Libertine watch, choose a Site from an affiliate program, anyone you chose and i will find all the stuff on all four sites in less than 24 hours

You are "talking” about only allowing Stolen Content this is insane where do you think it comes from? So you would rather have CP than for content owners to send you their videos? and make maybe a buck out of doing it?

This is FUD

Why is it FUD?

http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=1&idx=4&from=&v=98fiBjLHDf8&cl=mHpZ7V 5LM8v&a=200707101640_tnhay&b=4AJQ3gP4IOc&s=B&geo_c ountrycode=&geo_latitude=&geo_longitude=&sstr=lrf| |||O|76o3438767so614845r01026o59rs9sr

Can you state without a doubt that peternorth.com permits you to run their videos with other company's ads all over the place but not a single link to peternorth.com anywhere on the page?

That my friend is FUD.

"all the cool kids are doing it, so we are doing it to". Hopeless defense, like saying you shouldn't get a speeding ticket because everyone else was going fast too.

You guys are all ridiculous. You are the people putting the content on XTube, and now you are all talking about it being our fault.

It looks like, if I go by what happens on GFY, I am going to shut down all WM accounts. At least when I do that any pro content on the site would immediately be identifiable as a dmca violation.

I checked out your site .. you guys seem to be fairly on top of keeping the stolen stuff out. Most of what i see is trailers and tgp clips. BUT ...

I don't think you should say you just can't police it. Does that mean you don't police it if their was CP? How do you verify the age of the people on your site? What about beasty stuff?? I am sure your keeping that off.

I think all anyone wants you to say .. is we are doing our best to keep copyrighted/stolen content off of here .. sometimes we fuck up .. and if we do .. the second we get wind of it .. it will come down and that persons account .. be it webmaster or silly uploaded will be TOS'ed. I don't expect everyone to know what's mine or the 500 other studios .. but if you get something that looks professionally made .. and it's over 5 minutes/not a trailer/tgp clip/ .. maybe not posting it would be the answer.

I just don't want to have to fight with people to take my shit down if i tell you it's up there illeagally. And i would love to see people making at least a freaking effort to controlling their own damn sites for god sake!! if you can control it enough to have it make money .. you can control it enough to "put your best foot forward" on stopping theft!

Megan

god this industry turns my stomach more and more everyday.

Its FUD In your case cuz heres the link that goes directly to Peter Norths Site
hxxp://ww.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2F track.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F

is xtube a user submitted site as well as webmaster submitted?

I do not believe you put the content there. I believe you use a system which profits from content being stolen, and which makes it very easy for content to be stolen.

You KNOW people will pirate on your system, and you KNOW you can not stop them if you don't screen content beforehand.

You said it yourself: you guys don't want to be considered a content distributor, in part because that would make you responsible for the stolen content on your site.

You know what's going on, and you know that in your current system, you cannot stop it. Unless you are completely braindead, you also know that many small adult content producers and owners do not have the resources to police all the sites currently protected by the DMCA.

I know that you are protected by the law. The DMCA, in its current form, allows sites such as yours, with user-submitted content that never even gets screened. That does not make sites like yours ethical, and I sincerely hope the law gets changed in the near future.

Megan your becoming my personal hero :) What you said is smart instead its easier to attack people on GFY and threaten to ban all webmasters. Those type of statements makes it clear we are hitting a nerve.

He only wants stolen content is what I am seeing, no one has the time every day to make sure you are not helping to rip off their titles. If you not going to allow the only legit content you do have, I say you should remove all pro videos as you know for a fact they are copyrighted and you will not let them even be used as advertisements

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Its FUD In your case cuz heres the link that goes directly to Peter Norths Site
hxxp://ww.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrac k.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F

Add the HTTP, and a w to www, cuz i could not post a URL
Oh Yeah and PWN

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Although its all user submitted (technically) yes we have Webmaster accounts

I would add that everyone can post a stolen movies. Emule for example is full of shared movies. A normal user can upload them too. Between a normal user and a webmaster the most trusted one is webmaster because he has something to gain. It makes him keeping a better behavior and avoid shitty stolen movies.

Thank you Megan. It took a woman to see through the bullshit and state it simply. Yes, Megan, if you ran into a video or photo of you that you did not want, it would be removed immediately.

In fact, I encourage anyone to search our site for something they think should not be there, and then let me know. I will have it dealt with as soon as I get it, and you know it.

I'm in Canada, and running a "user submitted content" site up here is a huge risk , because a single piece of CP sends you to jail. But since they can't get processing in Canada for porn, you would have to track back and see what company is running the website for money collection purposes and where that is located to get a better idea of the 2257 implications.

This link goes to a video posted by a WM named "BootyLoverdotinfo" with 146 uploads.
The video on this page, although it is not working at the moment, uses the following linking code: "http://www.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2F track.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F"
This link is clearly visible if you look at the videos description - there is Peter North right there in the 120x60 banner.
This user also has listed BrainCash as his sponsor for said content. I will not mention his BrainCash ID for privacy reasons.

I do believe I could take all of this data to BrainCash and pose the question about permission to them, where they can say to me YES or NO.

Awe!! Thank You!! That means a lot to me. :)

It's amazing how sometimes commonsense makes me appear to be a genius in this business LOL

xoxo,
Megan

This link goes to a video posted by a WM named "BootyLoverdotinfo" with 146 uploads.
The video on this page, although it is not working at the moment, uses the following linking code: "http://www.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrac k.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F"
This link is clearly visible if you look at the videos description - there is Peter North right there in the 120x60 banner.
This user also has listed BrainCash as his sponsor for said content. I will not mention his BrainCash ID for privacy reasons.

I do believe I could take all of this data to BrainCash and pose the question about permission to them, where they can say to me YES or NO.

Interesting thread, when we sent a DMCA to xtube awhile back they had one hell of a pissy attitude about it, good to see the attitude has changed.

Can you imagine if a tube site created a way for surfers to find the sponsor after watching the sponsors content rather than be confused from the bombardment of non related AFF ads and ads to other sponsor's programs.

Now add the torrent sites and the file upload sites, and it'll be quite a bit more work. Then factor in that new content gets added all the time in user uploads and shares - many things with no clear tags, so it can't be easily blocked or found.


Can't you understand that this is a big problem for many webmasters?

Sorry for the double post, the GFY site is really slow.

XTube does NOT want the stolen content. That is a ridiculous statement. We spend a lot of time and effort to make sure the stolen shit is not on our site.

I would LOVE to know the details surrounding this because I can locate exactly who dealt with you and I can take actions related to it.

Yeah right... I found the link, I had to scroll past the 20 or 30 cam ads down to the small area 1.5 screen down that describes the video to click on a small link.

In clear view with the video are two sets of etology ads, two sets of money tree cam ads, two other unrelated banners, your join link, and about 20 other things.

http://www.rawalex.com/peternorth.jpg

One link... far below the fold... below the "donate to this poster" link... proves exactly how important you think that link off is.

Yes, I do, and I have spent a lot of time today trying to explain how we handle it. I have also been trying to explain that the WMs you talk about are most often the same people uploading this stuff.

I just had a look at the system, and it seems as if several steps are taken to confirm legitimacy of ownership of the videos. It was actually quite a process, and I feel confident that if sponsors utilize tools like these to get their content seen, that we can all benefit.

This is nothing new...People have seeded p2p networks, newsgroups, etc. for ages with branded content. This is just a new tool that can be used to your advantage if you just choose to work with it instead of against it.

I <3 Megan. :2 cents:

I just had a look at the system, and it seems as if several steps are taken to confirm legitimacy of ownership of the videos. It was actually quite a process, and I feel confident that if sponsors utilize tools like these to get their content seen, that we can all benefit.

This is nothing new...People have seeded p2p networks, newsgroups, etc. for ages with branded content. This is just a new tool that can be used to your advantage if you just choose to work with it instead of against it.

But it should of never been uploaded in the first place. Its like one of those we will take care of it later deals . Also what type of screening procedure do you have in place before a user uploads a video? Also how do you compensate a webmaster who's videos has been uploaded with out there permission?

It really shouldn't be that difficult - ask for the documents, set up a dedicated fax machine, approve the video. No big deal.

Pretty much what i was going to say

You are right, and I agree with you, that there are too many ads that appear before the description of the video, but having said that - the description of the video uses the standard XTube look and feel, and within that is the 120x60 banner and link. No other ads use the XTube branded look and feel, and we feel that this improves the value of the 120x60 that appears there. It looks like XTube approves of the content rather than just anther ad.

Also, users of the site learn and adapt - they all know where to look when they want to get more of the content they are looking at, and the proof is in the repeat uploads from WMs. Why else would they continue to upload if there was poor RIO?

Ding Ding Ding .. we have a winner :thumbsup

P.S. thats my issue you too .. if you know it's stolen and especially if i tell you it is .. don't argue with me when i tell you to pull it down!

xoxo,
Megan

Good night everyone. I will review the posts following this in the morning.

Lance, there should be no other company's content on the page with that content.

from braincash's site:

The very essense of your site puts the affiliates in violation of the rules of the program. There is no way that an affiliate can post a video on your pages without breaking the rules of the game. They don't have the rights to do that, simple as that.

That happened with microsoft, we found a msn group that had close to 900 of our images. The DMCA was sent from a email with the sites domain, they made us write back with every url for every pic to get the group taken down. Bastards

Information wants to be free

Ok, so I took a closer look at XTube.

Very first video I look at is by this user:
http://www.xtube.com/user_videos.php?u=kameo20

I have no idea whether he's a webmaster or not, but none of the watermarked videos seem to have links going to sites by the programs owning the sites in the watermarks. Most videos seem to have been uploaded a full year ago and have thousands of views, so obviously, they're there to stay.

Somehow, I don't think users like this are an exception...