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grape 09-17-2007 05:49 AM

What separates the average webmaster from the top earners
 
What separates the above average webmaster who makes six figures from being the next nastydollars or topbucks. Is it lack of motivation, money, pure laziness?

Personally i think a lot of it has to do with motivation, some guys are just not motivated to want to make more money. They are at ease with what they are doing. Shap the owner of twistys.com is a good example of a guy who started off small and has really come into his own. Also the same can be said for Pimpdogg wether you like him or not.

Also some guys seem to spend way too much time involved in board drama to actually ever get any work done as well, to reach that next level.

who 09-17-2007 05:52 AM

Dedication and drive. Also, you have to be a prick to make the really big bucks.

grape 09-17-2007 07:12 AM

i should have posted nude images in my thread and said someone ripped me off to get more attention

_mC_ 09-17-2007 07:16 AM

There's business and novelty... You have to avoid the novelty and you'll make money! Otherwise you'll be a drugged out, sex-aholic, drunk, drama queen with empty pockets, boo-hooing on GFY. :-/

clicker 09-17-2007 07:24 AM

It is the "it" factor in business. You know it when you see it or hear it. The ability to separate emotional and stategic thinking. You have to want it bad enough and not be afraid to fail. Stories of people who had nothing that made something are very motivational. You will here common themes. Only 20% of what you do causes 80% of your success. Do what you do best and deligate the rest.

headless ghost 09-17-2007 07:24 AM

don't waste time on boards

alymaxcash 09-17-2007 08:03 AM

Hard work !

polish_aristocrat 09-17-2007 08:11 AM

motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

personally I only have one of these things listed above :Oh crap

Kristian 09-17-2007 08:22 AM

One word : Knowledge.

12clicks 09-17-2007 08:25 AM

too many people confuse living the life with selling the life.

DaddyHalbucks 09-17-2007 08:31 AM

Only if you shoot for the stars do you ever have a chance of hitting them.

gooddomains 09-17-2007 09:04 AM

nice titties

GT-Omar 09-17-2007 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13098827)
too many people confuse living the life with selling the life.

Very well said ! :thumbsup

gooddomains 09-17-2007 09:16 AM

or a big cock can make a big a big difference

swampthing 09-17-2007 09:36 AM

a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

12clicks 09-17-2007 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by swampthing (Post 13099138)
a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

your join date?

Klen 09-17-2007 10:39 AM

Not so sure how stupid affiliates will bring any sales to program.

Klen 09-17-2007 10:44 AM

And also in this modern time new program who plan to become big need to first resolve issue with content theft.

Matt 26z 09-17-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13098756)
motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

esnem 09-17-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13100020)
Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

keep telling yourself that :upsidedow

Nicky 09-17-2007 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13098756)
motivation, hard work, being smart and skills

personally I only have one of these things listed above :Oh crap

me too, well maybe 1 and a half :Oh crap

RevengeBucks_Monica 09-17-2007 01:12 PM

I think perhaps it's the ability to take an idea and follow it through to successful completion, and keep pushing it, as opposed to only taking it halfway, or never even starting to begin with.

Aneros Josh 09-17-2007 01:14 PM

In a word..."traffic"

GAMEFINEST 09-17-2007 01:20 PM

hard work, dedication, and connectionz

esnem 09-17-2007 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevengeBucks_Monica (Post 13100601)
I think perhaps it's the ability to take an idea and follow it through to successful completion, and keep pushing it, as opposed to only taking it halfway, or never even starting to begin with.

I think even more important is having the business sense to identify which ideas can be accomplished given that person's available resources and capital. Often times people work so hard at these impossible goals and never really accomplish anything.

That's why I think motivation will only take you so far and people who rely solely on their 'motivation' are not much different than people who dig ditches. There will always be ditches that need digging, but at the end of the day, all you did was dig a ditch.

If you have a good enough idea, other people will do the work for you. That's where skills and brains come in. People who have neither overlook that and rely solely on motivation, which can only take them so far. :2 cents:

Violetta 09-17-2007 01:45 PM

90% of the top earners started out in the 90's

u-Bob 09-17-2007 01:59 PM

creativity and the will to succeed.

Snake Doctor 09-17-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by grape (Post 13098263)
What separates the above average webmaster who makes six figures

There are very few guys doing that IMHO.

I think most webmasters are struggling to make just an average income from this biz.

Guy8856 09-17-2007 02:10 PM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned charisma. If you're a charismatic person, and are capable of making people what you want them to, then you have a whole lot better chance at success.

aico 09-17-2007 02:12 PM

The secret GFY Forum.

esnem 09-17-2007 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13100868)
There are very few guys doing that IMHO.

I think most webmasters are struggling to make just an average income from this biz.

You are hanging around with the wrong people then...

yumma 09-17-2007 02:23 PM

working and working more!

Snake Doctor 09-17-2007 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13100931)
You are hanging around with the wrong people then...

Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

esnem 09-17-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13101024)
Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

no but there's a lot more than a few...

DaddyHalbucks 09-17-2007 02:45 PM

Focus is a big missing item.

Newbies put in only a minimal effort, and then get discouraged when they fail.

You need to go out on a limb, quit your job, mortgage your house, and give it 100% of your time and energy. If that is too risky/ scary.. then go back to Mom's basement, flipping burgers, and/ or working for The Man.

esnem 09-17-2007 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13101024)
Hanging out with a different group of people isn't going to change the fact that 95% of the people in this biz aren't making 6 figures.

also a good part of that 95% you're talking about aren't really in this biz. just because someone has a nick on GFY and gets drunk at a show doesn't mean they're in this industry and therefore shouldn't be counted in my opinion.

of the serious webmasters who i would consider 'in this industry', most make well over 6 figures.

Snake Doctor 09-17-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13101069)
no but there's a lot more than a few...

You just aren't happy unless you're disagreeing are you?

5% of the total is what I would consider a few.

Also my point is that only the top 5% or so are making 6 figures or better, so that's definitely not "the average webmaster", since the definition of average would put them in the 50th percentile and not the 95th percentile.

Snake Doctor 09-17-2007 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13101096)
also a good part of that 95% you're talking about aren't really in this biz. just because someone has a nick on GFY and gets drunk at a show doesn't mean they're in this industry and therefore shouldn't be counted in my opinion.

of the serious webmasters who i would consider 'in this industry', most make well over 6 figures.

So basically what you're saying is that if you don't make over 6 figures in this biz then you're not really in this biz.

I guess a restaurant owner really isn't in the restaurant biz until he sells more hamburgers than McDonalds.

esnem 09-17-2007 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13101103)
You just aren't happy unless you're disagreeing are you?

5% of the total is what I would consider a few.

Also my point is that only the top 5% or so are making 6 figures or better, so that's definitely not "the average webmaster", since the definition of average would put them in the 50th percentile and not the 95th percentile.

my point is that this industry is smaller than a lot of people think. i find it funny when people come to me for advertising saying that they have 20k webmasters a day looking at their site.

also, it's definitely not a money thing that puts someone in an industry. all i'm saying is that a good amount of people in this industry make over 6 figures a year. easily over 5% i would say.

babydred 09-17-2007 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13100020)
Motivation is the most important factor. A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is going to make more than the genius who can't stay seated at his desk.

Dude, what ru smokin' pot, crack or pole...lol

Your post is NOT true...your post depends on what that clueless webmaster is actually doing for those 12 hours (maybe if he's shackled to the PC desk with a shit and piss bucket available...but somehow i don't think that'll help 'em make more money...do you?) :pimp

A clueless webmaster working 12 hours a day is prolly also jerkin' his sex-hungry cock thru most of the downloadable content (if they aren't spending time downloading it for later "personal use"). :1orglaugh

Ya may want to re-think that post...LOL

polish_aristocrat 09-18-2007 01:14 AM

good thread

hentaibee 09-18-2007 02:54 AM

5 figures is good enough for me considering the spare time I have for my projects.

grape 09-19-2007 01:09 PM

Nice debate going over the six figures. Making six figures isn't that hard in this biz, requires you to work more and post less.

I think a lot of guys make six figures plus in this biz, they just don't have time to be posting on gfy. Wanted to see what people think separates the guy who makes 150k a year from the guy that makes 1mill+ a year.

grape 09-19-2007 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13100678)
I think even more important is having the business sense to identify which ideas can be accomplished given that person's available resources and capital. Often times people work so hard at these impossible goals and never really accomplish anything.

That's why I think motivation will only take you so far and people who rely solely on their 'motivation' are not much different than people who dig ditches. There will always be ditches that need digging, but at the end of the day, all you did was dig a ditch.

If you have a good enough idea, other people will do the work for you. That's where skills and brains come in. People who have neither overlook that and rely solely on motivation, which can only take them so far. :2 cents:


very good points you bring up

grape 09-19-2007 01:16 PM

also lenny i did mention in my original post above average webmaster

Snake Doctor 09-19-2007 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grape (Post 13111438)
also lenny i did mention in my original post above average webmaster

Ahhh, I missed that above word. That changes things a bit :winkwink:

esnem 09-19-2007 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grape (Post 13111397)
I think a lot of guys make six figures plus in this biz, they just don't have time to be posting on gfy. Wanted to see what people think separates the guy who makes 150k a year from the guy that makes 1mill+ a year.

2 things...luck and knowing the right people.

luck as in being in the right place at the right time, and then if you're there, knowing who to make that 1 mill+ with.

Dollarmansteve 09-19-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampthing (Post 13099138)
a massive amount of stupid affiliates..... an army of spammers..... a great shaving script...... ummmm, did i miss something?

lol, you're exactly right. The people who think the above is TRUE are the ones who are destined to NOT succeed. It's easier to believe what you wrote than to actually understand the sponsor side of the equation.

GreyWolf 09-19-2007 03:30 PM

Who says an "average webmaster" can't be a "top earner"?? "Top earning" is down to how much profit is stuffed in your pocket - nothing else.

Any "average webmaster" who wastes time on boards is going to achieve little. Boards used to be of value, but that has changed and it's like a 45 year old trying to have an intelligent conversation about Britney Spears with an 18 year old after sex is over.

There are far more "top earners" who never visit/post on boards - and a fair number of em are substantial corps (including a few quoted on markets). There is little difference being online or in real world - if ya can't manage a real world business - fat chance of being any different online.

Earning is not a mystery - just a matter of sustained motivation, organization, applying knowledge/expertise and using all "tools" to maximize time. A net biz is the same as all others - nothing stays the same, and it's not a sprint, but a marathon.

It appears common to have "confusion" over the product in this biz - it's not about trying to fuck anything that moves and has a sign of life. The idea is to sell that product to horny surfers - not consume it.

Enough bullshit - back to work.


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