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Old 10-13-2007, 11:47 AM   #101
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For your stats though, I'm quite surprised. However free to paid is one thing, but when your unique to free is WAY below our affiliates' average I just think you are sending a traffic type that doesn't work for our site
what are u talking about ?
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:10 PM   #102
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:09 PM   #103
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thank you all i should have one prepared for next month

only i won't be using super "secret" accounts

we'll see how they turn out : )
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:14 PM   #104
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pr0, I would almost suggest you signup new accounts without informing anyone who you are, so they can't play games. I have known programs in the past to boost sales on known "special" accounts so that they look better on reports.

Fastest way to make more money when you get bigger is to publish results every month. The sneaky programs will throw you and extra bone or two to look good if they think it is worth it.
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:46 PM   #105
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thank you all i should have one prepared for next month

only i won't be using super "secret" accounts

we'll see how they turn out : )
Haha I'm betting they will be quite different. Cha ching!

Nice thread Pr0!
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Old 10-14-2007, 04:35 PM   #106
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Haha I'm betting they will be quite different. Cha ching!

Nice thread Pr0!
na these are all solid programs...& i know the owners well, their won't be any tom foolery abound
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Old 10-14-2007, 05:52 PM   #107
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Fantastic thread pr0....nice work...
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:30 PM   #108
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:34 PM   #109
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Now this is the kind of thread that's worth sifting through the crap for ;)
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:55 PM   #110
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:22 PM   #111
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Someone check Hell, it might be a bit cold, something actually useful posted on GFY? Damn... That doesn't happen very often.
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:14 PM   #112
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:23 PM   #113
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:16 PM   #114
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I don't really see a problem with Fling. Every week they are consistent.



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Old 11-22-2007, 12:01 AM   #115
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:24 AM   #117
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Thanks for sharing this nice stats! It's not much of a big surprise that Camazon ranks the first..
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:53 AM   #118
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:16 AM   #119
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Great info for sure but I've got a somewhat challenging question I want to ask as it seems like you're a rare breed (intelligent, helpful, actually looks at numbers to try and maximize revenue).

Aren't you missing something HUGE? Click-Thru Ratio (CTR)? Example:

Dating Site A: 9000 clicks, 1/500 conversion, $40 payout = $720 earnings
Dating Site B: 9000 clicks, 1/200 conversion, $40 payout = $1800 earnings

Which one to choose? Assume they clicks/uniques/conversions exactly the same way and don't shave (BIG assumption). 99% of folks out there would choose B. But factor in CTR:

Dating Site A: 1/500 CTR = $0.16 Revenue/1000 impressions (RPM)
Dating Site B: 1/1500 CTR = $0.133 Revenue/1000 impressions (RPM)

So for A, every time you display their ads 1000 times you make $0.16 but for B you only make $0.133. A is the dating site you should be running ads for NOT B! You make more off your ad inventory. But if you're not taking CTR into account you'd have picked B which makes you less!

This is all making that HUGE assumption that the reports you're seeing from the different programs are always accurate and that they report clicks/uniques the same way. If you believe that I've got a bridge for sale.

The way we (CJTraffic / SickSiteNetwork / ConsumptionJunction) used to cut down on the concern of different reporting/shaving was to track clicks with our system and only look at the earnings reported from the affiliate program. Great in that it gives us REAL revenue per click numbers. But as I explained above that simply isn't accurate. If you're not looking at CTR you're screwing yourself.

The goal is to make the most money possible with every ad impression you display, right? You're trying to maximize your RPM. You can't do that only looking at the stats the programs provide. You can't do that only looking at revenue per click. You've gotta look at your RPM.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:22 AM   #120
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:42 AM   #121
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"Click thru rate" is NOT a relevant stat in this case

Hey Marc,

As a publisher I would agree that you need to be aware of a response metric.

However, since there was a singular traffic source and unique creative that distributed clicks equally among the sponsors, the CTR "Click thru rate" is NOT a relevant stat in this case.

Unless I am interpretting something different, I believe "pr0" addressed this here.

"I used one traffic source and sent the exact amount of traffic to each program. I filtered off a unique to each program one at a time so that the traffic they received was the same across the board. Each site received 9000 uniques as measured by my tracking pixel." - pr0

So although response is an important metric we all can appreciate, the CTR "Click thru rate" has been esentially removed from this equation.

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Old 11-22-2007, 02:03 PM   #123
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did you have any expenses? or is that all profit?
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:39 PM   #124
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:49 PM   #125
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:11 PM   #126
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Hey Marc,

As a publisher I would agree that you need to be aware of a response metric.

However, since there was a singular traffic source and unique creative that distributed clicks equally among the sponsors, the CTR "Click thru rate" is NOT a relevant stat in this case.

Unless I am interpretting something different, I believe "pr0" addressed this here.

"I used one traffic source and sent the exact amount of traffic to each program. I filtered off a unique to each program one at a time so that the traffic they received was the same across the board. Each site received 9000 uniques as measured by my tracking pixel." - pr0

So although response is an important metric we all can appreciate, the CTR "Click thru rate" has been esentially removed from this equation.

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Hopefully pr0 will chime in. It depends on what is meant by "filtered off a unique". If he just redirected the surfer when they hit the domain without depending on them to click on an ad, then yeah, CTR wouldn't come into play as he would be essentially forcing a "click".

My concern is that your average joe reading this thread is most likely not going to be doing this. He/she will look at who's reported as the best converters and then allocate their banner/text link/etc ad inventory toward the ones who convert the best.

Understand I'm not trashing pr0 at all. This is great info and very generous to share like that. I'm just trying to caution folks that if they're looking to use this info to influence how they're going to allocate their ad inventory, they need to make sure they're taking into account one other crucial variable.
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chatting w/ pr0 now, we was using redirects to send the traffic rather than banner or text links. So yeah, in that application CTR wouldn't really come into play. But point still is a decent one, heh, that if you're instead using traditional ads to send traffic you GOTTA factor in CTR.
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:09 PM   #128
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One one of my next tests...Im gonna go ahead & try out Marc's MadAv system, to try n' get a different view statistically speaking

I checked out his system tonight...pretty fucking fly marc
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:17 PM   #129
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Congrats man!

I hope will be nice to continue this job with some cam sponsors..
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:53 AM   #130
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Fling is very surprising as well, with everything that's been said about it, I'm glad to know it ranked third
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Bumping an informative thread. Thanks pr0. Will use your ref codes when signing up to new programs.
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:49 AM   #133
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:37 AM   #134
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Thanks for sharing pr0. Probably the most informative thread I have read on gfy. Kudos.
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thx all for the info.
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Jesse i think you're cool & all....but coming into about half of my threads & posting that full page ad is starting to be a little much bro....cmon.
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Jesse i think you're cool & all....but coming into about half of my threads & posting that full page ad is starting to be a little much bro....cmon.
Pro...well I didn't see my program on your list. I feel left out !!
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Jesse i think you're cool & all....but coming into about half of my threads & posting that full page ad is starting to be a little much bro....cmon.
When are you going to hit me with some traffic so you can tell the world how hard my shit converts? I can promise you I will be very near if not at the very top of your list
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When are you going to hit me with some traffic so you can tell the world how hard my shit converts? I can promise you I will be very near if not at the very top of your list
I'm sure constantly spamming pr0's threads will get his attention.
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:42 PM   #147
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:52 PM   #148
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:54 PM   #149
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