What separates the average webmaster from the top earners - GoFuckYourself.com

grape · 09-17-2007, 05:49 AM

What separates the above average webmaster who makes six figures from being the next nastydollars or topbucks. Is it lack of motivation, money, pure laziness?

Personally i think a lot of it has to do with motivation, some guys are just not motivated to want to make more money. They are at ease with what they are doing. Shap the owner of twistys.com is a good example of a guy who started off small and has really come into his own. Also the same can be said for Pimpdogg wether you like him or not.

Also some guys seem to spend way too much time involved in board drama to actually ever get any work done as well, to reach that next level.

who · 09-17-2007, 05:52 AM

Dedication and drive. Also, you have to be a prick to make the really big bucks.

grape · 09-17-2007, 07:12 AM

i should have posted nude images in my thread and said someone ripped me off to get more attention

_mC_ · 09-17-2007, 07:16 AM

There's business and novelty... You have to avoid the novelty and you'll make money! Otherwise you'll be a drugged out, sex-aholic, drunk, drama queen with empty pockets, boo-hooing on GFY. :-/

clicker · 09-17-2007, 07:24 AM

It is the "it" factor in business. You know it when you see it or hear it. The ability to separate emotional and stategic thinking. You have to want it bad enough and not be afraid to fail. Stories of people who had nothing that made something are very motivational. You will here common themes. Only 20% of what you do causes 80% of your success. Do what you do best and deligate the rest.

headless ghost · 09-17-2007, 07:24 AM

don't waste time on boards

alymaxcash · 09-17-2007, 08:03 AM

Hard work !

polish_aristocrat · 09-17-2007, 08:11 AM

motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

personally I only have one of these things listed above

Kristian · 09-17-2007, 08:22 AM

One word : Knowledge.

12clicks · 09-17-2007, 08:25 AM

too many people confuse living the life with selling the life.

DaddyHalbucks · 09-17-2007, 08:31 AM

Only if you shoot for the stars do you ever have a chance of hitting them.

gooddomains · 09-17-2007, 09:04 AM

nice titties

GT-Omar · 09-17-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

too many people confuse living the life with selling the life.

Very well said !

gooddomains · 09-17-2007, 09:16 AM

or a big cock can make a big a big difference

swampthing · 09-17-2007, 09:36 AM

a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

12clicks · 09-17-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by swampthing

a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

your join date?

Klen · 09-17-2007, 10:39 AM

Not so sure how stupid affiliates will bring any sales to program.

Klen · 09-17-2007, 10:44 AM

And also in this modern time new program who plan to become big need to first resolve issue with content theft.

Matt 26z · 09-17-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

09-17-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

keep telling yourself that

Nicky · 09-17-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

personally I only have one of these things listed above

me too, well maybe 1 and a half

RevengeBucks_Monica · 09-17-2007, 01:12 PM

I think perhaps it's the ability to take an idea and follow it through to successful completion, and keep pushing it, as opposed to only taking it halfway, or never even starting to begin with.

Aneros Josh · 09-17-2007, 01:14 PM

In a word..."traffic"

GAMEFINEST · 09-17-2007, 01:20 PM

hard work, dedication, and connectionz

09-17-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RevengeBucks_Monica

I think perhaps it's the ability to take an idea and follow it through to successful completion, and keep pushing it, as opposed to only taking it halfway, or never even starting to begin with.

I think even more important is having the business sense to identify which ideas can be accomplished given that person's available resources and capital. Often times people work so hard at these impossible goals and never really accomplish anything.

That's why I think motivation will only take you so far and people who rely solely on their 'motivation' are not much different than people who dig ditches. There will always be ditches that need digging, but at the end of the day, all you did was dig a ditch.

If you have a good enough idea, other people will do the work for you. That's where skills and brains come in. People who have neither overlook that and rely solely on motivation, which can only take them so far.

Violetta · 09-17-2007, 01:45 PM

90% of the top earners started out in the 90's

u-Bob · 09-17-2007, 01:59 PM

creativity and the will to succeed.

Snake Doctor · 09-17-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by grape

What separates the above average webmaster who makes six figures

There are very few guys doing that IMHO.

I think most webmasters are struggling to make just an average income from this biz.

Guy8856 · 09-17-2007, 02:10 PM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned charisma. If you're a charismatic person, and are capable of making people what you want them to, then you have a whole lot better chance at success.

aico · 09-17-2007, 02:12 PM

The secret GFY Forum.

09-17-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

There are very few guys doing that IMHO.

I think most webmasters are struggling to make just an average income from this biz.

You are hanging around with the wrong people then...

yumma · 09-17-2007, 02:23 PM

working and working more!

Snake Doctor · 09-17-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

You are hanging around with the wrong people then...

Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

09-17-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

no but there's a lot more than a few...

DaddyHalbucks · 09-17-2007, 02:45 PM

Focus is a big missing item.

Newbies put in only a minimal effort, and then get discouraged when they fail.

You need to go out on a limb, quit your job, mortgage your house, and give it 100% of your time and energy. If that is too risky/ scary.. then go back to Mom's basement, flipping burgers, and/ or working for The Man.

09-17-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

also a good part of that 95% you're talking about aren't really in this biz. just because someone has a nick on GFY and gets drunk at a show doesn't mean they're in this industry and therefore shouldn't be counted in my opinion.

of the serious webmasters who i would consider 'in this industry', most make well over 6 figures.

Snake Doctor · 09-17-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

no but there's a lot more than a few...

You just aren't happy unless you're disagreeing are you?

5% of the total is what I would consider a few.

Also my point is that only the top 5% or so are making 6 figures or better, so that's definitely not "the average webmaster", since the definition of average would put them in the 50th percentile and not the 95th percentile.

Snake Doctor · 09-17-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

also a good part of that 95% you're talking about aren't really in this biz. just because someone has a nick on GFY and gets drunk at a show doesn't mean they're in this industry and therefore shouldn't be counted in my opinion.

of the serious webmasters who i would consider 'in this industry', most make well over 6 figures.

So basically what you're saying is that if you don't make over 6 figures in this biz then you're not really in this biz.

I guess a restaurant owner really isn't in the restaurant biz until he sells more hamburgers than McDonalds.

09-17-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

You just aren't happy unless you're disagreeing are you?

5% of the total is what I would consider a few.

Also my point is that only the top 5% or so are making 6 figures or better, so that's definitely not "the average webmaster", since the definition of average would put them in the 50th percentile and not the 95th percentile.

my point is that this industry is smaller than a lot of people think. i find it funny when people come to me for advertising saying that they have 20k webmasters a day looking at their site.

also, it's definitely not a money thing that puts someone in an industry. all i'm saying is that a good amount of people in this industry make over 6 figures a year. easily over 5% i would say.

babydred · 09-17-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

Dude, what ru smokin' pot, crack or pole...lol

Your post is NOT true...your post depends on what that clueless webmaster is actually doing for those 12 hours (maybe if he's shackled to the PC desk with a shit and piss bucket available...but somehow i don't think that'll help 'em make more money...do you?)

A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is prolly also jerkin' his sex-hungry cock thru most of the downloadable content (if they aren't spending time downloading it for later "personal use").

Ya may want to re-think that post...LOL

polish_aristocrat · 09-18-2007, 01:14 AM

good thread

hentaibee · 09-18-2007, 02:54 AM

5 figures is good enough for me considering the spare time I have for my projects.

grape · 09-19-2007, 01:09 PM

Nice debate going over the six figures. Making six figures isn't that hard in this biz, requires you to work more and post less.

I think a lot of guys make six figures plus in this biz, they just don't have time to be posting on gfy. Wanted to see what people think separates the guy who makes 150k a year from the guy that makes 1mill+ a year.

grape · 09-19-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

I think even more important is having the business sense to identify which ideas can be accomplished given that person's available resources and capital. Often times people work so hard at these impossible goals and never really accomplish anything.

That's why I think motivation will only take you so far and people who rely solely on their 'motivation' are not much different than people who dig ditches. There will always be ditches that need digging, but at the end of the day, all you did was dig a ditch.

If you have a good enough idea, other people will do the work for you. That's where skills and brains come in. People who have neither overlook that and rely solely on motivation, which can only take them so far.

very good points you bring up

grape · 09-19-2007, 01:16 PM

also lenny i did mention in my original post above average webmaster

Snake Doctor · 09-19-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by grape

also lenny i did mention in my original post above average webmaster

Ahhh, I missed that above word. That changes things a bit

09-19-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grape

I think a lot of guys make six figures plus in this biz, they just don't have time to be posting on gfy. Wanted to see what people think separates the guy who makes 150k a year from the guy that makes 1mill+ a year.

2 things...luck and knowing the right people.

luck as in being in the right place at the right time, and then if you're there, knowing who to make that 1 mill+ with.

Dollarmansteve · 09-19-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by swampthing

a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

lol, you're exactly right. The people who think the above is TRUE are the ones who are destined to NOT succeed. It's easier to believe what you wrote than to actually understand the sponsor side of the equation.

GreyWolf · 09-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Who says an "average webmaster" can't be a "top earner"?? "Top earning" is down to how much profit is stuffed in your pocket - nothing else.

Any "average webmaster" who wastes time on boards is going to achieve little. Boards used to be of value, but that has changed and it's like a 45 year old trying to have an intelligent conversation about Britney Spears with an 18 year old after sex is over.

There are far more "top earners" who never visit/post on boards - and a fair number of em are substantial corps (including a few quoted on markets). There is little difference being online or in real world - if ya can't manage a real world business - fat chance of being any different online.

Earning is not a mystery - just a matter of sustained motivation, organization, applying knowledge/expertise and using all "tools" to maximize time. A net biz is the same as all others - nothing stays the same, and it's not a sprint, but a marathon.

It appears common to have "confusion" over the product in this biz - it's not about trying to fuck anything that moves and has a sign of life. The idea is to sell that product to horny surfers - not consume it.

Enough bullshit - back to work.

09-17-2007, 05:49 AM	#1
grape Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	What separates the average webmaster from the top earners What separates the above average webmaster who makes six figures from being the next nastydollars or topbucks. Is it lack of motivation, money, pure laziness? Personally i think a lot of it has to do with motivation, some guys are just not motivated to want to make more money. They are at ease with what they are doing. Shap the owner of twistys.com is a good example of a guy who started off small and has really come into his own. Also the same can be said for Pimpdogg wether you like him or not. Also some guys seem to spend way too much time involved in board drama to actually ever get any work done as well, to reach that next level.

09-17-2007, 07:16 AM	#4
_mC_ Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 1,195	There's business and novelty... You have to avoid the novelty and you'll make money! Otherwise you'll be a drugged out, sex-aholic, drunk, drama queen with empty pockets, boo-hooing on GFY. :-/ __________________ Process and Settle in USD/EUR/GBP KGreer at SegPay dot com ICQ~234-382-798

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clicker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virtual Posts: 1,113	It is the "it" factor in business. You know it when you see it or hear it. The ability to separate emotional and stategic thinking. You have to want it bad enough and not be afraid to fail. Stories of people who had nothing that made something are very motivational. You will here common themes. Only 20% of what you do causes 80% of your success. Do what you do best and deligate the rest. Last edited by clicker; 09-17-2007 at 07:25 AM..

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	motivation, hard work, being smart and skills personally I only have one of these things listed above __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Dedication and drive. Also, you have to be a prick to make the really big bucks.

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grape Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	i should have posted nude images in my thread and said someone ripped me off to get more attention

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Guy8856 New owner of GFY Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 43	I'm surprised nobody has mentioned charisma. If you're a charismatic person, and are capable of making people what you want them to, then you have a whole lot better chance at success.

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DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Focus is a big missing item. Newbies put in only a minimal effort, and then get discouraged when they fail. You need to go out on a limb, quit your job, mortgage your house, and give it 100% of your time and energy. If that is too risky/ scary.. then go back to Mom's basement, flipping burgers, and/ or working for The Man. __________________ Boner Money

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grape Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	Nice debate going over the six figures. Making six figures isn't that hard in this biz, requires you to work more and post less. I think a lot of guys make six figures plus in this biz, they just don't have time to be posting on gfy. Wanted to see what people think separates the guy who makes 150k a year from the guy that makes 1mill+ a year.

09-19-2007, 01:16 PM	#45
grape Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	also lenny i did mention in my original post above average webmaster

09-19-2007, 03:30 PM	#49
GreyWolf So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,036	Who says an "average webmaster" can't be a "top earner"?? "Top earning" is down to how much profit is stuffed in your pocket - nothing else. Any "average webmaster" who wastes time on boards is going to achieve little. Boards used to be of value, but that has changed and it's like a 45 year old trying to have an intelligent conversation about Britney Spears with an 18 year old after sex is over. There are far more "top earners" who never visit/post on boards - and a fair number of em are substantial corps (including a few quoted on markets). There is little difference being online or in real world - if ya can't manage a real world business - fat chance of being any different online. Earning is not a mystery - just a matter of sustained motivation, organization, applying knowledge/expertise and using all "tools" to maximize time. A net biz is the same as all others - nothing stays the same, and it's not a sprint, but a marathon. It appears common to have "confusion" over the product in this biz - it's not about trying to fuck anything that moves and has a sign of life. The idea is to sell that product to horny surfers - not consume it. Enough bullshit - back to work.