Cops arrest reporter for standing on a public sidewalk.

[G-Rotica]

This is some of the most fucked up shit I have ever seen. There is a long UNEDITED video on the page.

http://www.local10.com/news/14411684/detail.html

[Tom_PM]

Well, the fact that they continually asked him to go across the street and would not state a reason is bullshit. They should have known a law that they could claim they were enforcing in asking that.

The fact that the reporter had a concealed .38 handgun without a license is PURE idiocy.

[Tom_PM]

Oh sorry, he DID have a license to carry a concealed weapon, but it's still pretty stupid. Maybe not idiocy.

[Brother Bilo]

Fuck him. The reporter was breaking the law and now he's pissed that he got arrested, and he's not even black?

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Oh sorry, he DID have a license to carry a concealed weapon, but it's still pretty stupid. Maybe not idiocy.

Yea, that was dumb. Leave it in the van.

It was real stupid on the cops part. Talk about violating rights.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Oh sorry, he DID have a license to carry a concealed weapon, but it's still pretty stupid. Maybe not idiocy.

Don't they have laws prohibiting guns within a certain distance from a school?

[Phoenix]

good...im tired of these people thinking they have any rights

federal reserve owns the usa...and thus the sidewalks..it is not public property

that guy is a hippy scumbag and needs to be put to death for trespassing for sure

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by baddog

Don't they have laws prohibiting guns within a certain distance from a school?

Within 1000 feet. Unless you have a concealed carry permit. Then you are only prohibited from taking IN to the school.

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

good...im tired of these people thinking they have any rights

federal reserve owns the usa...and thus the sidewalks..it is not public property

that guy is a hippy scumbag and needs to be put to death for trespassing for sure

Well I can't argue the fed reserve point. But I do totally support the First Amendment. Freedom of the Press. We lose that one, we lose porn.

[beemk]

who did he say he called and got permission to be there? those cops are just asking for a lawsuit.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

Well I can't argue the fed reserve point. But I do totally support the First Amendment. Freedom of the Press. We lose that one, we lose porn.

all rights were given up

constitution and amendments etc are all just to keep people happy

time to get a hair cut and act like a good republican ify ou want to keep any freedoms

im talking to you baddog you long haired hippy



haha ok..fuck im just kidding everyone

death to trespassers though!!! that part im sticking to

long live BUSH

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Well, the fact that they continually asked him to go across the street and would not state a reason is bullshit. They should have known a law that they could claim they were enforcing in asking that.

The fact that the reporter had a concealed .38 handgun without a license is PURE idiocy.

1. Yes they have a law about carrying a concealed weapon ON school grounds, however it will be up to the court to decide if that sidewalk IS school property.

2. When a police officer asks you to move, WTF is wrong with someone that they want to argue with a guy carrying a gun???

3. In Florida, the Officers have a law they use called. " Failure to obey a lawful command." In that law is a trespassing section.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

Within 1000 feet. Unless you have a concealed carry permit. Then you are only prohibited from taking IN to the school.

"School Grounds." He may lose that one.

[Tom_PM]

That really is sick though, irregardless of the gun thing. The gun was never mentioned whatsoever. He simply saw a reporter and cameraman and tried to make him leave. Thats not lawful. Hope this gets updated.

BTW: those kids were just like all the punks I remember from school, goddamn youth is wasted on young people...

[sortie]

I would not argue with the cops while I had a weapon on me regardless if it's totally legal or not.

[Tom_PM]

Hey, it's not surprising that people are confused and think that police are able to create laws just by saying something. But it's false.

Do you know you dont ever have to take a breathalizer? Do you know if a police officer tries to imply that you'll get in trouble if you refuse them a search of your car or house, that it's just a ploy? Most people dont even know that simple stuff..

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Hey, it's not surprising that people are confused and think that police are able to create laws just by saying something. But it's false.

Do you know you dont ever have to take a breathalizer? Do you know if a police officer tries to imply that you'll get in trouble if you refuse them a search of your car or house, that it's just a ploy? Most people dont even know that simple stuff..

No you dont have to ever take a breathalizer, but in states like florida, when you sign for your DL, you sign that you WILL, and to refuse you are giving up your DL.

And yes you have the right to tell the officer that he can not search your car. Then, if you have been rude, or he thinks you are hiding stuff, he will arrest you for something, and when he inventories the vehicle, you will get charged with any thing that is in the vehicle that is illegal.

You fuck with a cop, and if he has half a brain, he will fuck you silly.

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by pornguy

he has half a brain,

Unfortunately, that is most of them.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

Unfortunately, that is most of them.

Those are the ones that you have to worry about. They may not be smart enough to be a normal human, but they know the laws and how to apply them to give themselves the upper hand.


Sadly 99.9 % of the laws were made so that the officer could use them to protect and help others. But they are often misused.

[GAMEFINEST]

lesson learned , dont argue with the cops ...

[[ScreaM]]

WTF that's so lame.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Hey, it's not surprising that people are confused and think that police are able to create laws just by saying something. But it's false.

Do you know you dont ever have to take a breathalizer? Do you know if a police officer tries to imply that you'll get in trouble if you refuse them a search of your car or house, that it's just a ploy? Most people dont even know that simple stuff..

You'd be surprise at how many people do actually know this.
But these things work better in a vacum and not always so well at 1:am when pulled over on a dark road in the middle of nowhere.

If I had exercised all my rights when I was stopped by cops then I would still be in jail for being a smart ass and not just letting them look at something for 30 seconds.

[bushwacker]

When a cop asks you to move, FUCKING MOVE!! It's really not that hard.

[Drake]

Why were they asking him to move?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

im talking to you baddog you long haired hippy

Just got home from getting a haircut about 15 minutes ago

[tony286]

the gun had nothing to do with it, they cant arrest the press.It will be thrown out.

[sicone]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Hey, it's not surprising that people are confused and think that police are able to create laws just by saying something. But it's false.

Do you know you dont ever have to take a breathalizer? Do you know if a police officer tries to imply that you'll get in trouble if you refuse them a search of your car or house, that it's just a ploy? Most people dont even know that simple stuff..

try refusing to take a Breathalyzer in Ca, the rest of your night and most likely next 3 days wont be fun ones

[BannerAnt]

Originally Posted by bushwacker

When a cop asks you to move, FUCKING MOVE!! It's really not that hard.

surprised you havent signed up for the war

[baddog]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Do you know you dont ever have to take a breathalizer?

They don't have to let you keep your drivers license either

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

they cant arrest the press.

ummm . . . . what?

[Brother Bilo]

Originally Posted by tony404

the gun had nothing to do with it, they cant arrest the press.It will be thrown out.

How does the gun have nothing to do with it? It's a felony what he knowingly did. Just because he's the press that gives him some kind of immunity to the law? Come on now.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Brother Bilo

How does the gun have nothing to do with it? It's a felony what he knowingly did. Just because he's the press that gives him some kind of immunity to the law? Come on now.

I think what he means is.... they had no basis for the initial arrest, no reason to search him and therefore invaded his privacy to find the gun. No warrant, no gun charges.

Unless the initial altercation can be justified (giving a real reason to cuff him for standing on a public sidewalk), they'll likely throw out any charges involving a gun that they should never have found.

[Tom_PM]

Yeah I agree with all the "it may be your rights, but.." comments as well! And thats the thing with this video.. Even the police officer is SO well used to people just DOING it because he's a policeman and he said so, that when he was actually confronted with someone saying "But WHY?" he had no answer, lol.

I'm asking you to move.

Why? This is a public sidewalk.

Because I'm asking you to move to the other side of the road.

lol, oops! Someone needs a supervisor.. They need to be able to cite an ordinance or whatever the case may be, at least to cover the simplest question. Police are supposed to only enforce after all, not create or judge.. thats the other 2 branches of gov. jobs.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by StuartD

I think what he means is.... they had no basis for the initial arrest,

hmmm, I watched the entire video and was unable to come up with that conclusion.

How did you do it?

[baddog]

and I seem to recall they said he was arrested for a variety of charges . . . I don't recall "standing on a public sidewalk" as being one of them.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by baddog

hmmm, I watched the entire video and was unable to come up with that conclusion.

How did you do it?

So what was the reason for cuffing him then?

[BoyAlley]

The school didn't want the news crew out front of their campus to do a story about how much violence is going on. Imagine that, a governmental entity not wanting bad press?

They reacted by sending the police to bully them away.

The officers acted outside of their authority and the law by ordering someone to move from a public location, simply because a governmental entity didn't want to be embarrassed by the press.

Sorry, but that doesn't fly.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by StuartD

So what was the reason for cuffing him then?

Well, I would guess primarily for failure to abide to a lawful command.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

The school didn't want the news crew out front of their campus to do a story about how much violence is going on. Imagine that, a governmental entity not wanting bad press?

They reacted by sending the police to bully them away.

The officers acted outside of their authority and the law by ordering someone to move from a public location, simply because a governmental entity didn't want to be embarrassed by the press.

Sorry, but that doesn't fly.

I guess you know a lot more about Florida law than I do.

What was the cop referencing when he kept mentioning being within 500' of a school?

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by baddog

Well, I would guess primarily for failure to abide to a lawful command.

I would argue the command wasn't lawful.

[aico]

LMAO what kind of high school has a fucking missile as a decoration??

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by aico

LMAO what kind of high school has a fucking missile as a decoration??

One that has such a huge problem with violence that journalists are arrested out from for trying to report on it.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess you know a lot more about Florida law than I do.

What was the cop referencing when he kept mentioning being within 500' of a school?

Here's the statute that relates to a 500' "safety zone" around schools that falls under a trespassing law of Florida:

Any person who does not have legitimate business in the school safety zone or any other authorization, license, or invitation to enter or remain in the school safety zone who shall willfully fail to remove himself or herself from the school safety zone after the principal or designee, having a reasonable belief that he or she will commit a crime or is engaged in harassment or intimidation of students entering or leaving school property, requests him or her to leave the school safety zone commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Nothing in this section shall be construed to abridge or infringe upon the right of any person to peaceably assemble or protest.

Obviously this reporter wasn't there to commit a crime or harass students. In fact, there weren't even any students out there when he was first "asked" to move.

The purpose of the statute was to allow officers to remove potential child molesters or drug dealers from the area.

[aico]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Here's the statute that relates to a 500' "safety zone" around schools that falls under a trespassing law of Florida:



Obviously this reporter wasn't there to commit a crime or harass students. In fact, there weren't even any students out there when he was first "asked" to move.

The purpose of the statute was to allow officers to remove potential child molesters or drug dealers from the area.

"reasonable belief" is the loophole... how do you disprove that?

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by aico

"reasonable belief" is the loophole... how do you disprove that?

How many credentialed reporters go around trying to molest children or sell drugs to them with a film crew there to videotape them doing it?

One would "reasonably" believe that the news reporter was there to do a news story, not to attack children.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I would argue the command wasn't lawful.

Well, I think that is what he was doing, but he probably should have argued it across the street.

Face it, the guy wanted to get arrested, he even said it. Mission: Accomplished.

Again, I don't know FL law, what was the cop talking about when he kept mentioning being within 500' of a school?

From what I could see (disclaimer: based solely on the video. The cops were there before the camera crew was, so there had to be something going on), the cop had legitimate concern about the crowds that would form on this public sidewalk if the reporter was allowed to do his report from where he was trying to do it.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by aico

LMAO what kind of high school has a fucking missile as a decoration??

Yeah, I think that was used to deter truancy.

[BoyAlley]

BTW:

Why in the hell so many people in this country are so willing to surrender their constitutional rights at the drop of a god damn hat anymore is above and beyond me......

You should all move to fucking Russia, maybe you'll be happier there, because you sure as hell don't act like Americans.

PS: Three cheers for this new reporter and others like him, they're on the front line of defending our liberties.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Here's the statute that relates to a 500' "safety zone" around schools that falls under a trespassing law of Florida:



Obviously this reporter wasn't there to commit a crime or harass students. In fact, there weren't even any students out there when he was first "asked" to move.

The purpose of the statute was to allow officers to remove potential child molesters or drug dealers from the area.

Sounds like the reporter fucked up then since he did not have legitimate business in the school safety zone or any other authorization, license, or invitation to enter or remain in the school safety zone.

[aico]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

How many credentialed reporters go around trying to molest children or sell drugs to them with a film crew there to videotape them doing it?

One would "reasonably" believe that the news reporter was there to do a news story, not to attack children.

But a news reporter who has a gun to protect himself because of death threats from his last story probably has a reputation for doing stories that are harassing. Just a thought, I dont' know. I think the biggest travesty in that video is a missile in a schoolyard and a cop so fucking fat & out of shape that he is worthless as a public protector but probably makes twice more than the teachers in that "violent school".