PPS+Chargeback? wtf??? - GoFuckYourself.com

JD · 11-06-2007, 08:09 PM

I've never had a chargeback from a PPS program REVShare sure but never pps....

I actually didn't even know that programs took back payouts when a charge back/refund happened with a PPS sale.

Anyone else think that's kinda lame?

RogerV · 11-06-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

I've never had a chargeback from a PPS program REVShare sure but never pps....

I actually didn't even know that programs took back payouts when a charge back/refund happened with a PPS sale.

Anyone else think that's kinda lame?

We dont do it

KrisKross · 11-06-2007, 08:14 PM

Some programs do it, some don't. Personally, I think it's fair. Chargebacks cost the site money.

JD · 11-06-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Some programs do it, some don't. Personally, I think it's fair. Chargebacks cost the site money.

yeah but with a PPS program I think it's pretty fair to payout anyway. The "rules" are different with PPS imo...

btw, the program in question is Incredible Dollars

p1mpdogg · 11-06-2007, 09:10 PM

we do it, but only 25 bucks.

we lose the money we paid you, PLUS the cb fee.

why should i eat the 37 bucks for your pps plus the 25 bucks for the cb itself???

so i am to lose $50+ just becuase you thinks its lame?

dont think so

After Shock Media · 11-06-2007, 09:11 PM

We all know many pps programs have several cross sales (er value added). They also may have not the very best in members areas, plenty of upsales and many other gizmo's that piss the living hell out of a buyer. Sure they are not all that way but many are.

Now joe surfer buys a free or 1.00 trial. You get paid. You should be done. But no, joe surfer gets his cc statement and it has a bill for 97.50. Few missed pre-checked cross sales on free trials that upgraded, etc. He calls visa and says WTF! and viola they all get erased. Now who's fault is it, I mean is it the affiliates?

Only way you can say yes if if you think the affiliates are to blame for demanding higher PPS payouts.

StuartD · 11-06-2007, 09:15 PM

I think as an affiliate, you become a business partner... I mean, what else would you describe a 50/50 per sale deal as?
PPS even more so as you're making more than what the sale is... if they don't rebill.

Therefore, if you send a customer that does a chargeback, as a business partner, you should also be responsible for recouping your share of that cost.

p1mpdogg · 11-06-2007, 09:17 PM

cross sales are irrelevant if they are unchecked

TidalWave · 11-06-2007, 09:19 PM

exactly, you brought the customer but the customer you brought has chargebacked, yet you should keep the money when the program loses all of it + the cb fee?

dont think so, how is that fair?

JD · 11-06-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

exactly, you brought the customer but the customer you brought has chargebacked, yet you should keep the money when the program loses all of it + the cb fee?

dont think so, how is that fair?

because it's a PAY PER SIGN UP program. not a revshare. I'm fine with charge backs on revshare programs I did my part and brought the SIGN UP.

It's not my fault their members area didn't make that guy happy

p1mpdogg · 11-06-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

exactly, you brought the customer but the customer you brought has chargebacked, yet you should keep the money when the program loses all of it + the cb fee?

dont think so, how is that fair?

its not, but affiliates are whiny little bitches and want you to hand them everything ona silver platter.

they demand the world and give shit in return but headaches usually.

programs have trained affiliates this way though. its not even the affiliates fault. programs are ruining this industry almost as much as the idiots giving away tons of free porn

p1mpdogg · 11-06-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

because it's a PAY PER SIGN UP program. not a revshare. I'm fine with charge backs on revshare programs I did my part and brought the SIGN UP.

It's not my fault their members area didn't make that guy happy

ok, so its just the member sarea to blame?

it cant be the fact you sent a shitty sale becuae they are trained at charging back?

you take 0 responsibilty is what you are sayingg. all your sales are top notch people that dont ever try and fuck over the system by charging back?

unreal how some of you think.

After Shock Media · 11-06-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

cross sales are irrelevant if they are unchecked

Well then that would be different. I have seen some with 3 pre checked.

Seriously though if it is not actual fraud or even apparent fraud, why should the affiliate eat it?

Then again I do very little PPS anymore so I am used to splitting chargebacks.

After Shock Media · 11-06-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

ok, so its just the member sarea to blame?

it cant be the fact you sent a shitty sale becuae they are trained at charging back?

you take 0 responsibilty is what you are sayingg. all your sales are top notch people that dont ever try and fuck over the system by charging back?

unreal how some of you think.

But as you said earlier affiliate programs have trained the affiliates that way.

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 09:31 PM

I find it amazing that Sperminator was able to get a join.

Mom found out about it, didn't she?

kovacs · 11-06-2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks for the heads up... Striking Incredible Dollars from the list of sponsors to try!

JD · 11-06-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I find it amazing that Sperminator was able to get a join.

Mom found out about it, didn't she?

Wtf? Fuck off troll.

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

Wtf? Fuck off troll.

Still hassling hosts for going waaay over your bandwidth and being unable to pay the $90 that month?

JD · 11-06-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Still hassling hosts for going waaay over your bandwidth and being unable to pay the $90 that month?

what? you're on drugs

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

what? you're on drugs

In case if you don't recall, you attempted very similar things to try to extort free hosting because you felt you were not getting 'as good of service' as you would, when you were on your very own budget plan because you couldn't afford a full plan.

I don't doubt you had a join; I just doubt any legitimacy within it.

JD · 11-06-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

In case if you don't recall, you attempted very similar things to try to extort free hosting because you felt you were not getting 'as good of service' as you would, when you were on your very own budget plan because you couldn't afford a full plan.

I don't doubt you had a join; I just doubt any legitimacy within it.

i have NO idea what you're talking about dude. Post links/proof or stfu.

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

i have NO idea what you're talking about dude. Post links/proof or stfu.

I'll dig through two years of support email, just because you pissed me off, and I hold a grudge.

JD · 11-06-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I'll dig through two years of support email, just because you pissed me off, and I hold a grudge.

What hosting company are you with/were with?

Good luck with your search... I doubt you'll find anything of the "extortion" sort though...

jimb · 11-06-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

yeah but with a PPS program I think it's pretty
fair to payout anyway. The "rules" are different with PPS imo...

btw, the program in question is Incredible Dollars

We take the risk of conversions on a PPS, that doesn't mean we take
the risk of having a fraudulent transaction run through our system.

You can contact me direct and I can disclose the entire join record for you straight from NATS. I do not want to disclose any more details about the transaction in public, however a chargeback did occur extremely quick, within the first day of the join.

Contact Information:
================
ICQ: 333-300-283
Skype: jimbjimbjimb
Email: [email protected]

All affiliates run into fraud at times, we understand this and ask that everyone realize we cannot pay out on these joins. We eat the $20+ for a chargeback fee, the processing fees (which do not get refunded), and the risk of loosing one of our merchant accounts.

We have advanced systems in place for Fraud Defense and one of the best customer service call centers working 24/7 by Phone, Live Chat, and Email. Sometimes even with all of the measures in place fraud can slip through the cracks and get into our system. I assure you this is very rare and we deal with fraud in a very serious manner.

I hope that this isolated incident does not tarnish your outlook on us as an affiliate program, we work very hard to please our affiliates. Please do not hesitate to contact anyone from the Incredible Dollars Team if you have any questions or concerns.

Jim

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

What hosting company are you with/were with?

Good luck with your search... I doubt you'll find anything of the "extortion" sort though...

I handled system support email for a few clients, but at the time, this would have been t2.

"Extortion" is a bit strong of a term; perhaps the 'I don't feel I should have to pay because..' is a much more apropos statement. Extortion implies malice. I don't think your intent is directly malice.

I've managed to find/recover 3 of your emails from the sixblack domain from Q3/06, and although all of them were where you were complaining about your custom budget P3 hosting plan, none of them were directly implying that you'd go to GFY and complain.

jimb · 11-06-2007, 10:10 PM

Just to be clear,

JD has an upstanding account with us at Incredible Dollars and was the victim of a fraudulent member.

Jim

JD · 11-06-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I handled system support email for a few clients, but at the time, this would have been t2.

"Extortion" is a bit strong of a term; perhaps the 'I don't feel I should have to pay because..' is a much more apropos statement. Extortion implies malice. I don't think your intent is directly malice.

I've managed to find/recover 3 of your emails from the sixblack domain from Q3/06, and although all of them were where you were complaining about your custom budget P3 hosting plan, none of them were directly implying that you'd go to GFY and complain.

gotcha. Well the tear2 box thing wasn't custom asfaik. Jim told me it was a "special" they were running.

please forward these emails if you don't mind. [email protected]

JD · 11-06-2007, 10:26 PM

GrouchyAdmin check your icq please

NTSS · 11-06-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

its not, but affiliates are whiny little bitches and want you to hand them everything ona silver platter.

they demand the world and give shit in return but headaches usually.

programs have trained affiliates this way though. its not even the affiliates fault. programs are ruining this industry almost as much as the idiots giving away tons of free porn

I thought you had changed your ways?

Remember this?

"hi everyone. im back and much nicer now. lets get to know trey not pimpdog. coo?"
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/781022-hi-im-nicer-trey-pimpdog-coo.html

You're still the same as before...

JD · 11-06-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NTSS

I thought you had changed your ways?

Remember this?

"hi everyone. im back and much nicer now. lets get to know trey not pimpdog. coo?"
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/781022-hi-im-nicer-trey-pimpdog-coo.html

You're still the same as before...

you can take the prick out of gfy but you can't take the gfy out of the prick. or something like that :D

11-06-2007, 08:09 PM	#1
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	PPS+Chargeback? wtf??? I've never had a chargeback from a PPS program REVShare sure but never pps.... I actually didn't even know that programs took back payouts when a charge back/refund happened with a PPS sale. Anyone else think that's kinda lame?

11-06-2007, 08:14 PM	#3
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,025	Some programs do it, some don't. Personally, I think it's fair. Chargebacks cost the site money. __________________

11-06-2007, 09:10 PM	#5
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	we do it, but only 25 bucks. we lose the money we paid you, PLUS the cb fee. why should i eat the 37 bucks for your pps plus the 25 bucks for the cb itself??? so i am to lose $50+ just becuase you thinks its lame? dont think so __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

11-06-2007, 09:11 PM	#6
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	We all know many pps programs have several cross sales (er value added). They also may have not the very best in members areas, plenty of upsales and many other gizmo's that piss the living hell out of a buyer. Sure they are not all that way but many are. Now joe surfer buys a free or 1.00 trial. You get paid. You should be done. But no, joe surfer gets his cc statement and it has a bill for 97.50. Few missed pre-checked cross sales on free trials that upgraded, etc. He calls visa and says WTF! and viola they all get erased. Now who's fault is it, I mean is it the affiliates? Only way you can say yes if if you think the affiliates are to blame for demanding higher PPS payouts. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

11-06-2007, 09:15 PM	#7
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	I think as an affiliate, you become a business partner... I mean, what else would you describe a 50/50 per sale deal as? PPS even more so as you're making more than what the sale is... if they don't rebill. Therefore, if you send a customer that does a chargeback, as a business partner, you should also be responsible for recouping your share of that cost. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

11-06-2007, 09:17 PM	#8
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	cross sales are irrelevant if they are unchecked __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

11-06-2007, 09:19 PM	#9
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	exactly, you brought the customer but the customer you brought has chargebacked, yet you should keep the money when the program loses all of it + the cb fee? dont think so, how is that fair? __________________ www.SwiftNode.com

11-06-2007, 09:31 PM	#15
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	I find it amazing that Sperminator was able to get a join. Mom found out about it, didn't she? __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

11-06-2007, 09:34 PM	#16
kovacs So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 248	Thanks for the heads up... Striking Incredible Dollars from the list of sponsors to try!

11-06-2007, 10:10 PM	#26
jimb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 2,514	Just to be clear, JD has an upstanding account with us at Incredible Dollars and was the victim of a fraudulent member. Jim

11-06-2007, 10:26 PM	#28
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	GrouchyAdmin check your icq please