owned again because mouth writes checks that facts don't cash

go back to your wine old man nobody cares about your drivel..

its always amusing when someone gets owned can't admit it..

you said you never happened across cp , now your saying you did..

well pick one flake . it cant be both ..

[tony286]

I think he has already been hitting the wine hard he is blaming me for what Will posted. lol

[will76]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

the thought that you have friends on your icq list who surf those sites and then do their bidding on chat boards?

thats totally believable if thats the story you want to go with.

Let me ask you an honest questions. This board is full of surfers and trolls and idiots, i really don't take you for one of them but when you make the comments you have made in this thread it starts to make me wonder what your angle is here. Are you really stupid, or are you biased about this topic, just trying to find any spin on this to make me look bad, did you have a bad day ? I don't get it.

Where in the fuck did I say the person on ICQ was my " friend ". My ICQ number is very easy to get a hold of and has been posted on GFY for years and on sites that are listed in my sig. So your reply is fucking stupid, I don't know who the person was that contacted me and it was the first time i ever chatted with them before. Is everyone on your ICQ list friends with you too?

So instead of continuing to come back with different little spins to try make me look bad, why don;t you cut the shit and just just tell me what your agenda is ?

[Damian_Maxcash]

Will, send me the site

You know I can find this shit anyway - it will just confirm what you are saying.

Why not?