1 minute stitch togethers are still an issue - the content isn't provided like that to start with, but rather as 6 20 second clips or whatever. The beauty of a TGP is most surfers don't watch all of the clips, and they certainly have a hard time to click and whack at the same time. Give them one minute run time they might be able to rub one out.

That is between the video site, the affiliate uploader and the sponsor. Not a bunch of GFY wackos who are blind to new sources of traffic.

The smart bet is on the watermarks alone being worth a good amount of uncredited affiliate traffic. So right there is enough reason for a sponsor to not only allow this, but encourage it.

There might be a problem with the fact that they have selected and submitted content, I agree with that... Still, user submitted sites do NOT redistribute even if they reencode the content to publish it. They do NOT select it... the 2257 regs clearly state in 2 (h) (B) (v) if you only "[transmit, store, retreive, host, FORMAT or TRANSLATE]" a communication and do not SELECT or ALTER the content then you are not a producer... If they actually watermark each video, it might be altering it, not sure if thats enough though...

But simply reencoding it into another format is not enough to be a producer.

The main 2257 issue they might face is, I agree with that, the fact that they have actual selected and user submitted content mixed up in one site...

Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit off!

What is the difference in WM and affiliates to xtube I really do not get this, I own the site but I have to join my affiliate program and pay myself 1% just to participate? I really do not get this?

Are they really saying they will not allow “us” to send them clips from our site in exchange for a return link, this is kind of what is sounds like of where they are going with this to me.

I do agree this is not a good thing but for different reasons too, I work with allot of gay content and all the LL’s ect are about dead as people just do not care about image content when they can get vids for free. Now as this tubes stuff goes one we will see longer and longer vids being offered for free just to get more attention for programs. This will soon devalue video content in the same way we have already done with pics. What the hell are we going to have to sell after that, not sure I want to sell sex toys :(

How can they say (WM are not the focus of thier business anymore) where do they think these videos come from?

I am just really lost with this stuff and do not see why more people are not really pissed off it what I think is going on is really true. BTW this vote is a joke, what WM’s want to be banned I guess the ones that do not use it in the first place hu?

3-20 seconds clips these days is typical (and some sponsors offer even more) and then multiples of them which a surfer can download and play all at once or play just the one he wants over and over again while jerking off (I find it odd that you wouldn't know this and that you would think he's going to be clicking while trying to whack off)... A suffer can't download and can't loop with Flash (unless the players have been setup to loop or they search out some tools to dowload etc.).. I've made 2 minute teaser Flash clips for some of my blogs (from 30+ minute videos) and they are actually VERY good at building the frustration factor. But then again I put some thought into what I do and I don't show the money shot.

I support the issues against full site rips, full movies, torents, the video "sharing" sites etc. but lets not lose sight of the reality of what the internet is these days.. It's Flash videos on tube type sites... Embedding flash clips in blogs etc.. So no. I can't agree with you that 1 minute stitched together is the same issue... Far from it... and if you start getting that picky you're going to lose any support you might try and put together...

Focus on the big issues... No site rips... No full or long videos.. Must be linked to sponsors... Watermarks not removied/obscured... Not used to promote other sites.

What is the difference in WM and affiliates to xtube I really do not get this, I own the site but I have to join my affiliate program and pay myself 1% just to participate? I really do not get this?

Are they really saying they will not allow ?us? to send them clips from out site in exchange for a return link, this is kind of what is sounds like of where they are going with this to me.

I do agree this is not a good thing but for different reasons too, I work with allot of gay content and all the LL?s ect are about dead as people just do not care about image content when that can get vids for free. Now as this tubes stuff goes one we will see longer and longer vids being offered for free just to get more attention for programs. This will soon devalue video content in the same way we have already done with pics. What the hell are we going to have to sell after that, not sure I want to sell sex toys :(

How can they say (WM are not the focus of thier business anymore) where do they think these videos come from?

I am just really lost with this stuff and do not see why more people are not really pissed off it what I think is going on is really true. BTW this vote is a joke, what WM?s want to be banned I guess the ones that do not use it in the first place hu?

Sorry guys this thing takes too long to refresh sometimes I guess

So basically, we built the monster and now we can't control it. That's responsible. Thank you Dr. Frankenstein.

So basically, "We built the monster and now we can't control it."

That's responsible. Thank you Dr. Frankenstein.

maxpower, I think they are talking about banning "affiliates" from submitting, and only allowing program owners to submit.

Program owners need to realize that these sites aren't helping. Video clip content shouldn't run 1 or 2 minutes without interruption, that is more than enough for a dedicated wanker to get off, not just get up. You want surfers excited, not satisfied.

I understand where the tube site owners are coming from - they are looking at the sheer volume of traffic, the daily click counts (they all talk proudly about that) but what they won't tell you is the percentage of people who actually click on the link off to the paysite in question (it's a really small number) nor will they disclose how many click on the other stuff on the page (a higher number, but they won't discuss it because it's their income).

Once again, tube sites are like dating sites, they aren't in the business of selling porn, because they are burning through the porn too quickly. Why do you think they have so many cam and dating banners? Because it is the only think left that they can sell. They don't even try to make the porn banners on the pages relevant, the Peter North videos had a bunch of gay banners on the page, the teen videos had a bunch of shemale banners, etc. They are trying have to get people to go to dating and cam sites.

Tube sites once again don't have any skin in the game. They have nothing to lose, everything to gain. They have no concern over rights and over exposure and burning the porn sites, because they really aren't in the business of selling porn. Once you grock that, the rest is easy.

The simple solution for sponsors would be to quit arguing on GFY, and just sue Xtube. XTube would be forced to settle, or fight a lengthy court case -- which would probably change their stance on stolen content.

Of course, all sponsors should be watching the Viacom vs. Youtube situation before acting, to ensure any lawsuit would not be a wasted venture.

The Braincash WM who uploaded the PN video should have been aware of those conditions. Braincash could also have contacted us to let us know. Considering both parties did not, and I have found out via GFY, I have included Braincash in the DO NOT PROMOTE list that all WMs see when they log into the home page of XTube.

Thanks for pointing that out. Now that it has been reported this user has been banned. You could have reported him through the site - there is a link ON his profile as well as each upload.

This change secures the video from easy theft.

Incorrect. We do not brand any videos. Our logo appears on the player, not the footage.

Anyone can contact any user on the site. Try it.

There is no line between paid and free content to blurr. They are in completely separate sections.

We want public users to have the option of uploading their own home-made stuff. By allowing that there are losers who will break the rules, as previously mentioned, and who get dealt with (banned) when we locate them.

Thanks for the heads up on that one Steve. User has been banned. He was posing as a WM but was not providing linking codes or sponsors - obviously, he has no legitimacy.

Steve, you are the 3rd person to find a violation and allow it to stay online by failing to report it through the tools available on the site.

I was advised by many to not start this thread, but I decided against them and did so anyways. I want to know what the GFY WMs think. I am not have tantrums, but I am amazed at a lot of what I am reading. At the same time I understand and agree with a lot too. It's hard to have discussions when most people are angry or not reading/retaining what is going on.

This was uploaded by a BB WM (xxxvideosnow) who is promoting Ass Parade. He has a valid linking code on that upload.
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You clearly have not read ANYthing I have written. Scroll up or page-back and read the process I outlined.

Any WM on XTube can read the list of whom not to promote on the home page. Also, any WM who can read at all can find out from the TOS available from each Sponsor.

Lance, once again you guys are going about this entirely backwards. You shouldn't be making a blacklist, but making a WHITELIST. There are very, very few programs that are going to be interested in allowing their affiliates to post videos onto pages that don't promote their product. I can find that requirement in almost every program out there.

I would venture to say that pretty much every one of the major programs has a similar restriction somewhere on their webmaster site about the use of materials.

Banning webmasters is pointless if you will let the general public post the same videos. Allowing anyone to be a "webmaster" is just nuts.

As for your logo, I am looking at it as an end user. I click a link to see a video, a video screen comes up, your logo plays for 5 seconds and then the video plays. As far as I can tell (as an end user) you branded the videos. Have the programs given you the right to brand or co-brand their product?

I cannot contact any user on the site directly. I can click a link that says "contact bob", but I can't get his 2257 location, I cannot find where his documents would be located, i cannot find his business office and I cannot find who his records agent is. If you are claiming to be only a host, and are claiming to enforce 2257 requirements, you are failing.

Oh how fucking noble of you. Like you guys would be the ones concerned with theft. Are you thinking that some other tube company will come in and jack your stuff? Guess what? It ain't your stuff.

I understand where the confusion has caused you to think this, and it is my fault for not being clear. Because there is no obvious distinction between a WM upload and a stolen user upload I get a lot of grief about how we are ripping off you hard working people.

XTube does NOT want to rip people off, and we do NOT want to work against anyone. We allow WMs to use our BW/Hosting/Traffic/Members to drive traffic to whatever they want to legitimately promote - FOR FREE... And then the same WMs come bitching to us about it.

I got fed up and thought I would pose the question about no longer allowing it, considering that is the impression I got from the community. Seems no one wants us to do it. Now that I ask the question I see the problem lies in the perception of the people. Max, you are right, WMs are the best source or consistently legit content, and I do not want to remove that.

That is a valid concern, and I agree with you.

Nunavut is warm?

I should just ask GFY'ers to find/report violations. Thanks, user banned.

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Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with you Steve? Surf Xtube everyday and use the tools on the site! :winkwink:

it's as warm as the webmaster uploaded videos on your site are used with full permission.

Great idea, I will look into the mechanics.

Then what is your theory on why content owners continue to upload video after video to these sites?

I don't think that many content owners do, and those that do are deluding themselves into thinking that the amount of dilution of their product is worth the sales they are getting.

Some companies are also burning all their old content this way, as we move to HD.

Some people spent a ton of money on content, made thier money back in the good times, and are now looking for the gravy sales.

In all cases, I don't think they are really paying attention to just how much money they are making for the xtube guys, who run huge numbers of unrelated ads on the pages, profitting from the content without giving back anywhere near a reasonable amount of traffic.

I have a feeling it may be a "bro" thing. :)

Thax you so much for clarifying that, I do apologize for coming off like such a dick about all this it just really freaked me out is all. We are really seeing a HUGE migration of viewers from the OS models to these ?web.20? sites as some call it and yours is really the KING of all these. I really do understand you guys are getting a overwhelming number of submissions now, and all the problems that are coming from this, but you have to understand the reasons. As the tubes really are where the traffic is now and everyone is feeling the heat of all this change.

Its really up to you to set rules, or to deny anyone from submitting if they break these rules, but like you said a all out WM ban it just going to make the situation worse for everyone. You guys are NOT going anyplace and if anything you and the other tubes are going to get a even larger percentage of the market share. Some I am sure are not happy about this so all this bitching comes out, but IMO it might be better to just try to work with the WM community to work these problems out. We really can both benefit from this, and I for one will work with you in anyway I can but I have to pay my rent at the same time you understand :)

I am just talking as a WM/site owner here but, I really do have to think if their was some way to boost the return traffic a bit most of the problems would vanish overnight. I really do understand you guys have huge bandwidth bills, and have to make money but maybe just a bit better placement of return links or a bit larger ones might really do much to fix the situation. As other will see a bigger return from working with you thus, destroying most arguments against you. Now this will not be perfect LOL, you guys are kind of now in the middle of all this and are a easy target as such. But I have to think with a bit more traffic most will have to give up all the bitching and just really get behind working with you. Now of course this is just IMO, but I do think this ?working with us? strategy will accomplish much more than a ban. There are other ways to do this as well, but this is kind of a simply one and would really show some that just working with you is the best thing to do and shut them up.

Trust me most of us would LOVE to work with you, now days your one of the only games in town, but as such this is going to get a bit messy for you. I would also suggest not letting ?them? get to you so much as long as your doing your best to do the right thing by everyone you should be able to sleep good at nigh. Your never going to make everyone happy, but like I as just showing you are really trying to do what you can will go a long way. I do apologize again for freaking out so bad but I hope you understand a bit better now why, really if you guys snub us this will hurt so many hard working people.

I would love if you have time if you could just make a post to clarify this one GMS as well, but that like everything else it up to you.

My only question is whether or not you have on your submission page something like "You must own license to publish the content you are submitting."

In a word ?Traffic? where else are they going to get it most viewers are on these tubes now, and the tubes are not going anyplace. Its not the best situation but it is the situation we are in

YouTube says that clearly on their upload page - doesn't seem to work!

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OHHHH, Okay, thats "good spam"

LOL?????

It doesn't, and Google is on the received end of a motherfucker of a lawsuit from viacom and others. There is no reason not to have an "inspection step" for the posting of videos, where screeners look to make sure the material isn't illegal or stolen. They do it to separate out adult material, so why not have a hitlist of things that aren't suppose to get through?

Xtube's entire business model on this one is based on "we are just a host", but that has already been shown to be less than the case. It is their justification for ripping everyone else off, and it is a pretty poor justification.

heh, yeah I wouldnt expect it to "work" in terms of preventing everyone from uploading unlicensed content.

But if a site doesn't state that you are not to upload content which you are not licensed to publish, couldnt someone argue that you passively support it (by not caring to even mention it)? Seems like a decent "cover your own ass" type of thing.

I think people will be watching the youtube/viacom suit pretty closely in any case for precedent.

Look how this site did it.
wambovision.com

So... did you remove the link right?

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