How to argue on Forums/boards: Faulty logic lesson # 1 - GoFuckYourself.com

$5 submissions · 11-06-2007, 06:28 PM

http://changingminds.org/disciplines...s/a_appeal.htm

A common form of fallacy is, rather than to present an objective argument that stands on its own legs, makes some form of appeal, pleading with the listeners to accept a point without further questioning.

$5 submissions · 11-06-2007, 06:28 PM

Here's the list:

* Appeal to Authority: Referencing an 'expert'.
* Appeal to Belief: see Appeal to Common Belief.
* Appeal to Common Belief: If others believe it to be true, it must be true.
* Appeal to Common Practice: If others do it, it must be ok to do it too.
* Appeal to Consequences of a Belief: see Wishful thinking
* Appeal to Fear: Gaining compliance through threat.
* Appeal to Force: see Appeal to Fear
* Appeal to Emotion: If it feels good, it must be true.
* Appeal to Ignorance: see Argument from ignorance
* Appeal to Novelty: Newer is better.
* Appeal to Pity: Going for the sympathy vote.
* Appeal to Ridicule: Mocking the other person's claim.
* Appeal to Sympathy: see Appeal to Pity
* Appeal to Tradition: It has always been done this way, so this way is right.

yahoo-xxx-girls.com · 11-06-2007, 06:33 PM

$5 submissions,

Do you hire someone to write this crap?

Hmmmmm... appeal to common sense?

^^

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$5 submissions · 11-06-2007, 06:35 PM

^^

That's more of an ATTACK THE PERSON argument. lol

Here's more info on ATTACK THE PERSON (Ad hominem)

Attack the person in some way. For example:

* Attack their expertise, telling they are not expert
* Criticise their physical appearance or dress
* Comment on their inability to make a good argument
* Point out their junior status
* Attack their values as being contrary to social norms

Example

You are not qualified to make such a statement.

You would say that, wouldn't you.

And who do you think is going to believe you.

Of course you will defend your own department.
Discussion

Attacking the Person is a form of distraction, forcing them into defense and away from their argument. Most people, when personally attacked are form a fight-or-flight reaction, and will either jump to their own defense or will cognitively flee (and in doing so, will drop any argument they are making).

Attacking others in public frames you as an aggressive person who attacks those who oppose you. Other people there will be less likely to attack you or use strong arguments against you, thus strengthening your power position.

A sub-division: Abusive Ad Hominem is where the person is attacked and discredited. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs where an excuse is made for the person which negates their argument due to some special circumstances, such as the role they have.

Source: http://changingminds.org/disciplines...ack_person.htm

fatfoo · 11-06-2007, 08:35 PM

fuck you, and your crew... this post is ridiculous.

(Appeal to Ridicule)

yahoo-xxx-girls.com · 11-06-2007, 08:43 PM

Actually $5 submissions, that was not a personal attack; now if I had said you were a funny looking little GIT who could only create crap threads as to hide ones superiority complex, then perhaps it could be considered a personal attack.

But I really do not think so... ^^

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The Demon · 11-06-2007, 09:30 PM

thanks for the lessons in logical reasoning 101. It totally didn't sound like you were trying to be a pseudointellectual. I'd be surprised if even 1% of this forum understands what you were talking about.

GrouchyAdmin · 11-06-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

Actually $5 submissions, that was not a personal attack; now if I had said you were a funny looking little GIT who could only create crap threads as to hide ones superiority complex, then perhaps it could be considered a personal attack.

But I really do not think so... ^^

.

Ok, I gotta give Blah this one. I laughed.

$5 submissions · 11-06-2007, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

thanks for the lessons in logical reasoning 101. It totally didn't sound like you were trying to be a pseudointellectual. I'd be surprised if even 1% of this forum understands what you were talking about.

Thanks, I was just sharing the link. But it is quite applicable to many of the threads on forums in general.

It's all good

11-06-2007, 06:28 PM	#1
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	How to argue on Forums/boards: Faulty logic lesson # 1 http://changingminds.org/disciplines...s/a_appeal.htm A common form of fallacy is, rather than to present an objective argument that stands on its own legs, makes some form of appeal, pleading with the listeners to accept a point without further questioning. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-06-2007, 06:28 PM	#2
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Here's the list: * Appeal to Authority: Referencing an 'expert'. * Appeal to Belief: see Appeal to Common Belief. * Appeal to Common Belief: If others believe it to be true, it must be true. * Appeal to Common Practice: If others do it, it must be ok to do it too. * Appeal to Consequences of a Belief: see Wishful thinking * Appeal to Fear: Gaining compliance through threat. * Appeal to Force: see Appeal to Fear * Appeal to Emotion: If it feels good, it must be true. * Appeal to Ignorance: see Argument from ignorance * Appeal to Novelty: Newer is better. * Appeal to Pity: Going for the sympathy vote. * Appeal to Ridicule: Mocking the other person's claim. * Appeal to Sympathy: see Appeal to Pity * Appeal to Tradition: It has always been done this way, so this way is right. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-06-2007, 06:33 PM	#3
yahoo-xxx-girls.com Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,143	$5 submissions, Do you hire someone to write this crap? Hmmmmm... appeal to common sense? ^^ . __________________ sig too big

11-06-2007, 06:35 PM	#4
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	^^ That's more of an ATTACK THE PERSON argument. lol Here's more info on ATTACK THE PERSON (Ad hominem) Attack the person in some way. For example: * Attack their expertise, telling they are not expert * Criticise their physical appearance or dress * Comment on their inability to make a good argument * Point out their junior status * Attack their values as being contrary to social norms Example You are not qualified to make such a statement. You would say that, wouldn't you. And who do you think is going to believe you. Of course you will defend your own department. Discussion Attacking the Person is a form of distraction, forcing them into defense and away from their argument. Most people, when personally attacked are form a fight-or-flight reaction, and will either jump to their own defense or will cognitively flee (and in doing so, will drop any argument they are making). Attacking others in public frames you as an aggressive person who attacks those who oppose you. Other people there will be less likely to attack you or use strong arguments against you, thus strengthening your power position. A sub-division: Abusive Ad Hominem is where the person is attacked and discredited. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs where an excuse is made for the person which negates their argument due to some special circumstances, such as the role they have. Source: http://changingminds.org/disciplines...ack_person.htm __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-06-2007, 08:35 PM	#5
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	fuck you, and your crew... this post is ridiculous. (Appeal to Ridicule) __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

11-06-2007, 08:43 PM	#6
yahoo-xxx-girls.com Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,143	"Appeal to Ignorance" ... ^^ Actually $5 submissions, that was not a personal attack; now if I had said you were a funny looking little GIT who could only create crap threads as to hide ones superiority complex, then perhaps it could be considered a personal attack. But I really do not think so... ^^ . __________________ sig too big

11-06-2007, 09:30 PM	#7
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	thanks for the lessons in logical reasoning 101. It totally didn't sound like you were trying to be a pseudointellectual. I'd be surprised if even 1% of this forum understands what you were talking about.