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Pipecrew · 09-12-2002, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

If you ever give a dime to like whoa.. you're certain to get only one thing... some really good apologies.

If you ever send traffic to ConversionCash you're certain to get only one thing, No signups and some really nice shaving!

salsbury · 09-12-2002, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

In case you didn't understand how to do a tracert, it's Qwest.

it's actually Network Plus who uses Qwest. but the weird thing is this:

16 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) 90.614 ms 90.554 ms 90.662 ms
Cogent -> 17 66.28.20.70 (66.28.20.70) 100.663 ms 102.987 ms 100.269 ms
18 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 103.560 ms 104.973 ms 99.525 ms

out of all the routes i see announced for them, they all end with 209 11846 21790 (according to telnet://route-views.oregon-ix.net/) - that's Qwest, NP1, and LikeWhoa. i guess Cogent is just transit from NP1's facility to LikeWhoa's?

Hooper · 09-12-2002, 08:56 AM

Pipecrew... dont let penis envy get in the way of you seeing straight.

Allliquid = Likewhoa correct?

And as far as ConversionCash goes, that attempt at a piss is really not worth dignifying with an answer... bottom line is that likewhoa has taken thousands of dollars, cost us nearly 6 figures in lost revenue and never did anything to make it right aside from apologizing, promising to fix it, fucking up some more and apologizing again.

The phrase "it's like watching a monkey fuck a football" comes to mind... and yes.. you're the monkey.

Now get back to being a fulltime poster cause we all know you must not spend much time focusing on your business.

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QuickBuck - $40 Per Trial

bash · 09-12-2002, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
Pipecrew... dont let penis envy get in the way of you seeing straight.

Now get back to being a fulltime poster cause we all know you must not spend much time focusing on your business.

LMFAO!... "fulltime poster"

salsbury · 09-12-2002, 02:02 PM

still no verio. curious how people are liking cogent? do they notice a difference from LW's network? i know i've always thought cogent had to be garbage but i admit i haven't actually used it (to my knowledge).

salsbury · 09-12-2002, 04:39 PM

i'm kinda amazed. judging by the board a LOT of poeple host with likewhoa. nobody's got a opinion of what Cogent is like after experiencing "TIer 1" Verio bandwidth?

higher latency? less bandwidth? or is it better?

Pipecrew · 09-12-2002, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
Pipecrew... dont let penis envy get in the way of you seeing straight.

Allliquid = Likewhoa correct?

And as far as ConversionCash goes, that attempt at a piss is really not worth dignifying with an answer... bottom line is that likewhoa has taken thousands of dollars, cost us nearly 6 figures in lost revenue and never did anything to make it right aside from apologizing, promising to fix it, fucking up some more and apologizing again.

The phrase "it's like watching a monkey fuck a football" comes to mind... and yes.. you're the monkey.

Now get back to being a fulltime poster cause we all know you must not spend much time focusing on your business.

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QuickBuck - $40 Per Trial

If you guys even make 6 figures a year I'd be shocked... Conversioncash is the most outdated shitbag operation I know of, as for me being a full time poster, atleast I dont look like one in the real world

RikRok · 09-12-2002, 05:06 PM

24 hrs later, it is definitely cogent on the outbound.

Its certainly still cogent on the inbound for some traffic.

From route-views.oregon-ix.net

Tracing the route to ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170)

1 nero-gw.oregon-ix.net (198.32.162.2) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
2 eugn-core1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.162) [AS 3701] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
3 aar1-serial4-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.151.1) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec
12 msec
4 agr2-loopback.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.146.102) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec
12 msec
5 dcr2-so-7-1-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.185) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec
12 msec
6 agr4-so-2-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.142) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec
agr4-so-6-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.158) [AS 3561] 16 msec
7 acr1-loopback.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.210.61) [AS 3561] 16 msec 16 msec
16 msec
8 cable-and-wireless-peering.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.211.226) [AS 3561] 20
msec 16 msec 16 msec
9 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.162) [AS 209] 20 msec 20 msec 16 msec
10 svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.125) [AS 209] 24 msec 12 msec 16 msec
11 dca-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.201) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 84 msec
12 dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.9.10) [AS 209] 92 msec 88 msec 88 msec
13 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) [AS 209] 92 msec 84 msec 84 msec
14 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 88 msec
15 65.112.96.98 [AS 209] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec
16 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 96 msec
17 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec
18 Global_Net_Advertising.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.70) [AS 16631] 100 msec
96 msec 100 msec
19 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) [AS 21790] 100 msec 96 msec 100 msec
route-views.oregon-ix.net>

NOTE: Hop 18.

Rik

Hooper · 09-12-2002, 05:12 PM

why do you want to change the subject pipecrack?

did i touch a nerve?

rather than bashing our program, why dont you explain exactly how your company stole from us?

ps.. you're right... we dont make 6 figures a year... its just me.... sitting around in a studio apartment.. carving up photos all day.... eating ramen.

RikRok · 09-12-2002, 05:14 PM

Ramen's good shit.

I like everybody today.

Rik

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 12:51 AM

Damned if the earlier guy wasn't right:

It was Cogent earlier today. Now its yipes....

8 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms
9 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms
10 65.112.96.98 (65.112.96.98) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms
11 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms
12 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms

13 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms
14 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms

OrgName: Yipes Communications, Inc.
OrgID: YIPS

NetRange: 66.7.128.0 - 66.7.191.255
CIDR: 66.7.128.0/18
NetName: YIPES-BLK2
NetHandle: NET-66-7-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0

I am a little afraid of all the prognostication.

Rik

theking · 09-13-2002, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
why do you want to change the subject pipecrack?

did i touch a nerve?

rather than bashing our program, why dont you explain exactly how your company stole from us?

ps.. you're right... we dont make 6 figures a year... its just me.... sitting around in a studio apartment.. carving up photos all day.... eating ramen.

"Stole" is a powerful word, care to elaborate?

MattD · 09-13-2002, 08:43 AM

Looks like bandwidthtruth's prediction of them switching to Yipes! came true. I guess he wasn't full of shit after all.

14 ge-1-3-0-202.nyc001jp01.yipes.com (66.54.147.182) 2.487 ms 2.558 ms 2.418 ms
15 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 3.430 ms 3.554 ms 3.564 ms
16 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 2.945 ms 2.873 ms 3.277 ms

Bobo · 09-13-2002, 08:49 AM

playa · 09-13-2002, 08:57 AM

so what is the problem with Yipes?

pimpshost · 09-13-2002, 09:01 AM

Well, since you all brought up Galaxy Net, I thought I would let everyone know, http://www.imedia.net is basically the old Galaxy Net, or what is left of it. Its run by Michael Lindsay. What a prick! He also pyle drived webcash.com into the ground as well.

Bobo · 09-13-2002, 09:16 AM

Broken images and slow downloads aren't a good sign.

Zebra · 09-13-2002, 09:24 AM

Just did a trace to PrivateGold.com which is at LikeWhoa and got this:

11 so-2-0-0.mp2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.1.85) 39.545 ms 39.648 ms 39.991 ms
12 gige7-2.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.17.163) 39.351 ms 40.101 ms 39.383 ms
13 unknown.Level3.net (64.156.82.6) 39.799 ms 39.461 ms 40.268 ms
14 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 40.825 ms 40.953 ms 40.851 ms
15 66.181.174.83 (66.181.174.83) 40.511 ms 41.765 ms 41.680 ms

Looks like Level3 to me

salsbury · 09-13-2002, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
so what is the problem with Yipes?

i didn't think they were still in business frankly, heh.

btw, they're seen through level3 because yipes is a level3 customer. their performance is questionable (i've seen it) at least, their gear is (and without good gear, what can you do?)

edit: also btw, it looks like all of their announcements come from yipes. bgp ends with 6517 21790 (according to route-views.oregon-ix.net). i don't know what their outbound is like of course.

is yipes better than cogent for y'all? still never saw anyone sayin anything about how cogent was vs. verio.. i'm very curious.

MikeEP · 09-13-2002, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpshost
Well, since you all brought up Galaxy Net, I thought I would let everyone know, http://www.imedia.net is basically the old Galaxy Net, or what is left of it. Its run by Michael Lindsay. What a prick! He also pyle drived webcash.com into the ground as well.

Damn that was so long ago. I knew Galaxy became Imedia, but didn't know Michael Lindsay still ran it.

Webcash, now that's a blast from the past. What ever happened to that? They could have done a lot with Webcash if they were smart. The programmer behind it was a good guy.

Hooper · 09-13-2002, 09:44 AM

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"Stole" is a powerful word, care to elaborate?
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Sure.. took money for services and then failed to provide services or return the money.

Honeyslut · 09-13-2002, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman

No need to worry, we have 145 mbps, and that's just to our office!

Show off !

razorwoods · 09-13-2002, 11:46 AM

Running a network is never easy. The problems that likewh0a are having are very common with low cost hosts. It's just a simple fact. When your core market makes its hosting decisions based primarily on price alone you simply don't have the funds to pay all your bills, or bring in the ' big boy ' equipment, or many other things that the more expensive hosts have.

I remember the outage a few months ago, all the excuses as to why it happened and also the midnight move.

If this was in fact something that they knew about or had any control over ( other than paying their bills ) then notice would have been given to their clients. This is assuming that they were the quality ISP that every one hopes for, an ISP that really gives a crap if you are making money or not. As we can all see they either didn?t care enough to notify people, didn?t pay their bills again ( my guess ) or just couldn?t handle the networking issues that came as a result of any of the above.

No matter how they try to ' spin ' the story the simple fact is that if they were as stable ( financially or network wise ) as they should be none of these issues effecting their customers would exist. This is because they would easily be able to afford to keep the carriers running, the equipment up to date, and have provisions in place to pick up the slack when parts of their network fail that are beyond their control.

We are not the cheapest place on the block, and I am the first to tell everyone that, but our network stays up, our clients stay online, and should any part of the network fail there are resources in place to ensure little to no down time for anyone. This applies to even the most severe cases. If you want more information on how to choose a host check this out: http://www.primeinternet.com/network.html

Pipecrew · 09-13-2002, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by razorwoods
Running a network is never easy. The problems that likewh0a are having are very common with low cost hosts. It's just a simple fact. When your core market makes its hosting decisions based primarily on price alone you simply don't have the funds to pay all your bills, or bring in the ' big boy ' equipment, or many other things that the more expensive hosts have.

I remember the outage a few months ago, all the excuses as to why it happened and also the midnight move.

If this was in fact something that they knew about or had any control over ( other than paying their bills ) then notice would have been given to their clients. This is assuming that they were the quality ISP that every one hopes for, an ISP that really gives a crap if you are making money or not. As we can all see they either didn?t care enough to notify people, didn?t pay their bills again ( my guess ) or just couldn?t handle the networking issues that came as a result of any of the above.

No matter how they try to ' spin ' the story the simple fact is that if they were as stable ( financially or network wise ) as they should be none of these issues effecting their customers would exist. This is because they would easily be able to afford to keep the carriers running, the equipment up to date, and have provisions in place to pick up the slack when parts of their network fail that are beyond their control.

We are not the cheapest place on the block, and I am the first to tell everyone that, but our network stays up, our clients stay online, and should any part of the network fail there are resources in place to ensure little to no down time for anyone. This applies to even the most severe cases. If you want more information on how to choose a host check this out: http://www.primeinternet.com/network.html

I bet you support spamming too

TheFLY · 09-13-2002, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by razorwoods
When your core market makes its hosting decisions based primarily on price alone you simply don't have the funds to pay all your bills, or bring in the ' big boy ' equipment, or many other things that the more expensive hosts have.[/url]

LikeWhoa is big pimpin'

They have a NOC in Manhattan. That takes some serious bling -- and I don't see other hosts giving away a BMW at Internext... Take LikeWhoa as a whole -- look at how many projects they have going on... If LikeWhoa was short on funds I don't think my bare naked ass would be sitting right now on this kick ass oversized AdultCentro beach towel... Hehe...

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 12:22 PM

If Like Whoa was short on funds, we'd get a letter 10 business days before the connection is interrupted, that's a standard procedure. And if we got a letter 10 days before, we'd do something about, we are serious about our business.

Think about it. All Like Whoa customers have been informed from an e-mail I drafted after 36 hours without any sleep...

Pornwolf · 09-13-2002, 12:23 PM

I agree. I've seen the numbers they have been paying Verio firsthand and for them to be able to afford all that B/W they are nowhere close to broke. The folks over there also say they paid their bills. Whatever thier problems were in the last 36 hours being broke isn't one of them.

pornJester · 09-13-2002, 12:41 PM

Fuck LikeWhoa, I've got a row of blazing fast Tandy 1000's here ready for all your hosting needs. And talk about speed?? 2600 bauds of pure connectivity... If LikeWhoa hasn't been fitting the bill you know who to talk to

salsbury · 09-13-2002, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
I agree. I've seen the numbers they have been paying Verio firsthand and for them to be able to afford all that B/W they are nowhere close to broke. The folks over there also say they paid their bills. Whatever thier problems were in the last 36 hours being broke isn't one of them.

having big bills doesn't equate having lots of money.

about the paying the bills.. i just don't get how they lost connectivity so suddenly and were unable to regain it with verio unless they were shut off. if they shut off the line themselves they'd have had a new one already pre-arranged right? so it'd have to be verio. correct me if i'm wrong?

nobody is sharing their experiences. that's a bummer.

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 02:38 PM

If it were planned by LW, there wouldn't be any 36 hr sleepless nights, uninformed customers and there wouldn't be any changing of reports through out the experience.

The issue to get service back up MAY have been technical, but the root cause between Verio and LW is a business --not-- a technical one. If it were Verio's fault, I am reasonably sure LW would have said so on numerous occasions and talked about all the legal action they are planning on behalf of their own, and their customers' interests.

Verio is _not_ back being their primary provider as LW said it would be, and Cogent/Yipes seem to be handling their traffic -- both providers, btw, are cheaper than Verio in the NYC market.

And as someone mentioned earlier, Yipes is the only advertising LW routes in BGP.

I am not making any statements on quality, but if any of these providers are owed cash, I am sure their attorneys' will be looking for blood.

Rik

Kimmykim · 09-13-2002, 03:10 PM

It's funny to see you guys dogging likewhoa, when most of you don't have a clue whats going on.

We have some stuff hosted with them, it's on Verio bandwidth, and its running just fine.

It takes money to grow a hosting operation to the size they have become over the last couple years, and it takes some know how. Any issues we've ever had with them basically boiled down to slow customer service response, which hasn't happened in awhile either. Both Nick and Stan have been quick to personally answer any questions I've had in the last month, and their uptime has been great to this little blip in the road.

EVERY host, I don't care how big or how well connected they are, has problems at some point in the road, and if someone promises you 100% uptime with great mms responses they are kidding either you or themself.

Will we have future problems with them and the rest of our hosts? I'm sure we will. How they handle it after the fact is what determines how much of our money they continue to get.

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 03:13 PM

I'm not a host, so I wasn't dogging anyone.

But Kim, if your stuff is on verio with likewhoa, what URL can other interested parties check out?

Thanks,

Rik

salsbury · 09-13-2002, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
It's funny to see you guys dogging likewhoa, when most of you don't have a clue whats going on.

We have some stuff hosted with them, it's on Verio bandwidth, and its running just fine.

hi kimmykim. which sites do you have on verio bandwidth? i'm trying to find likewhoa via verio but i'm having no luck, only seeing it go through level3 (in and out) from a diverse set of hosts.

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 03:25 PM

Rik,
Then why do you care? You are not a Like Whoa client, if they are unhappy they will address it with us. If we didn't fulfill on what we promised, and can't do anything in order to make sure that this never happens again, or credit them accordingly, then what do you want from this?

Do you really think that after years of building this in a vision I did your posts or anybody else's to attract more attention to the matter are going to do anything? Do you think _I_ will give up to do whatever it takes to make sure my clients are happy?

I don't understand the reasoning behind some people posting. My clients were informed, they were informed along the process (those who missed it - it was in the stats area). I sent a letter to every client telling them who serves their bandwidth, what happened, why and what did about it... and even WHY it took so long...

What is this with you and everybody else who just wants to see this bumped up more. Any accusation or rumor is doing nothing but wasting people's time. I dont' have a single client of mine, personally complaining to me right now, as a matter of fact, I get responses to my e-mails thanking me for being upfront.

Wake up and smell the coffee. I built this company with my team and it's here to stay. Whether you are going to add to this hiccup of problems or not, it's not changing my outlook. It's only making me work harder.

If we screwed up, we will fix it. If you can do better, then compete and take everything away from us. Our clients are provided with the best service this industry has to offer, and that's not my ego, that's our family of clients telling the NOC.

If some people are unhappy, we usually address. If they are pissed off to a point we can't do anything about, we understand. We learn and we do better next time.

That's how we function, and that's how we got where we are.

Just give up already, everybody knows what happened. Even if people didn't read GFY and they happen to be influenced by this problem we had, they already know about it. And not from you, from ME telling them about it.

You might be a nice guy, and just do this out of curiosity, but notice how you are not even a client posting here? Geez.

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 03:30 PM

T,

All everyone has been hearing is how LW has been "taking care of its problems" and "if it screwed up, it will be fixed". You HAVE the opportunity here to dispell all the rumors and the technical observations, but instead use your posts to obfuscate the details and complain about posters who are your potential customers. Or at least, they were.

Did LW screw up?

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LW is fair game because EVERYONE knows LW trolls these boards looking for customers. Any hosting thread or even mention of a host has someone from LW looking for business. If LW can't take the scrutiny, it shouldn't be prolific in its efforts to evangelize itself.

Rik

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 03:35 PM

What explanations? You seem to be more affected by the problem then my clients are? Marketing has nothing to do with informing on what we screwed up about it and on why. It has to do between Like Whoa and its clients/partners.

My goal is not to satisfy your needs, but my clients'. Public image is the last thing I care about when hundreds of people experienced a problem. Routing through Cogent? Not since 3AM yesterday.

I'll market my company when I make adjustments to address on what we screwed up on. That way, when those issues are not just fixed but positively brought to our clients, I'll market it in a way that you will understand what happened. Trust me.

salsbury · 09-13-2002, 03:37 PM

it's just kinda weird that nobody has been posting about their experiences, except KimmyKim, i believe (and then nothing substantial). i'd expected to hear a lot more. it's puzzling. i know when other hosts have gone down, there's been a lot more posts about 'em.

media · 09-13-2002, 03:40 PM

Tuckman.. You gonna reply to your icq messages or what man..
lets finish up what we started please..

Media

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 03:41 PM

Right. And one of those hosts is yours. So you felt because our clients are properly informed in the best matter we can, they don't post, so hence that's a bad thing? I see... just another perspective I guess

It's because everybody is available round the clock, from tech support down to me for the period of this problem and answer questions as they are addressed. Weird I guess.

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 03:46 PM

T,

You are doing more of the same. Complaining this isn't the right forum to be airing LW's visible problems, and then bragging about how great your support is.

If you can't reassure the interested parties about your network's stability, who cares what the support is like? Besides, when you are having a major network outage, what do you expect support to do? Go home? Everyone is working when the fire alarm is rung.

Rik

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 03:50 PM

It has nothing to do with informing anybody. The most important task for us is to make sure that OUR CLIENTS are happy, then comes everything else. New clients are what we will do once we sort out what happened.

Whatever happened, Like Whoa in NO WAY is passing blame on soembody else. I've mentioned this before. Every and any problem that occurs would always be our fault.

We are just doing what it takes to make sure such never happens again. Don't worry, we take all criticism seriously and our perspective on this requires immediate attention.

...and we are doing this right now. Now next week, next month. Right this second and wouldn't post anything until we know it's fixed, not patched.

Pornwolf · 09-13-2002, 03:56 PM

I like how everyone is typing 2 or 3 lines per paragraph. It makes it easy to read.

Thank you.

RikRok · 09-13-2002, 03:57 PM

I guess this is a new policy.

You didn't seem to practice the "Its all LikeWhoa's fault" policy in October 2001 when you started this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=41049

You were glad to blame Level3. Whatever happened with your discussions with Level3's legal department?

I am glad you reference how everything comes back to haunt you.

IF ALL OF THIS is just for LikeWhoa's CLIENTS ONLY, why the hell are you wasting time POSTING PUBLIC UPDATES about LikeWhoa's status?

Rik

salsbury · 09-13-2002, 04:02 PM

thing is he's not really posting public updates, which is his perogative, of course. but you are right - they are rather aggressive with sales - the near-complete lack of information about the situation here is unfortunate.

boneprone · 09-13-2002, 04:09 PM

Intresting how the complaining and shit throwing is from non-likewhoa clients.

Pornwolf · 09-13-2002, 04:10 PM

They are not as aggressive as I am with my sig! Wait until I start my program! Muahahahahahaha!

Somebody quote me please

Tukhman · 09-13-2002, 04:13 PM

Because with Level(3) there were preventive measures taken unlike in this case. It's unfortunate that you don't understand that. And it's even more unfortunate that you will never understand that none of this pertain to you. I'll venture to say that your curiosity is not even based on your previous consideration to use Like Whoa, but come from a personal vendetta against Like Whoa.

Pornwolf · 09-13-2002, 04:19 PM

Theo · 09-13-2002, 04:24 PM

jesus, Pornwolf got a FPA signature

Hooper · 09-13-2002, 04:30 PM

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If we screwed up, we will fix it.
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As i said....

Apologies and promises.

09-12-2002, 02:02 PM	#55
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	still no verio. curious how people are liking cogent? do they notice a difference from LW's network? i know i've always thought cogent had to be garbage but i admit i haven't actually used it (to my knowledge). __________________

09-12-2002, 04:39 PM	#56
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	i'm kinda amazed. judging by the board a LOT of poeple host with likewhoa. nobody's got a opinion of what Cogent is like after experiencing "TIer 1" Verio bandwidth? higher latency? less bandwidth? or is it better? __________________

09-12-2002, 05:12 PM	#59
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	why do you want to change the subject pipecrack? did i touch a nerve? rather than bashing our program, why dont you explain exactly how your company stole from us? ps.. you're right... we dont make 6 figures a year... its just me.... sitting around in a studio apartment.. carving up photos all day.... eating ramen. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

09-13-2002, 08:49 AM	#64
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	Bump

09-13-2002, 09:01 AM	#66
pimpshost Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,052	Well, since you all brought up Galaxy Net, I thought I would let everyone know, http://www.imedia.net is basically the old Galaxy Net, or what is left of it. Its run by Michael Lindsay. What a prick! He also pyle drived webcash.com into the ground as well. __________________ Jason (Vegas King Condo) Cell 702-371-8941 Web LuxuryinLasVegas.com - High Rise Condos

09-12-2002, 08:56 AM	#53
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Pipecrew... dont let penis envy get in the way of you seeing straight. Allliquid = Likewhoa correct? And as far as ConversionCash goes, that attempt at a piss is really not worth dignifying with an answer... bottom line is that likewhoa has taken thousands of dollars, cost us nearly 6 figures in lost revenue and never did anything to make it right aside from apologizing, promising to fix it, fucking up some more and apologizing again. The phrase "it's like watching a monkey fuck a football" comes to mind... and yes.. you're the monkey. Now get back to being a fulltime poster cause we all know you must not spend much time focusing on your business. ---------------------------------- QuickBuck - $40 Per Trial

09-12-2002, 05:06 PM	#58
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	24 hrs later, it is definitely cogent on the outbound. Its certainly still cogent on the inbound for some traffic. From route-views.oregon-ix.net Tracing the route to ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 1 nero-gw.oregon-ix.net (198.32.162.2) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 eugn-core1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.162) [AS 3701] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec 3 aar1-serial4-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.151.1) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 4 agr2-loopback.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.146.102) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec 12 msec 5 dcr2-so-7-1-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.185) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 6 agr4-so-2-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.142) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec agr4-so-6-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.158) [AS 3561] 16 msec 7 acr1-loopback.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.210.61) [AS 3561] 16 msec 16 msec 16 msec 8 cable-and-wireless-peering.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.211.226) [AS 3561] 20 msec 16 msec 16 msec 9 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.162) [AS 209] 20 msec 20 msec 16 msec 10 svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.125) [AS 209] 24 msec 12 msec 16 msec 11 dca-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.201) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 84 msec 12 dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.9.10) [AS 209] 92 msec 88 msec 88 msec 13 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) [AS 209] 92 msec 84 msec 84 msec 14 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 88 msec 15 65.112.96.98 [AS 209] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec 16 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 96 msec 17 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec 18 Global_Net_Advertising.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.70) [AS 16631] 100 msec 96 msec 100 msec 19 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) [AS 21790] 100 msec 96 msec 100 msec route-views.oregon-ix.net> NOTE: Hop 18. Rik

09-12-2002, 05:14 PM	#60
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	Ramen's good shit. I like everybody today. Rik

09-13-2002, 12:51 AM	#61
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	Damned if the earlier guy wasn't right: It was Cogent earlier today. Now its yipes.... 8 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms 9 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10 65.112.96.98 (65.112.96.98) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 11 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 12 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms 13 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms 14 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms OrgName: Yipes Communications, Inc. OrgID: YIPS NetRange: 66.7.128.0 - 66.7.191.255 CIDR: 66.7.128.0/18 NetName: YIPES-BLK2 NetHandle: NET-66-7-128-0-1 Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0 I am a little afraid of all the prognostication. Rik

09-13-2002, 08:43 AM	#63
MattD Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6	Looks like bandwidthtruth's prediction of them switching to Yipes! came true. I guess he wasn't full of shit after all. 14 ge-1-3-0-202.nyc001jp01.yipes.com (66.54.147.182) 2.487 ms 2.558 ms 2.418 ms 15 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 3.430 ms 3.554 ms 3.564 ms 16 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 2.945 ms 2.873 ms 3.277 ms

09-13-2002, 08:57 AM	#65
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	so what is the problem with Yipes?

09-13-2002, 09:16 AM	#67
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	Broken images and slow downloads aren't a good sign.

09-13-2002, 09:24 AM	#68
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	Just did a trace to PrivateGold.com which is at LikeWhoa and got this: 11 so-2-0-0.mp2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.1.85) 39.545 ms 39.648 ms 39.991 ms 12 gige7-2.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.17.163) 39.351 ms 40.101 ms 39.383 ms 13 unknown.Level3.net (64.156.82.6) 39.799 ms 39.461 ms 40.268 ms 14 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 40.825 ms 40.953 ms 40.851 ms 15 66.181.174.83 (66.181.174.83) 40.511 ms 41.765 ms 41.680 ms Looks like Level3 to me __________________ Old School

09-13-2002, 09:44 AM	#71
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	--- "Stole" is a powerful word, care to elaborate? --- Sure.. took money for services and then failed to provide services or return the money. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

09-13-2002, 11:46 AM	#73
razorwoods Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tustin, California Posts: 3	Running a network is never easy. The problems that likewh0a are having are very common with low cost hosts. It's just a simple fact. When your core market makes its hosting decisions based primarily on price alone you simply don't have the funds to pay all your bills, or bring in the ' big boy ' equipment, or many other things that the more expensive hosts have. I remember the outage a few months ago, all the excuses as to why it happened and also the midnight move. If this was in fact something that they knew about or had any control over ( other than paying their bills ) then notice would have been given to their clients. This is assuming that they were the quality ISP that every one hopes for, an ISP that really gives a crap if you are making money or not. As we can all see they either didn?t care enough to notify people, didn?t pay their bills again ( my guess ) or just couldn?t handle the networking issues that came as a result of any of the above. No matter how they try to ' spin ' the story the simple fact is that if they were as stable ( financially or network wise ) as they should be none of these issues effecting their customers would exist. This is because they would easily be able to afford to keep the carriers running, the equipment up to date, and have provisions in place to pick up the slack when parts of their network fail that are beyond their control. We are not the cheapest place on the block, and I am the first to tell everyone that, but our network stays up, our clients stay online, and should any part of the network fail there are resources in place to ensure little to no down time for anyone. This applies to even the most severe cases. If you want more information on how to choose a host check this out: http://www.primeinternet.com/network.html Last edited by razorwoods; 09-13-2002 at 11:47 AM..

09-13-2002, 12:22 PM	#76
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	If Like Whoa was short on funds, we'd get a letter 10 business days before the connection is interrupted, that's a standard procedure. And if we got a letter 10 days before, we'd do something about, we are serious about our business. Think about it. All Like Whoa customers have been informed from an e-mail I drafted after 36 hours without any sleep... __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

09-13-2002, 12:23 PM	#77
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I agree. I've seen the numbers they have been paying Verio firsthand and for them to be able to afford all that B/W they are nowhere close to broke. The folks over there also say they paid their bills. Whatever thier problems were in the last 36 hours being broke isn't one of them.

09-13-2002, 12:41 PM	#78
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	Fuck LikeWhoa, I've got a row of blazing fast Tandy 1000's here ready for all your hosting needs. And talk about speed?? 2600 bauds of pure connectivity... If LikeWhoa hasn't been fitting the bill you know who to talk to __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

09-13-2002, 02:38 PM	#80
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	If it were planned by LW, there wouldn't be any 36 hr sleepless nights, uninformed customers and there wouldn't be any changing of reports through out the experience. The issue to get service back up MAY have been technical, but the root cause between Verio and LW is a business --not-- a technical one. If it were Verio's fault, I am reasonably sure LW would have said so on numerous occasions and talked about all the legal action they are planning on behalf of their own, and their customers' interests. Verio is _not_ back being their primary provider as LW said it would be, and Cogent/Yipes seem to be handling their traffic -- both providers, btw, are cheaper than Verio in the NYC market. And as someone mentioned earlier, Yipes is the only advertising LW routes in BGP. I am not making any statements on quality, but if any of these providers are owed cash, I am sure their attorneys' will be looking for blood. Rik

09-13-2002, 03:10 PM	#81
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It's funny to see you guys dogging likewhoa, when most of you don't have a clue whats going on. We have some stuff hosted with them, it's on Verio bandwidth, and its running just fine. It takes money to grow a hosting operation to the size they have become over the last couple years, and it takes some know how. Any issues we've ever had with them basically boiled down to slow customer service response, which hasn't happened in awhile either. Both Nick and Stan have been quick to personally answer any questions I've had in the last month, and their uptime has been great to this little blip in the road. EVERY host, I don't care how big or how well connected they are, has problems at some point in the road, and if someone promises you 100% uptime with great mms responses they are kidding either you or themself. Will we have future problems with them and the rest of our hosts? I'm sure we will. How they handle it after the fact is what determines how much of our money they continue to get.

09-13-2002, 03:13 PM	#82
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	I'm not a host, so I wasn't dogging anyone. But Kim, if your stuff is on verio with likewhoa, what URL can other interested parties check out? Thanks, Rik

09-13-2002, 03:25 PM	#84
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	Rik, Then why do you care? You are not a Like Whoa client, if they are unhappy they will address it with us. If we didn't fulfill on what we promised, and can't do anything in order to make sure that this never happens again, or credit them accordingly, then what do you want from this? Do you really think that after years of building this in a vision I did your posts or anybody else's to attract more attention to the matter are going to do anything? Do you think _I_ will give up to do whatever it takes to make sure my clients are happy? I don't understand the reasoning behind some people posting. My clients were informed, they were informed along the process (those who missed it - it was in the stats area). I sent a letter to every client telling them who serves their bandwidth, what happened, why and what did about it... and even WHY it took so long... What is this with you and everybody else who just wants to see this bumped up more. Any accusation or rumor is doing nothing but wasting people's time. I dont' have a single client of mine, personally complaining to me right now, as a matter of fact, I get responses to my e-mails thanking me for being upfront. Wake up and smell the coffee. I built this company with my team and it's here to stay. Whether you are going to add to this hiccup of problems or not, it's not changing my outlook. It's only making me work harder. If we screwed up, we will fix it. If you can do better, then compete and take everything away from us. Our clients are provided with the best service this industry has to offer, and that's not my ego, that's our family of clients telling the NOC. If some people are unhappy, we usually address. If they are pissed off to a point we can't do anything about, we understand. We learn and we do better next time. That's how we function, and that's how we got where we are. Just give up already, everybody knows what happened. Even if people didn't read GFY and they happen to be influenced by this problem we had, they already know about it. And not from you, from ME telling them about it. You might be a nice guy, and just do this out of curiosity, but notice how you are not even a client posting here? Geez. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

09-13-2002, 03:30 PM	#85
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	T, All everyone has been hearing is how LW has been "taking care of its problems" and "if it screwed up, it will be fixed". You HAVE the opportunity here to dispell all the rumors and the technical observations, but instead use your posts to obfuscate the details and complain about posters who are your potential customers. Or at least, they were. Did LW screw up? --- LW is fair game because EVERYONE knows LW trolls these boards looking for customers. Any hosting thread or even mention of a host has someone from LW looking for business. If LW can't take the scrutiny, it shouldn't be prolific in its efforts to evangelize itself. Rik

09-13-2002, 03:35 PM	#86
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	What explanations? You seem to be more affected by the problem then my clients are? Marketing has nothing to do with informing on what we screwed up about it and on why. It has to do between Like Whoa and its clients/partners. My goal is not to satisfy your needs, but my clients'. Public image is the last thing I care about when hundreds of people experienced a problem. Routing through Cogent? Not since 3AM yesterday. I'll market my company when I make adjustments to address on what we screwed up on. That way, when those issues are not just fixed but positively brought to our clients, I'll market it in a way that you will understand what happened. Trust me. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

09-13-2002, 03:37 PM	#87
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	it's just kinda weird that nobody has been posting about their experiences, except KimmyKim, i believe (and then nothing substantial). i'd expected to hear a lot more. it's puzzling. i know when other hosts have gone down, there's been a lot more posts about 'em. __________________

09-13-2002, 03:40 PM	#88
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	Tuckman.. You gonna reply to your icq messages or what man.. lets finish up what we started please.. Media __________________ I'm here for the violence!

09-13-2002, 03:41 PM	#89
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	Right. And one of those hosts is yours. So you felt because our clients are properly informed in the best matter we can, they don't post, so hence that's a bad thing? I see... just another perspective I guess It's because everybody is available round the clock, from tech support down to me for the period of this problem and answer questions as they are addressed. Weird I guess. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

09-13-2002, 03:46 PM	#90
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	T, You are doing more of the same. Complaining this isn't the right forum to be airing LW's visible problems, and then bragging about how great your support is. If you can't reassure the interested parties about your network's stability, who cares what the support is like? Besides, when you are having a major network outage, what do you expect support to do? Go home? Everyone is working when the fire alarm is rung. Rik

09-13-2002, 03:50 PM	#91
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	It has nothing to do with informing anybody. The most important task for us is to make sure that OUR CLIENTS are happy, then comes everything else. New clients are what we will do once we sort out what happened. Whatever happened, Like Whoa in NO WAY is passing blame on soembody else. I've mentioned this before. Every and any problem that occurs would always be our fault. We are just doing what it takes to make sure such never happens again. Don't worry, we take all criticism seriously and our perspective on this requires immediate attention. ...and we are doing this right now. Now next week, next month. Right this second and wouldn't post anything until we know it's fixed, not patched. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

09-13-2002, 03:56 PM	#92
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I like how everyone is typing 2 or 3 lines per paragraph. It makes it easy to read. Thank you.

09-13-2002, 03:57 PM	#93
RikRok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 126	I guess this is a new policy. You didn't seem to practice the "Its all LikeWhoa's fault" policy in October 2001 when you started this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=41049 You were glad to blame Level3. Whatever happened with your discussions with Level3's legal department? I am glad you reference how everything comes back to haunt you. IF ALL OF THIS is just for LikeWhoa's CLIENTS ONLY, why the hell are you wasting time POSTING PUBLIC UPDATES about LikeWhoa's status? Rik

09-13-2002, 04:02 PM	#94
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	thing is he's not really posting public updates, which is his perogative, of course. but you are right - they are rather aggressive with sales - the near-complete lack of information about the situation here is unfortunate. __________________

09-13-2002, 04:09 PM	#95
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Intresting how the complaining and shit throwing is from non-likewhoa clients. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

09-13-2002, 04:10 PM	#96
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	They are not as aggressive as I am with my sig! Wait until I start my program! Muahahahahahaha! Somebody quote me please __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches. Last edited by Pornwolf; 09-13-2002 at 04:13 PM..

09-13-2002, 04:13 PM	#97
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	Because with Level(3) there were preventive measures taken unlike in this case. It's unfortunate that you don't understand that. And it's even more unfortunate that you will never understand that none of this pertain to you. I'll venture to say that your curiosity is not even based on your previous consideration to use Like Whoa, but come from a personal vendetta against Like Whoa. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a> Last edited by Tukhman; 09-13-2002 at 04:18 PM..