Legal Question : Surfer-Submitted Pics - GoFuckYourself.com

Kristian · 09-25-2007, 12:45 PM

What's the current legal stance on this? How can I safely integrate this into a site without worry of legal hassles?

Here's what I have in mind:

- Legal and get out clause on pic submit form

- Notice that pics will be removed upon owner's request

Ideas?

Kristian · 09-30-2007, 12:22 PM

Anyone have an answer to this? There are dozens of sites with surfer submitted content. I've look at this in the past but always strayed away from it. Can it be done legally, safely, in the current legal climate?

Iron Fist · 09-30-2007, 12:40 PM

Bump for you..

pornguy · 09-30-2007, 12:45 PM

Hmm. I would think that in the long run, it will be subject to the same laws.

Kristian · 09-30-2007, 12:48 PM

Right now I allow pics but they have to be clothed, not sexually suggestive, and the subjects be 18 (and look 18) at least. A lot of my favorite sites get away with the most hardcore submitted images. I'm probably safer with the way Im currently doing it but just seeing if anyone knows anything. Maybe we've even got a webmaster or two who owns such sites?

jeffrey · 09-30-2007, 12:50 PM

I would suggest talking to a lawyer.
That said where you are located has a lot to do with how this could be answered.

Kristian · 09-30-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey

I would suggest talking to a lawyer.
That said where you are located has a lot to do with how this could be answered.

I think it will come to it. Right now I'm content with the g-rated pics, but curious how to go r-rated.

teg0 · 09-30-2007, 01:29 PM

I am interested in this topic too.

DamageX · 09-30-2007, 01:35 PM

That's a fucking can of worms right there...

RawAlex · 09-30-2007, 01:37 PM

I would consult a lawyer. With the new 2257 rules coming in, there is no easy way to say what does and doesn't require 2257 documentation. Full clothed girls kissing or showing their ass might actually require documents.

Good luck. Check the yellow pages under "L" for Lawyer.

quantum-x · 09-30-2007, 01:39 PM

You need 2257.
I have an entire CMS coded to handle users, IDs, 2257, submitter payments, affiliate payments, videos and photos.

If you are interested [ seriously interested - it's not cheap ] feel free to email me simon [a] ice.org

teg0 · 09-30-2007, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I would consult a lawyer. With the new 2257 rules coming in, there is no easy way to say what does and doesn't require 2257 documentation. Full clothed girls kissing or showing their ass might actually require documents.

Good luck. Check the yellow pages under "L" for Lawyer.

lol good news for myspace, facebook, and pretty much any social networking site. Even youtube. Lots of sexuality suggestive content submitted by users who are probably underage.

teg0 · 09-30-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum-x

You need 2257.
I have an entire CMS coded to handle users, IDs, 2257, submitter payments, affiliate payments, videos and photos.

If you are interested [ seriously interested - it's not cheap ] feel free to email me simon [a] ice.org

woah, are you a member of ice? I remember them from my bbs days.

Iron Fist · 09-30-2007, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teg0

woah, are you a member of ice? I remember them from my bbs days.

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Kristian · 09-30-2007, 02:33 PM

Whoa - I take a break and I got a mountain of replies.

DamageX - Nice to see you dude! And yes I agree. lol As I mentioned right now I'm pretty content with my g-rated pics, but curious about going r.

RawAlex - You're right of course. But are you sure it's L? In the UK it would be S for solicitor :D

quantum-x - I appreciate the offer! I'm just feeling it out right now so I wont waste your time but might be in touch in the future, so thanks again.

tony286 · 09-30-2007, 02:42 PM

I would get professional legal advice.

yahoo-xxx-girls.com · 09-30-2007, 03:14 PM

My understanding Kristian is that when a model has their picture(s) taken and is sold to another, that the right to use such is passed on... There is nothing wrong with giving a short statement on who the model is... however since it is not X rated... I do not see a reason to have a 2257 statement....

I also understand that as soon as you post porn "actors" that you will need your 2257 link to your 2257 document...

The 2257 document has the following:

1.) A hyperlink from you main page with a link saying 2257 ( read your new 2257 rules for the full text required for your hyperlink... )

2.) A statement stating that the "actors" are of legal age at time of shooting and have given their consent...

3.) A statement indicating where to find the "custodian of records". If this is you then indicate your street address... If it is someone else the indicate their address...

And after you have done the foot work then get some legal as to check over your 2257 documentation...

Later,

.

CIVMatt · 09-30-2007, 04:04 PM

Makes me wonder, a well known solo girl site has a forums in the memebrs area and there is an area or just general porn ramblings her members post and such of naked 'finds' on the net, I bet that could be some serious issues as well

After Shock Media · 10-01-2007, 01:49 AM

Look to a pretty damn famous and not to mention very old school user submitted tease/naughty/risque voyer site on the web. They also have a very unique little logo, you almost always will find a version of that logo in every single picture of video.

I do not wish to just say do this and that. There are a lot of legal loopholes and requiements. I am not a lawyer and I sure and the hell am not a paid consultant.

ProjectNaked · 10-01-2007, 01:58 AM

Expect to get a lot of copyright complaints as membership content often finds its way there....some times innocently and sometimes not.

After Shock Media · 10-01-2007, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

Expect to get a lot of copyright complaints as membership content often finds its way there....some times innocently and sometimes not.

Not if you follow the proper "viewer" model that is out there.

Masterchief · 10-01-2007, 02:27 AM

tangotime.com and adultfriendfinder.com have been doing it fine for years...

After Shock Media · 10-01-2007, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterchief

tangotime.com and adultfriendfinder.com have been doing it fine for years...

They are semi skirting the laws. There are better models to base yourself off of.

Not to mention AFF is a multi million dollar company with legal staff and all tha fun stuff. The proper site to base yourself off of has none of the problems AFF has nor is it full of copyrighted material and fake crap.

DeadFidel · 10-01-2007, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterchief

tangotime.com and adultfriendfinder.com have been doing it fine for years...

If it brings in that kind of money, the legal end becomes part of the processor's problem as they tend to look the other way.

quantum-x · 10-01-2007, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teg0

woah, are you a member of ice? I remember them from my bbs days.

Yeah, senior member actually. Not that it means much as we don't do anything except cling to the title ;)

Kristian · 10-01-2007, 06:28 AM

I appreciate the replies guys. This is pretty much what I expected but I like to run things by the folks at gfy if only to confirm my beliefs. That sounds pompous, but not meant to be - I learn a lot here too and have in this thread.

I think the less stressful thing for me to do is stick with my current system. As mentioned I only accept clothed and images that are not sexually suggestive. They also need to make sure no one else is in the pic and agree to being over 18 as well as looking over 18.

09-25-2007, 12:45 PM	#1
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	Legal Question : Surfer-Submitted Pics What's the current legal stance on this? How can I safely integrate this into a site without worry of legal hassles? Here's what I have in mind: - Legal and get out clause on pic submit form - Notice that pics will be removed upon owner's request Ideas?

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09-30-2007, 12:22 PM	#2
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	Anyone have an answer to this? There are dozens of sites with surfer submitted content. I've look at this in the past but always strayed away from it. Can it be done legally, safely, in the current legal climate?

09-30-2007, 12:48 PM	#5
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	Right now I allow pics but they have to be clothed, not sexually suggestive, and the subjects be 18 (and look 18) at least. A lot of my favorite sites get away with the most hardcore submitted images. I'm probably safer with the way Im currently doing it but just seeing if anyone knows anything. Maybe we've even got a webmaster or two who owns such sites?

09-30-2007, 01:29 PM	#8
teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,204	I am interested in this topic too.

09-30-2007, 01:37 PM	#10
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I would consult a lawyer. With the new 2257 rules coming in, there is no easy way to say what does and doesn't require 2257 documentation. Full clothed girls kissing or showing their ass might actually require documents. Good luck. Check the yellow pages under "L" for Lawyer.

09-30-2007, 01:39 PM	#11
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	You need 2257. I have an entire CMS coded to handle users, IDs, 2257, submitter payments, affiliate payments, videos and photos. If you are interested [ seriously interested - it's not cheap ] feel free to email me simon [a] ice.org

09-30-2007, 02:33 PM	#15
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	Whoa - I take a break and I got a mountain of replies. DamageX - Nice to see you dude! And yes I agree. lol As I mentioned right now I'm pretty content with my g-rated pics, but curious about going r. RawAlex - You're right of course. But are you sure it's L? In the UK it would be S for solicitor :D quantum-x - I appreciate the offer! I'm just feeling it out right now so I wont waste your time but might be in touch in the future, so thanks again.

09-30-2007, 02:42 PM	#16
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I would get professional legal advice.

09-30-2007, 03:14 PM	#17
yahoo-xxx-girls.com Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,143	Hope this helps you out Kristian... My understanding Kristian is that when a model has their picture(s) taken and is sold to another, that the right to use such is passed on... There is nothing wrong with giving a short statement on who the model is... however since it is not X rated... I do not see a reason to have a 2257 statement.... I also understand that as soon as you post porn "actors" that you will need your 2257 link to your 2257 document... The 2257 document has the following: 1.) A hyperlink from you main page with a link saying 2257 ( read your new 2257 rules for the full text required for your hyperlink... ) 2.) A statement stating that the "actors" are of legal age at time of shooting and have given their consent... 3.) A statement indicating where to find the "custodian of records". If this is you then indicate your street address... If it is someone else the indicate their address... And after you have done the foot work then get some legal as to check over your 2257 documentation... Later, . __________________ sig too big

09-30-2007, 04:04 PM	#18
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Makes me wonder, a well known solo girl site has a forums in the memebrs area and there is an area or just general porn ramblings her members post and such of naked 'finds' on the net, I bet that could be some serious issues as well __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

10-01-2007, 01:49 AM	#19
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Look to a pretty damn famous and not to mention very old school user submitted tease/naughty/risque voyer site on the web. They also have a very unique little logo, you almost always will find a version of that logo in every single picture of video. I do not wish to just say do this and that. There are a lot of legal loopholes and requiements. I am not a lawyer and I sure and the hell am not a paid consultant. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-01-2007, 01:58 AM	#20
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	Expect to get a lot of copyright complaints as membership content often finds its way there....some times innocently and sometimes not.

10-01-2007, 02:27 AM	#22
Masterchief Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 530	tangotime.com and adultfriendfinder.com have been doing it fine for years...

10-01-2007, 06:28 AM	#26
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	I appreciate the replies guys. This is pretty much what I expected but I like to run things by the folks at gfy if only to confirm my beliefs. That sounds pompous, but not meant to be - I learn a lot here too and have in this thread. I think the less stressful thing for me to do is stick with my current system. As mentioned I only accept clothed and images that are not sexually suggestive. They also need to make sure no one else is in the pic and agree to being over 18 as well as looking over 18.