Question for the NEOCONS on the forum (daddyhalbucks)

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

This "little" man believes in an ideology, Jihad (the struggle), with same concepts you will find in Mein Kampf (my struggle)... somewhere between 10-20% of the muslims worldwide believes in Jihad, and with over 1.5 billion muslims you can do the math.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem that fought the palestine cause after the world war, was already cooperating with the nazis pre -and during the world war. Since then the nazi methods have inspired the pan arabic movement. Today you see same sort of propaganda, same brainwashing of their kids (like the Hitler-jugend), same sort of controlling the weaker majority, same sort of manipulating the outside world.... and their enemy number one are the jews.

You know, Israel attacked Iraqs nuclear facilities in the 80's. Don't you think they will do that to Iran too, with that danger hanging facing them? That would be a very dangerous situation, so why not learn from history and do something about it now?

Negative, you're forgetting that Iran is shiite and not sunni, therefore they are totally forbidden to attack anyone unless it is in retaliation for an attack on them.

Originally Posted by pleasuregays

riiight. your position is that all the developed countries in the western world took extraordinary steps, including parlimentary votes to condem a head of state for his remarks... and never bothered to check the facts?

you're brilliant.

you're right. i'm sorry. the EU Parliment and other nations spend their days voting on resolutions to condemn the gossip of the day. totally normal. its actually official protocol. i'm sorry.

i apologize to you and the entire basis of your weak assed retarded argument... wikipedia

You seriously can't be this retarded, the trans script is there for you to read, you're either just believing what you want to believe or you actually are mentally insane.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

They founded and support hezbollah....whats your point? they build schools, hospitals, roads, and all kinds of facilities to help poor people. Don't tell me they are terrorists because they fought people invading their own land.

I concede this point.

Just because a country doesn't believe in, or support the 'west' doesn't make them a terrorist.

They could think the same about us coming in to bitch slap all these smaller, less industrious countries and meddle in their affairs constantly. If you were the small fry and had some other countries constantly telling you what you could and could not do, how would you feel?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by buzzy

You seriously can't be this retarded, the trans script is there for you to read, you're either just believing what you want to believe or you actually are mentally insane.

well... lets take a careful look at whats going on here.

1) a lunatic gets elected as president and goes on a rampage making insane, inflamatory, insensitive and innapropriate statements for a couple years.

2) he continually finds himself in a position where he has to backtrack and explain himself and try to spin it as the political consequences begin to compound

3) you wake up one day and decide you are tired of being a total idiot

4) you intentionally bait people into an argument you think is easily winnable and even if you fuck it all up, you know that due to the nature of the remarks, many will take your side no matter how dumb you appear to be.

5) you make some moronic remarks

6) being caught making moronic remarks... you panic and find a page on wikipedia that will serve as the entire basis of your argument. furthermore, you ignore the fact that same page goes on to spell out a lot of the other similarly stupid shit he said.

7) you ignore the fact that the info on that page explaining what was said was an explanation presented by his own office. he said what was said, then said what he meant. its not a "transcript" of a conversation.

its defininately not some objective translation by a non-profit group of cod fishermen in Iceland who have no interest in spinning it in a positive way as you are trying to pretend.

8) you are already in a corner and forced as well to ignore the fact that most of the developed world strongly conemned his remarks... including allies and general pussies like france.

9) the comical part about you having to ignore the above is that you are then forced to argue that NO ONE (i.e. all countries and heads of state involved) bothered to get to the bottom of what was said BEFORE getting all worked up about it and going on record condemning what was said.

10) now your fucked. you look silly...so you pick on my spelling... and basically find yourself defending a lunatic and his explanation of what was said in spite of the fact that he has an extensive record of saying similar things.

11) so there you are. hurt. alone. confused. not entirely sure how you always end up looking like a moron. "i know i'm not this dumb" you say to yourself. "when i play world of warcraft, my team of 10 year olds really like me... i'm really popular, smart and funny... maybe GFY is the problem"

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well... lets take a careful look at whats going on here.

1) a lunatic gets elected as president and goes on a rampage making insane, inflamatory, insensitive and innapropriate statements for a couple years.

2) he continually finds himself in a position where he has to backtrack and explain himself and try to spin it as the political consequences begin to compound

3) you wake up one day and decide you are tired of being a total idiot

4) you intentionally bait people into an argument you think is easily winnable and even if you fuck it all up, you know that due to the nature of the remarks, many will take your side no matter how dumb you appear to be. You can see how weak your argument is, resorting to lame insults instead of debating...seems like the last line of defense for idiots.

5) you make some moronic remarks

6) being caught making moronic remarks... you panic and find a page on wikipedia that will serve as the entire basis of your argument. furthermore, you ignore the fact that same page goes on to spell out a lot of the other similarly stupid shit he said.

7) you ignore the fact that the info on that page explaining what was said was an explanation presented by his own office. he said what was said, then said what he meant. its not a "transcript" of a conversation.

its defininately not some objective translation by a non-profit group of cod fishermen in Iceland who have no interest in spinning it in a positive way as you are trying to pretend.

8) you are already in a corner and forced as well to ignore the fact that most of the developed world strongly conemned his remarks... including allies and general pussies like france.

9) the comical part about you having to ignore the above is that you are then forced to argue that NO ONE (i.e. all countries and heads of state involved) bothered to get to the bottom of what was said BEFORE getting all worked up about it and going on record condemning what was said.

10) now your fucked. you look silly...so you pick on my spelling... and basically find yourself defending a lunatic and his explanation of what was said in spite of the fact that he has an extensive record of saying similar things.

11) so there you are. hurt. alone. confused. not entirely sure how you always end up looking like a moron. "i know i'm not this dumb" you say to yourself. "when i play world of warcraft, my team of 10 year olds really like me... i'm really popular, smart and funny... maybe GFY is the problem"

Can you speak urdu? Nope, go back to school kid . Wiping zionism from the pages of time can EASILY be spun into "Wiping Israel off the map". Since you're so smart, go learn urdu yourself, watch the video and tell me what he said.

[buzzy]

It shows how weak your argument is by just throwing insults and not actually having any argument AT ALL, you can tell who the kids are on this forum, seems throwing random insults is the last line of defense for retards.

[Tom_PM]

If a world leader is speaking on a world stage and using a language that he knows is unknown to the world, saying shit he knows will be controversial to the world, he's a fucking complete moron. How can anyone not see that.

[Tom_PM]

By the way, what the hell does neocon have to do with it. Is this about some obscure language or about american politics? blah

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Can you speak urdu?

son, let me whisper something in your ear that you clearly fail to grasp.

being able to speak urdu is not a sign of intelligence but merely a sign of low breeding.
Its like bragging about being able to grunt neanderthal

[buzzy]

LOL, funny stuff.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Can you speak urdu? Nope, go back to school kid . Wiping zionism from the pages of time can EASILY be spun into "Wiping Israel off the map". Since you're so smart, go learn urdu yourself, watch the video and tell me what he said.

for your own sake, i sincerely hope that you're an attractive, cum addicted blond with a tight body that swallows and loves it in the ass.

being supported by someone with a brain that will do all the thinking for you is the only way i can imagine you living any kind of decent or somewhat functional life.

untangle your high heels from your hoop earings for a second, try to focus on something besides cock, red sports cars and jewlery to think about what you just said....

i dont speak "urdu" means i'm wrong
you don't speak "urdu" means you're right

haha. are you friends with my wife? seems like i've had this kind of conversation before.

and lastly, in your final retreat from reason and logic, you conclude by insisting that this particular language is unusually vulnerable and succeptable to political spin.

wow.

[buzzy]

LOL you mention logic when the basis of your argument is throwing insults. Good job.

[Tom_PM]

Careful not to misinterpret what he said to you!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well... lets take a careful look at whats going on here.

1) a lunatic gets elected as president and goes on a rampage making insane, inflamatory, insensitive and innapropriate statements for a couple years.

2) he continually finds himself in a position where he has to backtrack and explain himself and try to spin it as the political consequences begin to compound

Leave Dubya out of this

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

so nations and leaders of the world quickly condemned statements that were never made?




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...27/wiran27.xml

Wipe Israel off map, says Iran's president

He made the statement, but leaders around the world used the opportunity to spin the wording into something that it was not.

Let's go over a few points concerning "wiping Israel off the map."

- He believes that Jews should never have been given a state in the Arab world. That it is a great cause of conflict between the east and the west.

- He questions why the people of Palestine, who had absolutely noting to do with WW2, lost most of their land to Jews who fled Europe.

- His statements that Israel will no longer exist one day are not meant to imply a violent death to Jews, but a belief that Europe or the US will establish a new home for Israel outside of the Arab world.


It's very important that Americans do not buy into the media and government spin on his words. Stuff like this is what drums up support for wars that people end up regretting.

[Barefootsies]

One. Correct me if I am wrong, but the land belonged to the Jews prior to being expelled from their land by Egypt.

Palestine was occupied by the British during WW2, and they told Jews it would be a safe haven for them to flee to from the Germans.

Also, to say that Muslims had no part to play in WW2 (or WWI for that matter) you might want to check your history chief. You can start with the Ottoman's in WWI and move your way into WWII and the formation of the Bathe party and their influence by the Nazi's. As well as the movement for a new Arab Union that would have included the middle east, and northern Africa.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

One. Correct me if I am wrong, but the land belonged to the Jews prior to being expelled from their land by Egypt.

Palestine was occupied by the British during WW2, and they told Jews it would be a safe haven for them to flee to from the Germans.

Also, to say that Muslims had no part to play in WW2 (or WWI for that matter) you might want to check your history chief. You can start with the Ottoman's in WWI and move your way into WWII and the formation of the Bathe party and their influence by the Nazi's. As well as the movement for a new Arab Union that would have included the middle east, and northern Africa.

The point is, you can't just move into a land where Muslims have been living for the past 700 years and say "We are god's chosen people, get the fuck out or we will kill you" which is basically what happened, making jerusalem an international city will be a good start. You're right it was a british mandate but it was part of our empire so we basically just claimed the land.

no justice, no peace. though you are right about the ottomans

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

The point is, you can't just move into a land where Muslims have been living for the past 700 years and say "We are god's chosen people, get the fuck out or we will kill you" which is basically what happened, making jerusalem an international city will be a good start. You're right it was a british mandate but it was part of our empire so we basically just claimed the land.

no justice, no peace. though you are right about the ottomans

Boundaries of conquered lands had, and have been redrawn over the centuries. Just as it was done in Europe, and the middle east after both wars and beyond.

Right or wrong. That's how it's always been done even further back in time to the different kingdoms. Those who are conquered have no say in the matter.

Besides that, if they land belonged to Jews for the however many years prior to the Muslims throwing THEM out, then too fucking bad. We can call it the spoils of war, or sweet justice.

On another note, the British offered to make Palestine a two state solution back the the inception of Isreal, but the Arabs wouldn't have it. So that proposal was put on the sidelines.

The Arabs wanted to gamble, rolled the dice and they lost. They should have taken the two state solution back then. They then attacked Israel and lost even more of their lands. Which they want back, and Israel is keeping. Again, spoils of war.

Don't blame the Jews, and west for all the errors of the Muslims. They dug their own hole siding with the Germans.

[buzzy]

The two state solution offered was a joke, it was like less than a 3rd the size of what they are entitled to.

Anyway first step is for Israel to comply with UN Resolution 1967, withdrawing from gaza and the west bank.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

The two state solution offered was a joke, it was like less than a 3rd the size of what they are entitled to.

Anyway first step is for Israel to comply with UN Resolution 1967, withdrawing from gaza and the west bank.

It belonged to the British to divide, or not, anyway they saw fit.

Again, the greedy Muslims wanted it their way as a conquered, or occupied nation. Wrong. Silly Muslims.

They then attacked Israel and lost more of their land. Which they do not have to give back if they do not want to.

Funny how you argue that Israel should give back conquered lands when your Arabs attacked them. But somehow the same Arabs do not think they should have to give back Israel's lands to the Jews since they had been thrown out 700 years prior.

How ironic. Don't ya think?

[Barefootsies]

The fact of the matter is that the Muslim's blind hatred of the Jews and infidels has cost them land, among many other things over the centuries. They were conquered. They sided with the Nazi's not once, but twice. The Ottoman and Persian areas were all redrawn over these wars and time periods.

The Arabs and Muslims can start with taking RESPONSIBILITY for their bad choices and blind hatred for other cultures and nations. Not just the Jews.

Then you can talk to me about 'fairness'.

[buzzy]

the jewish population of palestine was around 15%, but atm im talking about AFTER the state of Israel was created - they are still violating the UN resolution of 1967.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

the jewish population of palestine was around 15%, but atm im talking about AFTER the state of Israel was created - they are still violating the UN resolution of 1967.

What part of previous posts don't you understand?

Arabs attacked Israel. Not once. Twice. They lost.

Israel gets to keep the land like many before in other wars all over the globe for centuries. It's called the spoils of war.

The end.

[buzzy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Resolution_242

What Israel captured, became the state of israel im not denying that, what im denying (and the UN) is the Israeli right to be occupieing the west bank and gaza, which aren't part of the state of israel.

[IllTestYourGirls]

You realize neo-cons can be either Dems and Reps right?

Good questions though.

Originally Posted by buzzy

My first question is,

1.Why is one of the most hostile countries on the planet permitted to have loads of nukes and not even be in the nuclear non proliferation act? (Iran is in the nuclear non proliferation act btw).

2. I challenge you to show me at least one reason why Iran is a threat, weve already concluded the "Wiping israel off the map" is a myth, they're not building nukes since they are being monitored pretty much 24/7 by the IAEA and they say iran aren't building nukes. Who would you believe, the international atomic energy agency or Bush?

Don't be gullable and get pulled into another war, because this time it will affect YOUR lives and mine and nobody want's that to happen!

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Resolution_242

What Israel captured, became the state of israel im not denying that, what im denying (and the UN) is the Israeli right to be occupieing the west bank and gaza, which aren't part of the state of israel.

Well I guess the lesson for the Arabs is...

Don't attack Israel and lose. Then they will not keep your land.

[buzzy]

Yeah ok, You're right and the UN is wrong.

"Don't attack Israel" lol...the jewish people invaded THEM so they attacked them. it's called LOGIC

[spacedog]

Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction, & Iran certainly don't have any nukes.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Yeah ok, You're right and the UN is wrong.

"Don't attack Israel" lol...the jewish people invaded THEM so they attacked them. it's called LOGIC

Right. Something you do not have.

How many Arabs countries in the past, or present are not following UN resolutions? Think about it, and get back to me after your blind raging Jewish hatred hardon passes.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

What part of previous posts don't you understand?

Arabs attacked Israel. Not once. Twice. They lost.

Israel gets to keep the land like many before in other wars all over the globe for centuries. It's called the spoils of war.

The end.

Actually, they attacked Israel on three different occasions and lost. Not to mention that there were close to a million Jewish refugees from Arab countries that lived there hundreds of years before the creation of Islam that were driven out and had their money, property, and land seized. Everyone is in such a rush to want to address the Palestinian problem, even though Jewish refugees lost way more land to the Arabs than the other way around

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by buzzy

They founded and support hezbollah....whats your point? they build schools, hospitals, roads, and all kinds of facilities to help poor people. Don't tell me they are terrorists because they fought people invading their own land.

They founded Hizbollah to build schools? Yeah, right!
This happened during the civil war, brought by Arafat. Wake up!

[buzzy]

I didn't say they were founded TO build schools idiot, TODAY they build schools, hospitals etc and facilities. They were founded to stop Israel from illegally occupieing southern Lebanon.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by buzzy

I didn't say they were founded TO build schools idiot, TODAY they build schools, hospitals etc and facilities. They were founded to stop Israel from illegally occupieing southern Lebanon.

Who cares about they are building schools, or training camps as other call it? That does not justify terror or support of terror, as Iran do.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Who cares about they are building schools, or training camps as other call it? That does not justify terror or support of terror, as Iran do.

I tought it was Syria that supported Terra ... or was it Saudia Arabia ... naw, it is Al Quaeda ... or wasn't it Iraq ...

Terra is so confusing .... Thank GOD that the USA are there with their peace keeping troups in over 40 countries ....

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

I tought it was Syria that supported Terra ... or was it Saudia Arabia ... naw, it is Al Quaeda ... or wasn't it Iraq ...

Terra is so confusing .... Thank GOD that the USA are there with their peace keeping troups in over 40 countries ....

I dont really care if its USA, Russia or Israel that will do the dirty work. Iran should not have nukes under any circumstances.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by buzzy

I didn't say they were founded TO build schools idiot, TODAY they build schools, hospitals etc and facilities. They were founded to stop Israel from illegally occupieing southern Lebanon.

its a normal recruiting method. people support Hamas... Hamas throws a little money at people, build schools, rebuild homes, fund hospitals etc... all while they are actively recruiting people for their military wing as "righteous people who are truly fighting for us and care about us"

but thanks for clarifying your position. the US government gives plenty of aid to all sorts of countries... so you shouldn't question whats happening in Iraq or anywhere else with your logic. afterall, the US pays to build schools, hospitals etc

[buzzy]

Are you retarded? Nobody mentioned Hamas. But since you know so much about them and have ovbiously been to Gaza, are you a terrorist? Do u work for them, wouldnt be surprised since your a fucking wackjob

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Are you retarded? Nobody mentioned Hamas.

For some americans ( well, most of them ) it is all the same : hamas, hezbollah,Al-Quaeda, Iraq, Iran, ...

It is the spinning of the administration , and they bite into it like if it was a meaty T-Bone ....

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Are you retarded? Nobody mentioned Hamas. But since you know so much about them and have ovbiously been to Gaza, are you a terrorist? Do u work for them, wouldnt be surprised since your a fucking wackjob

He was comparing them. Those groups use same methods, inspired by the nazis and supported by Iran.

[DS250]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

For some americans ( well, most of them ) it is all the same : hamas, hezbollah,Al-Quaeda, Iraq, Iran, ...

It is the spinning of the administration , and they bite into it like if it was a meaty T-Bone ....

you mean bite into them like your mother does a n1gger trick's cock

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

For some americans ( well, most of them ) it is all the same : hamas, hezbollah,Al-Quaeda, Iraq, Iran, ...

It is the spinning of the administration , and they bite into it like if it was a meaty T-Bone ....

it must feel a little odd knowing the worlds most powerful economy and most powerful military is ran by complete and total idiots.

i mean.. afterall, what does that say about everyone else? you even have the luxury of having an adult internet business because those mindless idiots who just can't think for themselves or even have an opinion unless some jackass in power gives it to them, invented the internet that allows you to hang out and continually bash them. weird.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

it must feel a little odd knowing the worlds most powerful economy and most powerful military is ran by complete and total idiots.

It is kinda odd that the perception people have that the place is run by complete and utter idiots PP. Can't think of why most of the planet thinks this... total mystery man and can't see an ounce of foundation for this belief

Also never knew the US invented the internet - just awesome what you learn on GFY and good to know how the adult biz is a luxury.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

It is kinda odd that the perception people have that the place is run by complete and utter idiots PP. Can't think of why most of the planet thinks this... total mystery man and can't see an ounce of foundation for this belief

Also never knew the US invented the internet - just awesome what you learn on GFY and good to know how the adult biz is a luxury.

people tend to believe whatever they want to believe and give more weight to any info they see or hear or read that is consistent with what they want to believe.

some people like directfiesta for example, couldn't say 3 positive things about the US if someone was holding a gun to his kids head. thats hardly a balanced, fair or even rational mind.

if its true that a major component of intelligence is being able to simultaneously weigh all sides and points of an idea(s) or concept(s), even those which may be diametrically opposed to each other, then pinnacle of stupidity has to someone who does absolutely nothing but sit around, sifting through bits of news or the comments of others, picking out those parts he/she likes and chiming in for no other reason than to say one more time ... "see, i told you so"

[theking]

Originally Posted by buzzy

By most hostile country, i meant israel btw.

What makes you believe that Israel is allowed to have nukes? They have never claimed to have nukes...they have never tested nukes...thus where is the proof that they do have nukes?