i tip %10

Forcing your employees to rattle their beggars cup by paying them abysmally low wages should be a crime.

This is precisely why I get pissed at restaurant owners. They are the ones who arent paying you what you're worth!! THEY are the ones who DO have absolutely EVERY idea how hard it is to wait on people hand and foot, and DESPITE that knowledge they continue to abuse you and the customer! lmao

You see it's politics/business done perfectly. Get the people you underpay to be pissed at the people who are there to pay you. The house always wins.

Maybe he didn't want to tip you because you're a complete asshole?

No doubt, especially the effin hobos! I was at union station in toronto the other day and some hobo asked me if I had change.. I said no.. and the hobo went "yeah right..." and walked off. Like WTF!! even if I had change I wouldnt give it to his hobo ass.

I tip well when warranted.

If you do not get me my refill before I have to ask. You loose points on the tip-o-meter.

If there is a hold up on my food, and whether your fault or not, you do not stop by to tell me there will be a delay or why. You loose points on the tip-o-meter.

If I have to ask you for anything during the course of my meal that should be common knowledge. You loose points on the tip-o-meter.

If everyone else in the restaurant brings me my food, refills my drinks, and all you did was take my order. You loose points on the tip-o-meter.

If I sit down, and you do not at least stop by, say hi, bring menus, water, etc in the first 5 minutes. You loose points on the tip-o-meter.

I tip when it warrants. If you give shitty service. You get shity tip.

The end.

I love when I hear people complain about bad tips, and yet they are always in the back telling their latest stories with their co-workers. My sister worked at a place, and would tell me a lot of the stories. I knew some of the waitresses by name there, and when I would hear about how some never made good tips. I would be like, "Well tell so and so next time to get people their soup when it's hot. Or their refills without having to ask... etc"

:disgust

But how often do you go to an establishment other than a restaurant and that is non commission based and get service that goes above and beyond?

Besides if the restaurant wants the best in service staff.. they will pay for it.. and guess who gets stuck with the bill... The patron and you are right back where we started :winkwink:

being nice doesn't always work.

if i bring a party of 8, im assuming the tip is already added. i've never known a restaurant that didnt automatically add the tip for a party of 8... be it 15% or 20%.. i'm a decent tipper and will normally add another 10-15%.

removing the auto gratuity was really dumb and greedy.. if you left it on, he couldve still gave you more dipshit.

i'd tell you to gfy but sounds like you already did.
hope it felt reaaaaaaaaaaal goooooooooood.

just last week i paid pizza hut delivery boy $35 in quarters.. (the bill was $27). i let him keep the plastic tub i put them in as an added tip. .. i had called them and told them i only had a $100 and bring change and instead of just saying "ok" which is really all i want to hear when i tell someone what to do, they said he didnt have change and could i just give him the $100 and he'd go get change.

um no

now you got change mo.

as long as you learn from it, just move on.
no sense in being a pussy about it

bartenders are the ones raking it in, but its a double edge sword, you get in young, make good money and before you know it, your a 60 year old bartender that has accomplished nothing and look 95 from the rough lifestyle.

the last 3 out of 4 times i've gone to a nice place here in l.a. to eat the service was terrible. it reflected in the tip.

serving is a dying art. no one gives a shit anymore. everyone in hollywood wants to be an actor and could care less about you or your steak.

if you're a good waiter, you'd get a good tip from me, but its not a guaranteed thing. tips are given accordingly. if i get excellent service i will tip sometimes over 30%. if its bad. i will normally write 1.00 on there with a :( face so they know that they suck bad. (thats in the cases where they dont blame the kitchen, which is common). if they project terrible attitude and service level, you shouldn't be a waiter.

This is true. :1orglaugh

You could have saved time with that whole story and just put "I am an idiot".

lol @ everyone who thinks if you don't tip you're a douchebag and that tipping is expected


EXACTLY THATS THE PROBLEM, its not required, if i don't tip you, im not gonna get arrested, so shut the fuck up with all that crap.

I understand not wanting to reward bad service, but it's still service - and if you don't leave the waiter at least 8%, you're possibly putting him/her in a position where he/she has to pay out-of-pocket in order to serve you.

And that's buying a shitload of bad karma, imho.

If you don't like the level of service, leave 10-15%, and let the manager know... if he/she doesn't satisfy you - never go back.

Proper tipping's a reflection of one's level of class, I think.

Staying at home and cooking for and serving yourself is always an option. :2 cents:

I thought this thread was about Tipper "Second Helpings" Gore:

http://www.cars-suck.org/TipperBig2.jpg

Anyway, here is what I think is the definitive debate about tipping (from Reservoir Dogs):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/grap...ings23dogs.jpg

NOTE: Yeah, I know Steve Buscemi was Mr. Pink. Tarantino originally wrote the no-tipping dialog for Mr. White (Harvey Keitel). In the end, Buscemi did a great scene.

ADG

why is it so hard to grasp the fact that the menu shows the prices of what you are paying for.

the waiter is the person paid to be there, take your order and bring it to you.

tipping is not an obligation of the customer.

if i MUST tip the waiter just for being there or just for doing their job... why don't i also have the option of going to get my food myself? or placing the order myself? or grabbing a fucking menu and some water the second i walk in the goddamned door?

what the fuck is wrong with you people?????


TIPS are REWARDS for GOOD service.

tips aren't given to reward someone for just happening to be there and doing their job poorly.


fucking communists in this place.

the other 8% you were shorted equals 128.00 divided by two is 64.00 - the other tip outs you need to accomplish equals about another whopping whole 30 bucks maybe.

Threads like this make it easy to separate the scumbag assholes from the civilized people.

comments like yours make it easy to seperate the reasonable, rational and logical from over-emotional twits who act like they have had pms for most of the decade and probably prefer pets to people.

bump to see my forgotten ICQ number....


summary anyone?

You fucking crack me up, nice post. :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Is this the guy you are talking about?

http://www.agg.com/Contents/AttorneyDetail.aspx?ID=402

Realize I'm speaking from an "In America" perspective here... I realize other countries have other customs.


In America, it's customary to tip your waiter just as it's customary to give the cabbie an extra buck or 5... just like it's customary to give the skycap a buck a bag at the airport.

Like I've said, tipping's a matter of class - some got it, others don't.

I wouldn't necessarily expect those without to understand... especially if they're content in being ignorant, or take pride in being an asshole.

In the case of restaurants, it's so customary that it's actually designed into the way they conduct business. As I said in the post you quoted, if you don't tip at least 8%,it's possible you're putting the person serving you in the position of having to pay out of their own pocket for the honor of serving you. That's simple fact.

You do have an option to serve yourself or place an order yourself or whatever... stick to a counter-service restaurant if you must eat out (fast food, or what-have-you) or stay home and handle it yourself.

Who knows.

I forwarded him this thread just to be certain.

Yes, really.

:1orglaugh

realize... i am from Seattle. not sure what "america" has to do with anything.

saying someone doesn't have class for not tipping a rude or horrible waitress that made the experience terrible is just an admission to being a weak minded pussy who finds it easier to go with the flow rather than take a stand for what you believe in.

there is no sign hanging over the door of ANY restaurant ANYWHERE that says "all waitresses are entitled to tips and basically, its just a matter of class"

as has been said many times, tips are for people to offer GOOD service. thats what tips are. its about rewarding efforts that go above and beyond.

class? class has nothing to do with money. you seem to think you can buy class... sorry.... you can't. you cant throw a waitress a $5.00 bill and be "classy"

nice try.

its because of people like you that every asshole under the sun has a tip jar out or thinks they should be tipped as a matter of course.

its rediculous and pathetic.

i was listening to a talk radio show on the rock station the other day in seattle where the subject was tipping and i couldn't fucking believe how many different people and professions think you should automatically tip them. when i agree to pay XX.XX for a service ... THAT IS THE AGREEMENT. there is nothing extra unless you earned it or deserve it. end of story.

LOL, what? I didn't exactly go over-emotional there and I don't know where the rest of that even comes from. Pets? PMS? OOOOkkk......

FYI

most waitstaff in the US make less the 3.50 an hour on avg so its not what they get paid for

tips are 99% of what a waiter makes for a living

:2 cents:

i was at the quiznos (fast food joint) the other day and they had a tip jar.

i laughed and asked the guy why it was there.

you people crack me up...


"CLASS"


its about "class"


look man... i know it makes you feel better to tell yourself while you are cleaning up after letting some creepy old mans great dane pound you in the ass and you throw him a 10.00 bill. "Hmm.... that was simply delightful... AND ... i've got class" ... but "class" has nothing to do with tipping.

The guys name is Weiner, god has fucked with him enough, let him keep his money.

really? everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "scumbag asshole" and "uncivilized"

sounds like a pretty miserable life to me. that means most of your days are filled with scumbags and uncivilized people.

you might be more happy in N. Korea where your only opinion is given to you by the Glorious Leader... then there willl only be one view, everyone will agree with you and it will make suffering through your life a little easier 2 cents:

not true

i was a waiter for many years. i rarely added tip onto the bill. and i had a 25% avg tip for many years at the better houses i worked at

The same thing that 99% of the other posts on this board have to do with it..

No, but there is one that says all parties of 8 or more will have a 20% gratuity automatically added to their bills. It's just that this idiot decided to take it off the bill, and didn't mention it to the customer, so the customer probably thought he was giving a reasonable extra tip on top of the 20%.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=784623

Joe Mac a.k.a. The Real Sinatra VS Ron Weiner, 'hot shot' lawyer in Atlanta

Where did I say that everyone who doesn't agree with me is a scumbag asshole or uncivilized? I said that reading threads like this makes it easy to tell who is and who isn't. I never stated my opinion on the topic at hand, (tipping) it's just that I saw a lot of very telling statements from people, on both sides of the issue.

You're really riled up about this huh?

I thought I explained what "America" had to do with something, but to elaborate, in many European countries, the tip is built into the menu price, and the service staff take a cut from the day's sales at the end of the day just as they might pool tips and split them here in America.

Insofar as "class" goes... yeah, you can't really buy it, but I'm not suggesting that anyone's "buying" anything, man... it just is. Just because you tip, it doesn't mean that you're classy, but I do believe that the inverse is true. Stiffing a waiter (again, your right to do), in my estimation, is a pretty significant indicator that you're not a very sophisticated individual.

Putting someone in a position to have to pay for working for you - not exactly justifiable, i think.

But as I implied, I wouldn't necessarily expect you to understand. :2 cents:

Yes and thats where I hate it in the States. They should be paid their min wage by the restaurant like any other worker. All it does is put the weight of paying the employee on the customer and you feel guilted into doing it no matter the service because you know they get paid $2.50 an hour. In Canada they get min wage which is in BC $8/hr. So they get paid. I tip when good service, I tip some for ok service and none for bad service.

In the US I tip no matter what because they paid jack and its a joke. I do make sure they know why they got "less" though. The real sad part is the cost of food in the US restaurants and the Canadian restaurants is barely anything, yet the US places pay $5 less per hour to each waiter/waitress on staff. So who really is the loser and winner?

ha. good point. kinda funny actually.

i also understand the difference between a big party and the demands of that big party vs two people having lunch and situations where it can be expected to add a service charge or gratuity to the bill.

i just don't agree that some waitress in some crappy restaurant is entitled, regardless of her performance, the overall experience and whether she earned it or not.

its fine to argue as forest is that tips are considered part of their wages. but that has nothing to do with the fact that just because most people tip, that tips are an entitlement regardless of quality of service.

to me, bad service deserves nothing... great service deserves a lot... average service deserves something.